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I spent the first 27 years of my life in Wales, and it was drilled into me that there was a long legacy of the English loving us over. When I finally came over the border I found pretty much the same arguments, just directed towards BAME people. It's all just misdirected anger. We're all struggling in broadly the same way, for broadly the same reasons, and it's not a problem that will be solved by isolating ourselves e: I'm cursed with poo poo snipes. Have a tsetse fly. They give birth to live young, and even produce milk for them 
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^^^'The people with the most power in society are loving us over' and 'the people with the least power in society are loving us over' are not the same argument. I'd fetch that dril tweet about good and bad things, but I don't do twitter.Miftan posted:Literally nobody is saying that, we're just saying it's a bad thing and it should die, just like capitalism. They are though. When they come out swinging against us, they're ignoring that the English are, by and large, heavily nationalistic themselves, in a way that absolutely excludes us non-English Brits. It was this thread that taught me that if you don't resist the status quo, you are tacitly supporting it. Sanitary Naptime posted:My school only taught me french so obviously your school was better than mine But why, ffrind? Why?? We're all equals, right? Surely, they must have taught you something about us, to help you see us as equals and not scary-sounding foreigners, right? Please tell me you can pronounce our alphabet? Or at least some of it? Just one letter... An easy one... The letter F? Please? Why wouldn't it be a part of the curriculum? God, I just can't figure it out.
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Feb 11, 2020 13:04
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What the gently caress is happening in this thread today I've never seen a Welsh nationalist before, this is fascinating.
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Feb 11, 2020 13:05
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Saith posted:But why, ffrind? Why?? We're all equals, right? Surely, they must have taught you something about us, to help you see us as equals and not scary-sounding foreigners, right? Please tell me you can pronounce our alphabet? Or at least some of it? Just one letter... An easy one... The letter F? Please? Why wouldn't it be a part of the curriculum? God, I just can't figure it out. Gee, I wonder why Welsh wouldn't be part of the Scottish curriculum, when we didn't even learn any loving Gaelic or traditional Scots.
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Feb 11, 2020 13:06
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floofyscorp posted:What the gently caress is happening in this thread today Do they blur out the faces of Plaid politicians on TV across the border or what?
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:isn't british nationalism just english nationalism outside of england Ash Crimson posted:okay but neither are going to die anytime soon
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Saith posted:Do they blur out the faces of Plaid politicians on TV across the border or what? I'm Irish. Remember when Gerry Adams couldn't appear on the BBC without being overdubbed?
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Feb 11, 2020 13:08
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The days of getting out the dial up modem to go on Usenet and searching for Gerry Adams fansubs.
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Feb 11, 2020 13:11
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floofyscorp posted:I'm Irish. Remember when Gerry Adams couldn't appear on the BBC without being overdubbed? Ahh fair. And nah, I'm only 26, I didn't even know who Gerry Adams was during the Troubles. I didn't even know what the Troubles were during the Troubles. I don't think I knew what a Pikachu was during the Troubles and that's wild.
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Feb 11, 2020 13:12
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Did someone spike all the water with LSD, or what?
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Feb 11, 2020 13:14
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TheRat posted:Did someone spike all the water with LSD, or what? I fuckin' wish, it'd be making work go by faster.
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Feb 11, 2020 13:15
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TheRat posted:Did someone spike all the water with LSD, or what? Nah, spice
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:I spent the first 27 years of my life in Wales, and it was drilled into me that there was a long legacy of the English loving us over. When I finally came over the border I found pretty much the same arguments, just directed towards BAME people. It's all just misdirected anger. We're all struggling in broadly the same way, for broadly the same reasons, and it's not a problem that will be solved by isolating ourselves A good post. Saith posted:^^^'The people with the most power in society are loving us over' and 'the people with the least power in society are loving us over' are not the same argument. I'd fetch that dril tweet about good and bad things, but I don't do twitter. I can probably pronounce some welsh stuff through cultural osmosis yeah. Also what mehall said, how much Gàidhlig can you speak? Why would it matter if you could or couldn’t? Are you being wilfully obtuse over the idea that utilitarianism may be part of the school curriculum? Or is this a Scottish plot to silence the welsh language?
