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Bust Rodd posted:No one has ever liked playing against UW ever in any format, that’s the point. I've had fun playing control mirrors in Modern tbh The nature of the game changes a bit but there's still an obvious point where you've lost the game.
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I'm not a huge fan of going against uw control, but it's kind of fun to try and run them out of counterspells and looking to control the graveyard so they can't get them back.
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Feb 8, 2020 17:50
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UW Sphinx Rev control with or without a win condition was great back then. But UB frownyards was still the best iteration of standard control in the past 15 years.
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Feb 8, 2020 17:55
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Paul Zuvella posted:Control in general is just really bad in Pioneer. But whats up izzet ensoul buddy. Whats your list? Basically stock but I’m still running two Royal Scions MD instead of the Lightning Strikes I see people running and my SB is completely hosed and like half counter magic and half gy hate because my meta is filled with soul flayer and Kethis.
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Feb 8, 2020 18:18
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Royal Scions seems like a no-brainer in the Ensoul deck. It does everything you want
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Feb 8, 2020 18:19
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It’s been very strong for me. I used to run it SB but I found myself bringing it in so much I rejiggered things a bit to put them main. I’ve yet to ever actually do anything with an Emry because she eats removal before she can I untap, but I suspect I’m going to be leaning on her a lot in matchups where people start bringing in Enchantment/Artifact removal post board.
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Feb 8, 2020 18:23
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I’m gonna buy this Ken Yukahiro Orzhov Pants deck and I’m gonna play Pioneer. EDIT: https://mtgdecks.net/Pioneer/sram-auras-decklist-by-ken-yukuhiro-923464 It’s this list, I already have most of it, and it’s insanely cheap. It’s literally $60 for 73/75 cards and the rest of the deck is 2 Thoughtseize in the board lol Does anyone else listen to the Masters of Modern? I’ve unsubbed since like a month ago, it seems like they have each gotten worse at magic and their takes are frequently nuclear level bad. Also from a listening standpoint their audio quality is inexcusably poor for two people doing it as long as they have. I know they just shuffled producers but it’s just terrible sound now. Bust Rodd fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Feb 8, 2020 |
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Feb 8, 2020 19:05
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Bust Rodd posted:No one has ever liked playing against UW ever in any format, that’s the point. If you don't think playing against a hard control deck is fun, it might be because you aren't engaging in the mind games of presenting threats to bait out removal to let your bigger threats go unopposed. Or maybe you just play bad decks with low-quality threats.
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Feb 8, 2020 21:36
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Bust Rodd posted:I’m gonna buy this Ken Yukahiro Orzhov Pants deck and I’m gonna play Pioneer. 25 bucks of that is a mana confluence apparently. Is this just playing masses of cheap auras to build a big board as quick as possible?
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Feb 8, 2020 21:40
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ilmucche posted:25 bucks of that is a mana confluence apparently. Is this just playing masses of cheap auras to build a big board as quick as possible? Yeah you have two “enchantresses” and surprising amount of reach. It took 2nd place and it seems like the perfect price point to buy into the format. At least this way I’ll have something to bring to FNM, every other Pioneer deck is like $500. Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:If you don't think playing against a hard control deck is fun, it might be because you aren't engaging in the mind games of presenting threats to bait out removal to let your bigger threats go unopposed. Lmao u are such a poser
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Feb 8, 2020 21:53
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:If you don't think playing against a hard control deck is fun, it might be because you aren't engaging in the mind games of presenting threats to bait out removal to let your bigger threats go unopposed. I mean, there's two kinds of Aggro vs Control matchups. The kind where you play a fun and interactive game of Magic where you play enough quality threats to make them dead in a hurry without putting all your eggs in one Wrathable basket and get to play a game of Resource Chicken against the control players, and the kind where after they resolve their first Wrath you'll never be allowed to untap with a threat on the board and the first turn you miss they refill their hand and the game is basically over. Over the last couple years Control matchups have started to lean far, far more on the other direction, even in Standard. (mostly thanks to the two Teferis.) The former is fun, the latter is a most miserable experience because the way you win is to end the game before they can reasonably interact with you and every turn from 4-on you're basically asking if they have it when they untap.
