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I’m watching the same work friends who were being passive aggressive about SF in this election saying that now saying that the people who voted for SF are delusional, and if they wanted real left progression they should have voted for Labour. (In between lots of comments about how we need to be “realistic on how we costs free services” Which seems to me be another way of saying “I only want to help people, as long as my standard of living is not in any way effected.”) I think the message should be, this election saw a huge surge in support for left ideas. So why could Labour not capitalise on that?
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Feb 9, 2020 16:34
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Wait, Sinn Fein will be in on negotiating with Boris about Brexit trade deals? lol
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Feb 9, 2020 16:39
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The Question IRL posted:I’m watching the same work friends who were being passive aggressive about SF in this election saying that now saying that the people who voted for SF are delusional, and if they wanted real left progression they should have voted for Labour. (In between lots of comments about how we need to be “realistic on how we costs free services” Which seems to me be another way of saying “I only want to help people, as long as my standard of living is not in any way effected.”) Still being punished for 2011 and Howlin is a complete void of personality.
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Feb 9, 2020 16:47
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The Question IRL posted:I think the message should be, this election saw a huge surge in support for left ideas. So why could Labour not capitalise on that?  Seriously though, Labour couldn't even manage to vote against appealing the €13 billion Apple tax judgement, that's right, they voted in favour of a 0.005% tax rate for the richest company in the world.
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Feb 9, 2020 16:56
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https://twitter.com/EoinBearla/status/1226537161639518208?s=19 Martin not sounding quite as strident as before Also https://twitter.com/fiachkelly/status/1226525013790031872?s=19 kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Feb 9, 2020 |
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Feb 9, 2020 17:12
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Also SF's candidate startegy might be hurting them less than expected - they deffo are missing out on cashing in big surges in some seats they already hold to double their reps there but their swing is a lot more nationally uniform than most people expected, some projections putting them at 36 seats
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Feb 9, 2020 17:21
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Standish posted:You answered your own question Oh I'm not seeking an answer to the question. I'm saying that it should be one of the questions people ask in the aftermath of this election instead of "don't people know that SF aren't great? Why can't the Irish people just vote for the Center Right again?[/quote] quote:Seriously though, Labour couldn't even manage to vote against appealing the €13 billion Apple tax judgement, that's right, they voted in favour of a 0.005% tax rate for the richest company in the world. In fairness to them, from a legal perspective, I understood why the government was appealing the Apple judgement, and I think it was the right decision. Apple and other MNC's do enjoy a ridiculously low tax rate, but the metrics that the Court used to come up with that figure were nonsense and ignored the fact that many other European members are allowed use similar business practices to attract MNC's to their countries. It looked like they court had come to a predetermined decision (Apple needed to pay tax.) and they came up with a justification after the fact. And not that the evidence pointed towards this conclusion.
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Feb 9, 2020 17:42
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Michael Lowry tops the polls in Tipperary AGAIN with a surplus but SF coming second with a pretty heavy downswing for FF
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Feb 9, 2020 20:19
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https://twitter.com/AineMcMahon/status/1226595574268514306?s=20 honestly so sad right now. alexa play aphex twin - windowlicker e: lmao at the Brexit/Kipper accounts who are crowing because they think Leo won't get his seat and their tiny gammon minds cannot handle STV e2: https://twitter.com/richiem42/status/1226580145743507457?s=20 Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Feb 9, 2020 |
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Feb 9, 2020 21:05
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https://twitter.com/Oireachtas_RX/status/1226616409599434760?s=20 sic transit gloria
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Feb 9, 2020 22:20
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It took Alan Shatter five counts to get elected when FG had their huge bounce back in 2009. I wonder if this is an indication that the knives will come out for Leo.
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Feb 9, 2020 22:23
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Failed Imagineer posted:https://twitter.com/Oireachtas_RX/status/1226616409599434760?s=20 I fuckin LOVE it
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Feb 9, 2020 22:27
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Last place leo lol.
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Feb 9, 2020 22:29
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The absolute state of Dublin-bay South, though. My drat landlord voted for Eoghan Murphy
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Feb 9, 2020 22:38
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Danny Healey Rae being re-elected. And see what his response is. https://twitter.com/cleomurphy64/status/1226579760568000516?s=19
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Feb 9, 2020 22:53
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The Question IRL posted:Danny Healey Rae being re-elected. And see what his response is. loving mutant.
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Feb 9, 2020 23:00
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Dún Laoghaire might be turning into a bad seat for FG - Richard Boyd Barrett going over the quota by 4k votes after the SF candidate was eliminated means Sol-PBP and the Greens have secured two of the available 4 seats. Only 2 FG candidates and one FF left in the running but FF are edging out the second FG candidate by 20 votes - if the downward surplus transfer from Barrett (which came from SF) favours FF over FG could mean they get squeezed to a single seat here, where they previously won 3. Would be a pretty big embarrassment
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Feb 9, 2020 23:00
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it me, the people who not live on the planet.
