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Everything about that episode feels like Linehan's the only one on the team who 'gets' the 'haha trans people' joke. Meanwhile, everyone else writing, acting and shooting the thing sees completely different (better) jokes, and are playing those up instead. I feel like Matt Berry definitely thought the joke was how poo poo Douglas was being. The people setting up the fight scene just wanted to make a big, dumb, hilarious fight scene.
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BrigadierSensible posted:Indeed. I first saw that episode long before I was aware of Linehan's transphobia and misogyny. Likewise I saw it before his Views became public, but even then I had a moment where I felt uncomfortable that the joke was a woman getting repeatedly and violently punched in the face and it went downhill from that point. Not least because violence wasn't a part of his usual humour (Bottom could have gotten away with it) so the only time when it was really used was against a woman, which made it feel really distasteful. Finding out his views now makes watching that episode pretty much impossible to watch. But I do agree with BioEnchanted, BrigadierSensible & Cleretic that it could have been quite a funny and sweet episode if they just cut all the subpar fighting scenes out. Then the following episodes included making fun of people with disabilities with their eyes and Roy being sexually assaulted and everyone mocking him for it and I began to suspect that Linehan may not be a very nice man.
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Yeah, thankfully the acting elevates most of those scenes (Roy being visibly uncomfortable and shaken while standing up for the integrity of his sweet meats, Renholm fighting a cartoonish brawl). But gently caress if it isn't excruciating rewatching them knowing the creator is a massive pile of poo poo.
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Feb 7, 2020 17:34
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There's also the episode Are We Not Men?, Which was uncomfortable for the entire running length. Edit: or whatever the "aunt Irma" episode was.
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Shut up Meg posted:Then the following episodes included making fun of people with disabilities with their eyes and Roy being sexually assaulted and everyone mocking him for it and I began to suspect that Linehan may not be a very nice man. I'm so glad the "men being assaulted = funny" trope is dying. Wedding Crashers had a straight up rape scene that was played for laughs. Even an early Bob's Burgers has Gail molesting Bob, and Linda just laughing about it and telling him to man up. I love Bob's Burgers, but uugghh.
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Feb 7, 2020 18:40
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I'm trying to remember what that one romantic comedy was where the main character is assaulted by his ex while unconscious and the emotional climax of the movie was him apologizing to his current girlfriend for it.
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Glagha posted:I'm trying to remember what that one romantic comedy was where the main character is assaulted by his ex while unconscious and the emotional climax of the movie was him apologizing to his current girlfriend for it. Forty days, forty nights or something like that? The one where the guy gave up sex/masturbation for lent.
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Neito posted:There's also the episode Are We Not Men?, Which was uncomfortable for the entire running length. Aunt Irma Visits is episode six of season one. Are We Not Men? is episode two of season three and is the one where Roy and Moss use a "translator" to pass as tough manly men who like football and end up involved in a bank robbery. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_IT_Crowd_episodes
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hyperhazard posted:I'm so glad the "men being assaulted = funny" trope is dying. Wedding Crashers had a straight up rape scene that was played for laughs. Even an early Bob's Burgers has Gail molesting Bob, and Linda just laughing about it and telling him to man up. I love Bob's Burgers, but uugghh. This is why I could never get into Love Hina because half of the jokes are just the same dude getting the poo poo kicked out of him for no reason.
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:This is why I could never get into Love Hina because half of the jokes are just the same dude getting the poo poo kicked out of him for no reason. For that reason? The whole genre is basically about incredibly boring average young men (or occasionally just standard shonen protagonists) with the emotional acuity of a brick who are inexplicably surrounded by attractive women catering to various fetishes and brain problems who are all inexplicably attracted to him, despite their first interactions usually consisting of contrived coincidences that appear to be sexual harassment, but express it almost entirely through abuse and manipulation and nobody is ever able to actually ask anyone out on a date I know the point is to appeal to generations of young men who feel they have literally no agency in their lives and are physically incapable of talking to women but still Also there's usually more genuine chemistry between the women (or sometimes men) than with any heterosexual pairing in the show
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Forty days, forty nights or something like that? The one where the guy gave up sex/masturbation for lent. That's the one. It serves the double-dose of yick that is "raping men is funny" and "all guys have to do to make a woman throw her knickers at the wall is say they don't want sex".
