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Guavanaut posted:Only three people have ever really understood the Schleswig-Holstein business; the Prince Consort, who is dead, a German professor, who has gone mad, and someone who probably posts ITT. It's cows all the way down OP.
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Guavanaut posted:Only three people have ever really understood the Schleswig-Holstein business; the Prince Consort, who is dead, a German professor, who has gone mad, and someone who probably posts ITT.
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Feb 9, 2020 15:59
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It's System Metternich and he's preparing a 100,000-word post/thesis on the subject as we speak
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Feb 9, 2020 16:01
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What is Schleswig-Holstein? We just don't know
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Toplowtech posted:It's really nice of you to leave Lothringen out of it. Only because I didn't remember its german name. I'd probably do better than most Americans, but I'd also end up mostly drawing wildly out of date and overly simplified maps because everything I know about germany's internal divisions comes from paradox games and lps.
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I wonder if anyone's ever tried to contest Germany's Protestant status.
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Phlegmish posted:It's System Metternich and he's preparing a 100,000-word post/thesis on the subject as we speak I once dated a girl from Schleswig-Holstein which makes me basically an expert, don’t tempt me
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System Metternich posted:I once dated a girl from Schleswig-Holstein which makes me basically an expert, don’t tempt me The username/post combo game would be intense, though.
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Feb 9, 2020 20:44
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Anglicanism is Catholic but not Roman.
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Orange Devil posted:I wonder if anyone's ever tried to contest Germany's Protestant status.
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Feb 9, 2020 21:01
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I like how there's Eastern Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy. Not, like, North and South, no, Eastern and Oriental. I also like how Saudi Arabia is Catholic. I'm pretty sure you get automatically sentenced to death if you're both Arab and Christian in that country.
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I think the Catholics in Saudi Arabia are primarily Filipinos working in the country (over a million according to a quick internet search). But yeah, no being a Saudi who wants to convert to Christianity or anything else accept from the state's approved version of Islam, because that is legally punishable by death.
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Cat Mattress posted:I like how there's Eastern Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy. Not, like, North and South, no, Eastern and Oriental. Mostly cause the Oriental Orthodox church broke off first - it was the Nestorians, mostly, who split off largely because they were the Christians in Persia and further east who didn't want to be seen as loyal to the Empire. Then the Empire itself split in half and partially collapsed, and the garbled mess followed by a bunch of barely literate inbred dirtbags started calling the true faith "East".
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Feb 9, 2020 21:26
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:India actually surprises me. M-maybe it's a Mother Theresa effect?
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Feb 9, 2020 21:55
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Most Indian Christians are Goan.
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Orange Devil posted:I wonder if anyone's ever tried to contest Germany's Protestant status. Pretty sure that question was decisively settled in 1866.
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Feb 9, 2020 22:14
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Cat Mattress posted:I like how there's Eastern Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy. Not, like, North and South, no, Eastern and Oriental. Sounds Catholic.
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Guavanaut posted:Most Indian Christians are Goan. There’s also a ton of Catholics in southern India (mostly Kerala), and I’ve heard that Catholicism is growing like crazy in Assam. Compared to the total population the combined Christian faiths are still very much in the minority, though
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Feb 9, 2020 22:26
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That's a weird orthodoxy orb around Qatar.
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Feb 9, 2020 22:51
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Guavanaut posted:Most Indian Christians are Goan. What about Kerala and the North-eastern states?
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Feb 9, 2020 23:27
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Okay, most Indian Christians are Christian because of Portuguese influence in India, including the Portuguese settlements of Goa and Calicut, rather than because of British influence, which is why it's colored as yellow rather than blue. Even though there are Anglican dioceses throughout India they didn't seem to really bother compared to Portugal.
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Switzerland, famously a uniform Protestant country. Also what’s up with Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox being different? Aren’t they both literally synonyms, and also technically still part of the same church? I’m pretty sure the Copts can still take communion in Ethiopia and Moscow. Greece and Turkey being different colors makes no sense either. The Eastern Orthodox patriarchate is in Istanbul. Map needs a lot more "mixed color" notes and a "NA/irrelevant" coloration. Saladman fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Feb 10, 2020 |
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I'm pretty sure they all got kicked out over one of the ecumenical councils over an argument about the nature of christ. Recently the Russian Patriarchate broke communion with the rest of Greek Orthodox over them allowing Ukraine to be autonomous from Moscow, so there's even more of a split. Then again, all of protestantism is just a series of totally disunited sects with no commonalities beyond having broken away from catholicism at some point in the past, so all of those blue spots should be patchwork.