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Feb 9, 2020 23:00
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Doing some brief glancing looks like the SocDem's are competitive for five seats - on track to hold one in Dublin North West, Kildare North and very well placed in Wicklow, Dublin Bay North and Dublin Central (the once and future Gannon) to harvest left transfers
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Feb 9, 2020 23:11
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Shoehead posted:The absolute state of Dublin-bay South, though. My drat landlord voted for Eoghan Murphy I mean...of loving course they did
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Feb 9, 2020 23:23
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Sad to see Ruth Coppinger lose her seat - she was a good one However, Goodybe Joan Burton
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Feb 9, 2020 23:25
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Starting to see counting getting adjourned until the morning but finally have the final first count declaration in so final vote share figures confirmed
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Feb 9, 2020 23:49
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kustomkarkommando posted:Starting to see counting getting adjourned until the morning but finally have the final first count declaration in so final vote share figures confirmed lookit that swing
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Feb 9, 2020 23:52
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Historically good result for SF yeah?
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Feb 9, 2020 23:54
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OwlFancier posted:Historically good result for SF yeah? Yeah
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Feb 9, 2020 23:57
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OwlFancier posted:Historically good result for SF yeah? Yeah - They only got less than 3% consistently before 2002 and only crossed over 10% at the last election in 2016 so massive increase
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Feb 9, 2020 23:58
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on a somewhat related note, gerry adams definitely ordered some killings back in the day right
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Feb 9, 2020 23:58
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kustomkarkommando posted:Yeah - They only got less than 3% consistently before 2002 and only crossed over 10% at the last election in 2016 so massive increase Was there a historic period where they did better or have they always been very small in the republic? Also it's slightly funny seeing people (presumably Irish) on twitter fretting about "the party of the IRA" winning so many votes.
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Feb 10, 2020 00:01
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V. Illych L. posted:on a somewhat related note, gerry adams definitely ordered some killings back in the day right Allegedly... Like how he was "allegedly" an enforcer for the IRA and tortured people... (Please do not kill me Sinn Fein Overlords)
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Feb 10, 2020 00:02
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V. Illych L. posted:on a somewhat related note, gerry adams definitely ordered some killings back in the day right
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Feb 10, 2020 00:10
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OwlFancier posted:Was there a historic period where they did better or have they always been very small in the republic? Not since the 20s and it was a different party back then.
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OwlFancier posted:Was there a historic period where they did better or have they always been very small in the republic? Depending on what you mean by Sinn Fein of course. In 1918 they won almost all the seats! But the current party didn't run candidates for the Dail until the 1980s and didn't win their first TD until 1997.
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Feb 10, 2020 00:17
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Yeah wikipedia has given me the impression that it is Complicated.
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V. Illych L. posted:on a somewhat related note, gerry adams definitely ordered some killings back in the day right Possibly. There is rumors he was insulated from that as the SF/public face of the IRA. I wonder how much of him stepping aside as leader helped boost SF. His past was always an easy target for the media. Last election the PSNI arrested him over a Troubles murder which he had said he would come in for questioning if ever requested. The media still tried hit Mary Lou with as much IRA dirt as they could, but the best connection they could link was that she is a puppet of shadowy IRA figures in the background.
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The Question IRL posted:It took Alan Shatter five counts to get elected when FG had their huge bounce back in 2009. I wonder if this is an indication that the knives will come out for Leo. Mortifying. First sitting Taoiseach not to win his seat back on first count apparently
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He definitely ordered killings lads
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Asking as a stupid American: how many candidates "should" Sinn Fein have run, accounting for the fact that polls didn't seem to have them in the "Oh gently caress we might have a chance" zone until last week?
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SporkOfTruth posted:Asking as a stupid American: how many candidates "should" Sinn Fein have run, accounting for the fact that polls didn't seem to have them in the "Oh gently caress we might have a chance" zone until last week? I think the conventional wisdom is about 5-6 more TD's in certain constituencies where they did well and they might have been the largest party. That being said, it could have backfired. As they may well have had some media unsavory candidates who could have scuppered it, and they risked splitting the vote in such a way they could have ended up with less.
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SporkOfTruth posted:Asking as a stupid American: how many candidates "should" Sinn Fein have run, accounting for the fact that polls didn't seem to have them in the "Oh gently caress we might have a chance" zone until last week? I mean they probably fielded enough candidates based on a modest bump, but via their performance now they are probably about 7 candidates shy Standouts where they only fielded one candidate but pulled huge numbers: Waterford where they got 20,569 votes with a quota of 10,752 Dublin Bay North where they got 21,344 to a quota of 11,935 Dublin South West where they got 20,077 votes with a quota of 11,261 Dublin Central where they got 11,223 votes with a quota of 6,288 Dublin South Central where they got 17,015 with a quota of 8,659 Dublin North West where they got 14,375 to a quota of 8,097 These are all incumbents as well so they didn't actually gain anything in these seats for their massive massive swings Also based on the numbers they could have comfortably fielded a third in Donegal - may seem a bit excessive but both candidates where elected on the first count with 9k votes to spare which is more than any non-SF other single candidate polled on first preferences (though lower than combine FF and FG numbers) kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Feb 10, 2020 |
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