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Feb 8, 2020 22:21
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Actually every time control has been viable it's been because it's the latter. See sphinx rev control, which was literally already mentioned and did exactly that and also the wrath couldn't be countered
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Feb 8, 2020 22:31
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If Control is good it's always obnoxious to play against, but I guess that's kind of the point.
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Feb 8, 2020 23:23
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Bust Rodd posted:Yeah you have two “enchantresses” and surprising amount of reach. It took 2nd place and it seems like the perfect price point to buy into the format. At least this way I’ll have something to bring to FNM, every other Pioneer deck is like $500. Didn’t you just make a thread whining because you managed to autoban yourself?
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Feb 8, 2020 23:38
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TheKingofSprings posted:Didn’t you just make a thread whining because you managed to autoban yourself? Turds Bod
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Feb 8, 2020 23:46
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Bust Rodd posted:Lmao u are such a poser Sord but!
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Feb 8, 2020 23:52
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The only reason why UW sucks to play is the mirror
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Feb 9, 2020 00:50
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fadam posted:If Control is good it's always obnoxious to play against, but I guess that's kind of the point. Turns out standard is actually a lot worse when you don’t have it, sooo... ...Necessary evil?
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Feb 9, 2020 01:21
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As fun as Inevitable End seems to look, how is it working out in draft?
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Feb 9, 2020 02:04
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Dr. Red Ranger posted:As fun as Inevitable End seems to look, how is it working out in draft? usually gets what you want, unless the board is extremely bogged down or they're cranking out tokens. don't rely on it as your only removal and be prepared to side it out, but it's good 80%+ of the time.
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Feb 9, 2020 02:13
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Dr. Red Ranger posted:As fun as Inevitable End seems to look, how is it working out in draft? How "fun" do you normally expect 3-mana removal spells to look? Because that's what it is, a 3-mana removal spell with downside (it doesn't answer their voltron-ed up beater if they have a bunch of other dorky creatures out). It triggers your enchantment synergies though! It's fine, but mostly worse than Drag to the Underworld if you're in black.
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Feb 9, 2020 02:14
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Dr. Red Ranger posted:As fun as Inevitable End seems to look, how is it working out in draft? Unless they have good token generation for me its sorcery speed removal with potential upside. I find I put it on the biggest threat and the other stuff they could sack is small enough to hold back or destroy with combat anyway. Hey if you put it on a God would it fall off if it de-gods?
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I'm famous: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mtgo-standings/legacy-league-2020-02-08#neaden_-  The deck and the white splash felt really nice, I think Infect is well positioned in the meta right now. Maindeck OKO seems strong, it didn't come up much but having a MD answer to artifacts feels really good. I played Breach twice and won both times, it seems like a favorable match up, more so then TES or ANT, but that could just be because people are still getting used to how to play it. Overall Legacy feels like it is in a good place meta wise right now. I don't think it needs any bans right now. I don't like how much astrolabe promotes 4 color control decks running B2Bs but so long as the RL is in place I think it serves a valuable purpose.
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About how it looks. It rarely kills what you want it to- if you put it on a bomb they feed their chaff to it, you throw it on something else they just sac what you put it on to get rid of it. I've seen a cute play putting on something of your own with a heavy sac matters board (most notable, a hateful eidolon and multiple Blood Aspirants) and something providing enough chaff, but that has to almost always be wrong. It can do some work on a clogged board where their bomb is holding the line but it's still far more likely to kill something that doesn't matter regardless of target. It's worse then most of the common removal far more often then it's a slow sweeper, unless your opponent makes some surprising misplays.
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Owlbear Camus posted:Unless they have good token generation for me its sorcery speed removal with potential upside. yeah, because the god is no longer a creature
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Feb 9, 2020 02:23
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Today I beat Tom Ross to make day 2 at the GP AMA including "how are you so good at magic, Shane?"