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Saladman posted:Switzerland, famously a uniform Protestant country. Oriental Orthodox churches are not in communion with Eastern Orthodox churches. The Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, and most Protestants believe that Jesus is of two natures, a divine nature and a human nature. Oriental Orthodox Churches believe that the divine nature and the human nature of Jesus are one. If this seems like kind of a trifling distinction that shouldn't make any difference at all for 99.9% of Christians and largely an excuse for 1500 year old political machinations, then let me be the first to welcome you to the world of Christology.
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if this map is going to include anabaptists it should really have Mormons, who significantly out number them. Or are they not christian enough for its author, I wonder? LIke according to wikipedia there's only about 4 million Anabaptists in the world. By comparison, there are like 15 million Mormons, and 8 million Jehovah's Witnesses. I think Mormons are obviously different enough from mainstream Protestantism to be distinguished from mainstream Protestantism.
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Squalid posted:if this map is going to include anabaptists it should really have Mormons, who significantly out number them. Or are they not christian enough for its author, I wonder? If you're going down list you could also technically include Rastafarians as well.
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Squalid posted:if this map is going to include anabaptists it should really have Mormons, who significantly out number them. Or are they not christian enough for its author, I wonder? Compared to the Anabaptists, I think the answer is pretty clearly: no.
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Squalid posted:if this map is going to include anabaptists it should really have Mormons, who significantly out number them. Or are they not christian enough for its author, I wonder? I think if you're including Mormons you also have to include Muslims and that's a can of worms no one wants.
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Feb 10, 2020 08:26
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I’m not clear on what the schism in the Eastern Orthodox Church between the eleventh and sixteenth centuries was about.
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Whether you could be cool with the Roman pope. There were a couple attempts to reconcile local Orthodox churches with Rome because the foreign rulers of those places were Roman Catholic.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Platystemon posted:I’m not clear on what the schism in the Eastern Orthodox Church between the eleventh and sixteenth centuries was about. Byzantium collapsing and the West demanding submission to their heresy in exchange for crusades.
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And to this day many (most?) Eastern Churches have a Catholic counterpart. Those Eastern Catholic communities have got an independent hierarchy, a membership separate from western Rite Catholics, mirror whatever liturgy their Orthodox counterparts have and basically the only difference is that they recognise the authority of the Pope. They used to be pretty "latinised", but during the 20th century there were substantial efforts both by Rome and by the local communities to rediscover their Eastern roots. Some of the Eastern Catholic Churches are tiny (I think the Greek Catholic one has got only like 20,000 members iirc), while others are much bigger. None of them exceeds a few million members though, afaik, so in comparison to the ~1.3 billion Catholics worldwide they are only a very small part.
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The Maronites are by far the largest Eastern Rite Catholic Church, with about three and a half million followers. They've been in full communion with Rome since the Crusades.
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Mormonism is basically just Proto-Scientology in that it's very transparently a scam by a conman. Also both have a bunch of sci-fi weirdness.
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Dommolus Magnus posted:Pretty sure that question was decisively settled in 1866. Inside Germany, 1648 is still the one that counts. Fuckin' Prussians. Btw. 23 million Catholics and 21 million Protestants in Germany, so the map is definitely wrong. Fuckin' Prussians.
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System Metternich posted:(I think the Greek Catholic one has got only like 20,000 members iirc) Catholics in Greece are mostly in a few islands, like Syros and Tinos.
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System Metternich posted:And to this day many (most?) Eastern Churches have a Catholic counterpart. Those Eastern Catholic communities have got an independent hierarchy, a membership separate from western Rite Catholics, mirror whatever liturgy their Orthodox counterparts have and basically the only difference is that they recognise the authority of the Pope. They used to be pretty "latinised", but during the 20th century there were substantial efforts both by Rome and by the local communities to rediscover their Eastern roots. Some of the Eastern Catholic Churches are tiny (I think the Greek Catholic one has got only like 20,000 members iirc), while others are much bigger. None of them exceeds a few million members though, afaik, so in comparison to the ~1.3 billion Catholics worldwide they are only a very small part. The Uniate churches are pretty important to Polish, Russian and Ukrainian history though
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