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All I remember about Love Hina was the one girl being obsessed about a promise she made to a boy when they were like 5? Also I think there was a samurai girl?
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Len posted:All I remember about Love Hina was the one girl being obsessed about a promise she made to a boy when they were like 5? That was the guy.
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Neito posted:That was the guy. I couldn't remember if it actually was him or if it was wacky anime misunderstanding and it turned out it wasn't actually him
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Len posted:I couldn't remember if it actually was him or if it was wacky anime misunderstanding and it turned out it wasn't actually him The big-tiddy narcoleptic girl showed up as a possible rival but IT TURNS OUT Keitaro, Naruswgawa and Tiddygal were ALL playing in the sandbox and Keitaro did actually promise to Narusegawa. There was indeed a samurai girl and a magical Egyptian girl who turned into a 20 year old under the cursed blood moon or something. I din't get the whole "childhood friend fated to be a lover" thing in Japan but I guess it's a thing outside of major metropolitan areas? Like High School Sweethearts or something? FilthyImp has a new favorite as of 18:06 on Feb 8, 2020 |
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Jedit posted:That's the one. It serves the double-dose of yick that is "raping men is funny" and "all guys have to do to make a woman throw her knickers at the wall is say they don't want sex". If you look like Josh Hartnett, yeah
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Feb 8, 2020 18:21
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FilthyImp posted:
Remember that arranged marriage is still very common there.
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it's not like it's completely foreign to white north american culture either.... anne of green gables series is FULL of it
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InediblePenguin posted:it's not like it's completely foreign to white north american culture either.... anne of green gables series is FULL of it That also takes place in 19th century though doesn't it?
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hyperhazard posted:I'm so glad the "men being assaulted = funny" trope is dying. Wedding Crashers had a straight up rape scene that was played for laughs. What's also hosed up about that rape scene is how afterwards Vince Vaughn outright calls it a "midnight rape" and claims he feels like "Jodie Foster in The Accused" yet he delivers the line as if he's just mildly annoyed at the incident. Minimization of the seriousness of sexual assault of men AND women! I'm ashamed that I loved that movie when I came out. Past me was (even more of an) idiot. And yet, it says a lot about the current state of comedy film that rape aside, it's definitely better than most comedy movies these days.
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Feb 8, 2020 21:44
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I'm onto season 6 of The Office and the christmas episode has a line that's aged badly, namely Michael referring to Phyllis's Santa as Tranny-Claus. Just a bit too mean for Michael's usual character.
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Feb 8, 2020 23:03
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Trans jokes were the go-to for a while in that period where people realised it wasn't socially acceptable to make gay jokes any more, but still wanted to make them.
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I'm surprised that The Office is such a popular show with gen z. It was a good show and all, but it's slice of life that's very distinctly mid-to-late-2000s. The first season, Pam and her fiance have like a 2 or 3 year engagement that's supposed to be seen as super long and weird. Oscar comes out in the second? third? season and it ends with him kissing Michael while everyone gasps in horror. There's an episode about sexism in the workplace where Phyllis says that she's "not a feminist or anything" and everyone just kind of nods along. I'm sure there are bigger things, but I just started re-watching lately and if these things seem weird to me, they must seem weird to teenagers too.
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hyperhazard posted:I'm surprised that The Office is such a popular show with gen z. It was a good show and all, but it's slice of life that's very distinctly mid-to-late-2000s. The first season, Pam and her fiance have like a 2 or 3 year engagement that's supposed to be seen as super long and weird. Oscar comes out in the second? third? season and it ends with him kissing Michael while everyone gasps in horror. There's an episode about sexism in the workplace where Phyllis says that she's "not a feminist or anything" and everyone just kind of nods along. To be fair on the Oscar thing, the shock isn't Oscar kissing Michael it's that Michael's trying to force himself on Oscar to show how inclusive he is and everyone's like "Dude, don't sexually assault Oscar, STOP!"
