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Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

It's better for some people to buy masks early, to give suppliers time to restock if more are needed later, than for everyone to try to buy them all at once. I haven't bought a mask, and I don't know that I will, but taking precautionary measures when there's a known threat of uncertain potential out there isn't hoarding.

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William Henry Hairytaint
Oct 29, 2011



Klyith posted:

Most people buy masks because it's easy and don't actually do the hygiene part. But let's put that aside. Why weren't you wearing masks 2 months ago? It was flu season, flu can kill people. You had an infinitely higher chance of getting flu back in december than the ~0% chance of encountering coronavirus in the US right now.

Panic buying masks when you live in the US is hoarding, not a sensible precaution. Hoarding is bad.

You can beep boop this all you want and you can even do it and be correct but you're kinda just wasting breath. People are going to buy masks because we're not perfectly rational organisms and having masks handy makes a lot of people feel better.

emgeejay
Dec 8, 2007

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1226915470667849730

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
The mask argument is starting to sound a lot like "having seatbelts and airbags makes you a less cautious driver :smuggo:"

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

Sinteres posted:

It's better for some people to buy masks early, to give suppliers time to restock if more are needed later, than for everyone to try to buy them all at once. I haven't bought a mask, and I don't know that I will, but taking precautionary measures when there's a known threat of uncertain potential out there isn't hoarding.

No, it's better to leave the masks on the shelf so that instead of restocking the US the suppliers can send them to places they're needed like China, and without forcing the people who need them to compete with US purchasing power. We can afford to pay $5 for masks here and there aren't an infinite supply.


William Henry Hairytaint posted:

You can beep boop this all you want and you can even do it and be correct but you're kinda just wasting breath. People are going to buy masks because we're not perfectly rational organisms and having masks handy makes a lot of people feel better.

Like I started this over someone saying that people were not evaluating the risks correctly in the opposite direction, with a made up statistic. People can feel better about having masks to ward off a disease on the opposite side of the world, but doing so is an overall negative at the moment. If anyone likes to talk about the idea of good socialist welfare, now we can walk the walk.

coronavirus
Jan 27, 2020

by Cyrano4747

Klyith posted:

Most people buy masks because it's easy and don't actually do the hygiene part. But let's put that aside. Why weren't you wearing masks 2 months ago? It was flu season, flu can kill people. You had an infinitely higher chance of getting flu back in december than the ~0% chance of encountering coronavirus in the US right now.

Panic buying masks when you live in the US is hoarding, not a sensible precaution. Hoarding is bad.

The whole 'but the flu kills people toooooo!" thing is stupid. Slipping in the shower kills people. You still have to take a shower. Also its a ridiculous low chance a non-compromised person dies of the flu. This isn't the seasonal flu.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
It's not stupid in that you personally are much more likely to get the flu

it misses the point in that china doesn't shut down a bunch of cities for a month over the flu

Son of Rodney
Feb 22, 2006

ohmygodohmygodohmygod

Imagine a shower... 10 times more slippery than the normal ones

That's what the showers on a cruise ship are like

Are you a bad enough dude to take that risk?

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
The infected in the Japan cruise has doubled.

Look like it won't take that long to spread to the whole ship.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E
If you didn’t wear a mask last flu season you don’t deserve to wear one now just to be logically consistent.

Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004

coronavirus posted:

Slipping in the shower kills people. You still have to take a shower.
Uhh these are goons you're talking about here.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E

stephenthinkpad posted:

The infected in the Japan cruise has doubled.

Look like it won't take that long to spread to the whole ship.


it dont matter
Aug 29, 2008

Shaocaholica posted:

Will this Breaking Bad costume work as a real bio suit??? Comes with a mask and everything.



https://www.amazon.com/Rasta-Impost...ps%2C220&sr=8-5

I am the one who coughs.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E

alphabettitouretti posted:

I am the one who coughs.

Just interact with everyone on board using only BB quotes.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Shaocaholica posted:

Just interact with everyone on board using only BB quotes.
You’re goddamn right

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
boy this virus situation is sure... breaking bad :smuggo:

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Japan is being really stupid. They are not even testing the people who are coughing but have no fever.

What they need to do is rent out a few hotels like china and immidiately quarantine the people who have lease risk, move them out of the ship.

And for the people who were living next to the infected guests and have a chance to be infected thru the ventilation system, move them to the other empty rooms and spread out the people into different quarters.


This is the difference between an authoritarian country and a country that have too much rules nd regulations to make executive decision.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
that's a dumb way to sum it up

Goffer
Apr 4, 2007
"..."
In 5 years were going to get a feel good story about Karen, who miraculously survived the plague ships, overcoming her fears of ocean liners by embarking on another cruise

CPA Hell
Apr 15, 2007

I like to press the number six!

Goffer posted:

In 5 years were going to get a feel good story about Karen, who miraculously survived the plague ships, overcoming her fears of ocean liners by embarking on another cruise

And a movie in a year or so. Don’t forget the movie. It should have a title like “A Cruise to Nowhere” or “Sailing to Quarantine” something like that.

Kibbles n Shits
Apr 8, 2006

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Fun Shoe

Goffer posted:

In 5 years were going to get a feel good story about Karen, who miraculously survived the plague ships, overcoming her fears of ocean liners by embarking on another cruise

A true modern day Violet Jessop

EAT FASTER!!!!!!
Sep 21, 2002

Legendary.


:hampants::hampants::hampants:
Some people see the steps China is taking and take the leap of logic that this virus might be headed our way soon. I don't think that's unreasonable.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Sinteres posted:

It's better for some people to buy masks early, to give suppliers time to restock if more are needed later, than for everyone to try to buy them all at once. I haven't bought a mask, and I don't know that I will, but taking precautionary measures when there's a known threat of uncertain potential out there isn't hoarding.

