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R0ckfish posted:I finished up another Exocrine! Sorry if you already answered this but what do you do for your bases? Apart from the gnarly water effects, what are the rocky outcrops? I'm about to paint up some big tyranid beasties, and my usual bone drybrush on sand, plus some bigger bits of rock (goblin green rims of course) seems kind of bland.
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IPA Regulations posted:Sorry if you already answered this but what do you do for your bases? Apart from the gnarly water effects, what are the rocky outcrops? The bases are an initial layer of sculptamold to form the river shape and give body, then followed by stirland battle mire over top other then the river bed which is just covered with wyldwood and drybrushed. Instead of battlemire I would recommend looking into vajello basing paste as it is very similar and way cheaper, I was stuck into GW basing paste by previous work.
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Feb 11, 2020 13:55
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R0ckfish posted:I finished up another Exocrine! If it wasn’t for the fact I’ve already got Orks, so a second Xenos horde army seems redundant (I know Nidzilla lists are a thing but I’d rather go 1 Xenos, 1 Imperium, 1 Chaos and 1 each of horde, gunline and elite for my armies), I’d really think about getting because the bigger units look amazing, though not sure I’d ever make them look this good.
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Anime_Otaku posted:If it wasn’t for the fact I’ve already got Orks, so a second Xenos horde army seems redundant (I know Nidzilla lists are a thing but I’d rather go 1 Xenos, 1 Imperium, 1 Chaos and 1 each of horde, gunline and elite for my armies), I’d really think about getting because the bigger units look amazing, though not sure I’d ever make them look this good. I have both nids and orks, I dont regret it too much. As for painting, it's just practice and finding a striking scheme which is not too much effort.
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Feb 11, 2020 15:07
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jng2058 posted:I'd recommend you get Battle Scribe ( https://www.battlescribe.net/ ). It usually updates within a week of some kind of army change, be it points changes or new unit types or whatever. It makes it a lot easier to calculate your points. Also, use ButtScribe.
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Feb 11, 2020 15:29
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xtothez posted:PL is for people who build their new units exactly like the photo on the box without even thinking of trying to min-max each weapon option. PL does literally the opposite of this, though, because it tells you that your plucky band of box art heroes are a fair fight for a min maxed monstrosity, which is emphatically not true. If that's what PL is supposed to be then it's failing super loving hard at it.
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jng2058 posted:I'd recommend you get Battle Scribe ( https://www.battlescribe.net/ ). It usually updates within a week of some kind of army change, be it points changes or new unit types or whatever. It makes it a lot easier to calculate your points. thanks, this made life much easier
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Feb 11, 2020 18:00
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Strobe posted:PL does literally the opposite of this, though, because it tells you that your plucky band of box art heroes are a fair fight for a min maxed monstrosity, which is emphatically not true. If that's what PL is supposed to be then it's failing super loving hard at it. I mean it's supposed to be a roughly equal fight, not a totally fair fight. Also worth bearing in mind that two armies can have the exact same points value anyway and it's not necessarily a fair fight, so that sort of logic is always a bit weird. The way I see it points are GW's best stab at making two armies equally as good as long as their points values are the same. It's not perfect but they do their best to get it as close as possible. PL is like that, but even less accurate designed for quickness and simplicity. I wouldn't play a match with PL, but I can imagine situations where you would.
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Feb 11, 2020 18:42
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xtothez posted:PL is for people who spend most of their hobby time painting and/or reading novels, but still want to enjoy the occasional narrative game based on their favourite story. That's me, I don't use PL because it doesn't work because it's a really really bad implementation of that idea. No one is confused by what it's supposed to do. It just does a piss-poor job of it.
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Is the Remora Stealth Drone useful at all, or is it trash?
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Kitchner posted:I mean it's supposed to be a roughly equal fight, not a totally fair fight. Also worth bearing in mind that two armies can have the exact same points value anyway and it's not necessarily a fair fight, so that sort of logic is always a bit weird. A five man unit of Death Company with bolt pistols and chainswords is the same as a five man with Thunder Hammers. A squad of Crisis Suits with one Burst Cannon each is identical in PL to a same size squad with three Cyclic Ion Blasters each. Power level loving blows at making reasonably balanced fights. Its only use is for making games where the number and type of models involved "looks right".
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ANAmal.net posted:Also, use ButtScribe.  Didn't know this existed, thanks!
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I think I have played four games with power level. One was when 8th first started and I brought in a random pile of models and said "someone teach me how to play" The other three were when new people brought in their random handfuls of models and wanted someone to teach them how to play. Strobe posted:Power level loving blows at making reasonably balanced fights. Its only use is for making games where the number and type of models involved "looks right". To this point though yea, anyone with a decent amount of experience at the game could probably eyeball a small force and plop down a reasonable number of models to make a reasonably fun learning match just as easily as matching power level. The part where power level fails horribly is that it doesn't do anything to stop someone from bringing a horribly unbalanced minmaxed force of the same "power", and thus doesn't do anything to enforce a casual, friendly game which is what it is ostensibly for.