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Dr. Red Ranger posted:As fun as Inevitable End seems to look, how is it working out in draft? It is functional removal that triggers enchantment synergy. Unless you're facing a sacrifice orientated deck it tends to get what you want, since most players who aren't sure they can clear it during their mainphase don't want to get 2+-for-1d. Doesn't deal with gods except in the extreme corner cases.
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ShaneB posted:Today I beat Tom Ross to make day 2 at the GP AMA including "how are you so good at magic, Shane?" Nice - is that the first day 2 for the dive down squad in modern / pioneer? What deck are you playing?
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ShaneB posted:Today I beat Tom Ross to make day 2 at the GP AMA including "how are you so good at magic, Shane?" Which do you think is more important, hard work or sticktoitiveness?
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ShaneB posted:Today I beat Tom Ross to make day 2 at the GP AMA including "how are you so good at magic, Shane?" What percentage would you say that you were Out There Giving It, exactly?
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ShaneB posted:Today I beat Tom Ross to make day 2 at the GP AMA including "how are you so good at magic, Shane?" peeking at the top card after you take a mulligan, y/n?
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ShaneB posted:Today I beat Tom Ross to make day 2 at the GP AMA including "how are you so good at magic, Shane?" Did you namedrop the pod y/n
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Mr. Locke posted:I mean, there's two kinds of Aggro vs Control matchups. The kind where you play a fun and interactive game of Magic where you play enough quality threats to make them dead in a hurry without putting all your eggs in one Wrathable basket and get to play a game of Resource Chicken against the control players, and the kind where after they resolve their first Wrath you'll never be allowed to untap with a threat on the board and the first turn you miss they refill their hand and the game is basically over. Over the last couple years Control matchups have started to lean far, far more on the other direction, even in Standard. (mostly thanks to the two Teferis.) I wouldn't know about the ones in Standard. I just know complaining about WU control dates back to 1996 and The Deck and it's always the same. Your description even sounds like good and bad reactions to the exact same list!
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ShaneB posted:Today I beat Tom Ross to make day 2 at the GP AMA including "how are you so good at magic, Shane?" did you ask him after your your rear end tastes
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Dehtraen posted:Nice - is that the first day 2 for the dive down squad in modern / pioneer? What deck are you playing? In Modern or Pio, yeah. Dave has made a day 2 at least once before in limited. We almost made day 2 at a team sealed event a few years ago but lost in turns r8. I'm on Mono-Red kinda aggro. No abbots but no glorybringers. LeafHouse posted:Which do you think is more important, hard work or sticktoitiveness? Neither. Luck and general knowledge of role assignment. sit on my Facebook posted:What percentage would you say that you were Out There Giving It, exactly? 69% little munchkin posted:peeking at the top card after you take a mulligan, y/n? Never. Ever. C-Euro posted:Did you namedrop the pod y/n He was very serious and quiet so wasn't giving me the idea he was interested in My Personal Brand. GoutPatrol posted:did you ask him after your your rear end tastes Forgot to.
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Dream trawler is the worst thing in this set in limited by a mile, there’s no reason that shouldn’t be mythic That said, been enjoying drafts on arena, feels pretty varied even with the bot picks Squinky v2.0 fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Feb 9, 2020 |
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Feb 9, 2020 06:38
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ShaneB posted:
on a scale of 1-10 how jazzed are you that bant spirits is a tier deck in a format again?
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Mezzanon posted:on a scale of 1-10 how jazzed are you that bant spirits is a tier deck in a format again? It's probably the deck I would have ran if I had more prep time so 6.9/10
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Mezzanon posted:on a scale of 1-10 how jazzed are you that bant spirits is a tier deck in a format again? ngl I'm like a little less excited to play it now that it's popular but the deck still kicks rear end, and I'm glad that it's getting away from running 3+ Brazen Borrower!
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Squinky v2.0 posted:Dream trawler is the worst thing in this set in limited by a mile, there’s no reason that shouldn’t be mythic The LR guys often talk about the "mythic uncommon" (ie. The uncommon that is way above average uncommon power levelof each set, like risen reef, I think), I suppose that dream trawler is the "mythic rare" of the set. 
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