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El Gallinero Gros posted:That also takes place in 19th century though doesn't it?
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lmao at the idea of "the girl next door" is some alien, inscrutable trope of the far nippon
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Alaois posted:lmao at the idea of "the girl next door" is some alien, inscrutable trope of the far nippon I guess with increasingly atomized lifestyles it's hard to think that "I knew you in elementary, lets get married" still carries any weight. But yeah I admit this is a blind spot of mine.
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Alaois posted:lmao at the idea of "the girl next door" is some alien, inscrutable trope of the far nippon god im glad i'm not the only one fuckin sozzed by this discussion tbh it's such a thing i don't know how to explain a pond to a fish? i just thought of anne of green gables, a relatively obscure example, first bc netflix is trying real real hard to get me to watch it every time i go look at the witcher
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hyperhazard posted:I'm surprised that The Office is such a popular show with gen z. It was a good show and all, but it's slice of life that's very distinctly mid-to-late-2000s. The first season, Pam and her fiance have like a 2 or 3 year engagement that's supposed to be seen as super long and weird. Oscar comes out in the second? third? season and it ends with him kissing Michael while everyone gasps in horror. There's an episode about sexism in the workplace where Phyllis says that she's "not a feminist or anything" and everyone just kind of nods along. It’s a comfort thing. Takes you back when times were simpler and not so hard. Men nodded politely to each other and took off their hats when a lady entered the room. You knew your neighbors by name and could leave your doors unlocked because they’d be watching out for you while you were gone and knew you’d do the same for them. Grandmas Apple pie cooling on the windowsill and at the end of the day, when you knew you’d done the best you could for that day and were at peace, well you and the missis and the littleuns would sit together as a family and taken pleasure in each other’s company. That’s The Office for you and for so many others who think back to those years and wish they were still here. (Jim looks into the camera like a goddamn moron)
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hyperhazard posted:very distinctly mid-to-late-2000s. It was? If it came out this year the only thing i could see not being there would be the Kevin is retarded joke but apart from that any time someone was lovely they where clearly the rear end in a top hat in the setting and it usually had reactions. Idunno, i just dont see the office being problematic for todays teenagers. But its been a while so im probably forgetting stuff. datajugend has a new favorite as of 05:47 on Feb 9, 2020 |
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Toshimo posted:Remember that arranged marriage is still very common there. It exists, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it's common. Though also marriage generally seems to be on the decline there.
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That's because nobody has time for socialization because they're working themselves to death.
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Alaois posted:lmao at the idea of "the girl next door" is some alien, inscrutable trope of the far nippon Goons discussing anime is something else.
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FilthyImp posted:Dawson's Creek was an anime, right? If anything it's even stronger because that was the last time a lot of alienated and socially dysfunctional young men remember a girl being nice to them.
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One thing about the Office that I did like, this bit of great mimicry from Rainn Wilson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maexfZEnEvg
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lemonadesweetheart posted:What's the other possible meaning of that joke? We were shown that scene in history class to give us an idea of the influence of the Roman Empire
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Kwyndig posted:That's because nobody has time for socialization because they're working themselves to death. I thought the whole salaryman who works himself to death thing was on decline as well?
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I thought the whole salaryman who works himself to death thing was on decline as well? That’s because all the ones who did it have died
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oldpainless posted:It’s a comfort thing. Takes you back when times were simpler and not so hard. Men nodded politely to each other and took off their hats when a lady entered the room. You knew your neighbors by name and could leave your doors unlocked because they’d be watching out for you while you were gone and knew you’d do the same for them. Grandmas Apple pie cooling on the windowsill and at the end of the day, when you knew you’d done the best you could for that day and were at peace, well you and the missis and the littleuns would sit together as a family and taken pleasure in each other’s company. That’s The Office for you and for so many others who think back to those years and wish they were still here. Why are you wearing a hat indoors?
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sassassin posted:Why are you wearing a hat indoors? Cause he’s a goddamned incel who doesn’t know anything about history or etiquette but thinks that wearing a fedora gives him “swag”
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