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Feb 11, 2020 13:19
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floofyscorp posted:What the gently caress is happening in this thread today It's like seeing a poo poo smeared unicorn.
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Welsh language chat: I know it's extremely many moons ago now (1960s) but at my Welsh primary school in the Valleys we did English and French (at a time when Welsh primary schools taught French but English schools didn't start second language teaching til secondary school.) The most Welsh we got was singing the Welsh national anthem and Ar Hyd a Nos once a year at the parents' day. Teaching Welsh in Wales only became a compulsory thing at primary schools in 1990 and in secondary schools in 1999. Ed: I recall in the 1990s we were interviewing for secretaries at work (in London), one was from Bridgend. When asked about learning Welsh she said she had refused because 'while English kids are learning French or German which have got wide usage, we're stuck learning a dying language of limited use and cutting our chances.' Ed2: A 'friend' was arguing on facebook that only muslims were terrorists, so I said hadn't she heard of Meibion Glyndŵr who used to go round fire-bombing homes they decided were English holiday homes? No she hadn't. She's only in her 40s bless her cotton baby socks. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Feb 11, 2020 |
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Feb 11, 2020 13:28
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hey remember when Guto Bebb was in the news and a bunch of people in the thread were like "lol he sounds like a Star Wars character". that was cool. that was so incredibly cool
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Feb 11, 2020 13:31
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gently caress Wales. gently caress England gently caress Scotland Cornwall is the real victim here, and your echo chamber makes you blind to its plight
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Sanitary Naptime posted:A good post. Nope! The English, with their English nationalism, destroyed your languages like they did to mine. And any time our languages are brought upin media, they're framed as pointless, divergent, and something to be mocked. That's why you didn't learn any Cymraeg. That's the answer to my riddle. And there's definitely utility in learning just a little bit of Cymraeg. It's a lovely language. It feels really nice when you speak it. It just rolls off the tongue. I expect Gàidhlig and Scots is the same. It's one of history's greatest tragedies that, while we could have had Cymraeg, Gàidhlig, Francais or Kernowek, we ended up with this pig-tongue hamguage made up of grunts and squeals. And you know, it would help to bind the UK together if we all respected one-anothers' languages but a lifetime of seeing old English pensioners protesting outside Ysgolion Gymraeg has made it so difficult for me to do. Spuckuk posted:It's like seeing a poo poo smeared unicorn. Turn on your monitor. Lt. Danger posted:hey remember when Guto Bebb was in the news and a bunch of people in the thread were like "lol he sounds like a Star Wars character". that was cool. that was so incredibly cool Enfys Nest actually is a Star Wars character tho and I think that's kind of cool. Shame she was played by an English woman.
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Ratjaculation posted:gently caress Wales. If my Cornish relatives are anything to go by, the Cornish will have gotten off lightly if they're just ground up to a fine paste and used to lubricate Rolls Royce wheels.
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Saith posted:Nope! The English, with their English nationalism, destroyed your languages like they did to mine. And any time our languages are brought upin media, they're framed as pointless, divergent, and something to be mocked. That's why you didn't learn any Cymraeg. That's the answer to my riddle. I agree that it would be nice, and also posit that under a left wing uk government and a bit of time would have way more chance of happening than if we just granularise away into the individual constituent nations. Adult education, especially in languages, is something I’d like to see a lot more of. I’ve been trying to teach myself Russian and it’s a loving nightmare to do on my tod
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Kernew is a victim, I agree. Thankfully in recent years, there's been a huge push to revitalise the language. I remember speaking to a Cornish girl on a pokemon forum when I was an ickle boy and she was saying how there was just one old man alive who still spoke Kernewek fluently. I don't know how true that was but sometimes, good things are possible when the people whose interests are actually at stake get to decide what to do, rather than be dictated to.