No, it is objectively worse; healthcare professionals are experiencing mask shortages right now because too many no-risk people are hoarding them "just in case". Manufacturers don't need further incentives to ramp up production, they already know what's up

Gearhead
Feb 13, 2007
The Metroid of Humor

EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:

Some people see the steps China is taking and take the leap of logic that this virus might be headed our way soon. I don't think that's unreasonable.

My mother grew up in a household impacted severely by both the Spanish Flu and the Great Depression, literally a coal miner's daughter. She hoards food like you would not believe. I will confess that a childhood of that environment and current events has made me.. a touch concerned and feeling like my own cupboard is a bit barer than it should be.

On the upside, Spam keeps for years if this all blows over. And I loving love Spam.

Luckyellow
Sep 25, 2007

Pillbug
Just saw that there was a paper that just adjusted the number of fatalities rate in Hubei to about 18%.

Yeah, I'm feeling better about getting myself some masks.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
link?

EAT FASTER!!!!!!
Sep 21, 2002

Legendary.


:hampants::hampants::hampants:
That paper isn't peer reviewed and you should take it with an enormous grain of salt.

Neophyte
Apr 23, 2006

perennially
Taco Defender

Gearhead posted:

And I love loving Spam.

You fool! Didn't you know that SPAM has pangolin titty meat in it?! It's you! Patient Zero is you!

UnknownTarget
Sep 5, 2019

Luckyellow posted:

Just saw that there was a paper that just adjusted the number of fatalities rate in Hubei to about 18%.

Yeah, I'm feeling better about getting myself some masks.

OH NO! A random poster on a dead gay comedy forum referenced a random paper and doesn't even link to it! I am concerned!

In other news, I heard from my cousing Jerry that they're rounding people up and forcing them to masturbate pangolins so we can drink their semen to immunize ourselves. He says he read it in a paper somewhere. Totally forgot the name of it though. Guess you'll just have to believe me!

Luckyellow
Sep 25, 2007

Pillbug
Jeez I thought y'all were also following the other thread. My bad.

Ogantai posted:

Imperial College London (PDF) has updated its case fatality rate estimates:

quote:

We present case fatality ratio (CFR) estimates for three strata of 2019-nCoV infections. For cases detected in Hubei, we estimate the CFR to be 18% (95% credible interval: 11%-81%). For cases detected in travellers outside mainland China, we obtain central estimates of the CFR in the range 1.2-5.6% depending on the statistical methods, with substantial uncertainty around these central values. Using estimates of underlying infection prevalence in Wuhan at the end of January derived from testing of passengers on repatriation flights to Japan and Germany, we adjusted the estimates of CFR from either the early epidemic in Hubei Province, or from cases reported outside mainland China, to obtain estimates of the overall CFR in all infections (asymptomatic or symptomatic) of approximately 1% (95% confidence interval 0.5%-4%).

EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:

That paper isn't peer reviewed and you should take it with an enormous grain of salt.

Well that's good. What I do know is that about 10% of the people will end up in the ICU and that's what scares me the most, not the fatality rate. I can't afford a hospital over night stay, much less a week or more.

Luckyellow fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Feb 10, 2020

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

Has anyone posted this yet?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus

Spinz
Jan 7, 2020

I ordered luscious new gemstones from India and made new earrings for my SA mart thread

Remember my earrings and art are much better than my posting

New stuff starts towards end of page 3 of the thread

Luckyellow posted:

Jeez I thought y'all were also following the other thread. My bad.

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:aaa:

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

I read a new research paper suggesting that there's a 70% chance that this new coronavirus seals you up behind a wall in your wine cellar

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost

Luckyellow posted:

Jeez I thought y'all were also following the other thread. My bad.


makes sense - people outside of China are getting the absolute best medical care possible whereas people in Wuhan can't even get into hospitals mostly and are being quarantined at home or in camps with little to no medical care

so when this starts spreading in Bangladesh or what have you, i'd imagine the rate would be over 2% :/

that said reading the paper they suggest this disparity may be due in part to the chinese not counting milder cases

and the real takeaway i think isn't the 18% number (which has huge uncertainty) but the 'All Infections' CFR which is just under 1% with much more confidence

Mozi fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Feb 10, 2020

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

coronavirus posted:

You still have to take a shower.

You forget your audience dear sir.... :P

Chrs
Sep 21, 2015

Luckyellow posted:

Well that's good. What I do know is that about 10% of the people will end up in the ICU and that's what scares me the most, not the fatality rate. I can't afford a hospital over night stay, much less a week or more.

I know it’s a ridiculous amount but much does a night in hospital cost you guys roughly?

Dog Toothbrush
Oct 21, 2019

by Reene
Guys this virus is no big deal. Sure there’s a weirdly good chance you’ll have your life destroyed by the medical bill that comes to treat it but you’re probably not gonna die. Sheesh

FORUMS USER 1135
Jan 14, 2004

CPA Hell posted:

And a movie in a year or so. Don’t forget the movie. It should have a title like “A Cruise to Nowhere” or “Sailing to Quarantine” something like that.

From Sea to Shining nCoV

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Chrs posted:

I know it’s a ridiculous amount but much does a night in hospital cost you guys roughly?

In the UK at the moment, it's roughly gently caress all :)

God knows how much after we get reamed by the yanks... er... our american buddies.

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just another
Oct 16, 2009

these dead towns that make the maps wrong now

QuarkJets posted:

I read a new research paper suggesting that there's a 70% chance that this new coronavirus seals you up behind a wall in your wine cellar

The messed up part is that it won't even tell you why its doing it.

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