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Saith posted:Kernew is a victim, I agree. Thankfully in recent years, there's been a huge push to revitalise the language. I remember speaking to a Cornish girl on a pokemon forum when I was an ickle boy and she was saying how there was just one old man alive who still spoke Kernewek fluently. I don't know how true that was but sometimes, good things are possible when the people whose interests are actually at stake get to decide what to do, rather than be dictated to. Did you show her your pokeballs? most of the kernow language revitalisation is funded by the EU lmbo
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We should bring back Cumbric.
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Spuckuk posted:We should bring back Cumbric. Turn your monitor off.
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Lt. Danger posted:hey remember when Guto Bebb was in the news and a bunch of people in the thread were like "lol he sounds like a Star Wars character". that was cool. that was so incredibly cool member of parliament for the star wars expanded universe, guto bebb - that was me. you know i searched it a while back to see if i'd come up with that - i hadn't, there are four pages of posts of people all over SA independently coming up with the bit. it's a genuinely amusing linguistic coincidence that occasionally crops up, noticed by people who'd be unable to point out wales on a map.
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Ratjaculation posted:Did you show her your pokeballs? Nah, but I did get a pikachu ayyy Nah, Pros don't bother learning Flash ayyy Nah, Ekans can't even use Harden ayyyy I dunno I'm bad at puns Ratatataaaa
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Lt. Danger posted:hey remember when Guto Bebb was in the news and a bunch of people in the thread were like "lol he sounds like a Star Wars character". that was cool. that was so incredibly cool Welp guess we can't think Elon Musk is a funny sci-fi name now either because of the Boers or whatever RIP also all mention of noted thread favourites Bambos Charalambous and whoa-oah Thangam Debbonaire
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Musk is a soutpiel and the Afrikaner people have done enough poo poo without being blamed for him.
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sebzilla posted:Welp guess we can't think Elon Musk is a funny foreign name now either because of the Boers or whatever People ITT: Stop saying mean things about England that's racist you racist  Also people ITT: You have funny names, get over it. It's just bantz fam 
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Feb 11, 2020 14:09
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Saith posted:People ITT: Stop saying mean things about England that's racist you racist Apparently "funny" names being "funny" are immune from racism.
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Wales has a train that goes up a mountain and the rest of the UK doesn't. 🏴 1 - 0 🇬🇧
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jackhunter64 posted:Wales has a train that goes up a mountain and the rest of the UK doesn't. 🏴 1 - 0 🇬🇧 Um https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Funicular_railways_in_the_United_Kingdom
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jackhunter64 posted:Wales has a train that goes up a mountain and the rest of the UK doesn't. 🏴 1 - 0 🇬🇧 We don't have a train that goes North to South though lol Or a decent road for that matter
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Check mate cymrailures
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Saith posted:People ITT: Stop saying mean things about England that's racist you racist That would be a good point if we were saying that all foreign names are intrinsically funny because of the foriegnness, and/or if conversely no English names were funny. Neither is the case.
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thespaceinvader posted:This is exactly what I got told when I suggested someone not make cracks about Zarah Sultana's name, too. I agree, but also, I will never stop making fun of posh tory names.
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You guys should legit start using the word Cymry instead of Welsh tho when referring to a Welsh person Partly because its easier and quicker to type, partly because its our word for ourselves, not based on a Saxon slur and partly because it basically means 'comrade'.
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Saith posted:You guys should legit start using the word Cymry instead of Welsh tho when referring to a Welsh person I will happily do this so long as you assure me that it’s completely replacing of the word Welsh in all manners of syntax because I’d rather not look like a dumbass for using it. Also if welsh is a Saxon slur, why hasn’t there been more work to fix that from within Wales? Is wales also a slur? I’m not being facetious here, I legit don’t know this poo poo and I’m curious Sanitary Naptime fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Feb 11, 2020 |
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Saith posted:You guys should legit start using the word Cymry instead of Welsh tho when referring to a Welsh person Not Cymraeg?
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