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Feb 11, 2020 18:56
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Improbable Lobster posted:That's me, I don't use PL because it doesn't work because it's a really really bad implementation of that idea. No one is confused by what it's supposed to do. It just does a piss-poor job of it. Yeah I think even in a casual game it's not great because it requires both players be on the same page. Something like Deathwatch Veterans become way more powerful in PL where the only real restriction is points affecting the weapons you bring. Points have this problem too but they're constantly tweaking points while PL generally remains the same despite power creep.
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Giant Isopod posted:The part where power level fails horribly is that it doesn't do anything to stop someone from bringing a horribly unbalanced minmaxed force of the same "power", and thus doesn't do anything to enforce a casual, friendly game which is what it is ostensibly for. PL operates with the assumption that none of the parties involved are min-maxing and trying to game the system. If somebody is thinking about how to maximize their army's efficiency they're already doing it wrong. PL is a casual way to play the game because it doesn't function properly unless all parties involved are playing it casual.
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ThoraxTheImpaler posted:PL
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Improbable Lobster posted:That's me, I don't use PL because it doesn't work because it's a really really bad implementation of that idea. No one is confused by what it's supposed to do. It just does a piss-poor job of it. Yeahhh, like, if you're using points is basically the same as that mode where you and your opponent both just field as many models as you want Its not the worst idea to have a less fiddly way to build armies, but building a list by points or power level, either is a giant pain in the rear end unless you use battlescribe so... just use battlescribe and then who cares about points.
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Feb 11, 2020 19:22
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Clawtopsy posted:Apparently the Warp Spider Phoenix Lord's armor was recovered in the latest Psychic Awakening book. And because they may finally stop using the sculpts that have been around since I was in middle school.
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Feb 11, 2020 19:23
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the aspect rankings goes like this Tier 1: Warp Spiders, Striking Scorpions Tier 2: Fire Dragons, Incubi, Swooping Hawks Tier 3: Dark Reapers, Howling Banshees Tier 4: Shining Spears
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Feb 11, 2020 19:28
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Clawtopsy posted:the aspect rankings goes like this Where do the goofy rear end Forge World Shadow Spectres fit in?
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jng2058 posted:Where do the goofy rear end Forge World Shadow Spectres fit in? Fanfiction Tier.
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PeterWeller posted:As the OG Striking Scorpions, Incubi should be tier 1 Incubi: we are DARK and SERIOUS and use big CLOUD STRIFE SWORDS Striking Scorpions: we got face guns and chainsaws, lol  its no contest e:: in fact in light of this im moving incubi down to T3with the other edgelords, dark reapers
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GW hasn't had banshees for sale since the blood phoenix box I think? I guess they just desperately want people to buy from the recasters. I'd really like 10 of those and 10 striking scorpions for my eldar army. Warp spiders would be cool too, but they're kinda expensive, pointswise and modelwise, for what they do imo. With 3+ save and 21 of their sword attacks + 3 mortal wounds on average on a charge, striking scorpions aren't bad for 90 points I don't think. Shadow strike is like  though.
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Clawtopsy posted:Incubi: we are DARK and SERIOUS and use big CLOUD STRIFE SWORDS This is a fair criticism. And in light of the fact that the Incubi used to have head guns but got rid of them in a bid to be more edgy, I think they should be pushed down to guardian tier.
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I think all the aspect warriors are tier 1 except incubi.
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People who kitbash the knights kits with the plastic sisters of battle might be my new favorite thing.
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Robot Uprising posted:People who kitbash the knights kits with the plastic sisters of battle might be my new favorite thing. That is awesome.
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I have extraordinarily expensive inspiration now.
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Clawtopsy posted:the aspect rankings goes like this You forgot dire avengers but i imagine that was deliberate
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RagnarokAngel posted:You forgot dire avengers but i imagine that was deliberate oh yeah lol theyre in the forgettable tier
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Robot Uprising posted:People who kitbash the knights kits with the plastic sisters of battle might be my new favorite thing. Gallant Goofus
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Any good sources for third-party Tau bits?
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goose willis posted:Any good sources for third-party Tau bits? Bandai? 
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goose willis posted:Any good sources for third-party Tau bits? Red Dog minis is the only one I've been able to find other than Shapeways for bitz. Wargames exclusive of course makes cheesecake and non-cheesecake proxies.
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goose willis posted:Any good sources for third-party Tau bits? Its not much but https://puppetswar.eu/models-and-bits-49/sci-fi/manga-bots.html?p=1
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Clawtopsy posted:the aspect rankings goes like this do Warp Spiders still have the rule where they have a chance of getting lost in the warp every time they teleport actually it's been so long since I cracked an eldar codex that I'm not even sure if that was just a fluff thing
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A friend and I had a Floorhammer game about a week and a half ago. I finally have enough terrain to host a decent, if small, game of 40k.  We played a monster mash - as many robits and daemon engines as we could cram/own. Points were 1250 - he was about a week out from being able to kick it up to 2000 with a shipment of used Custodian dreadnoughts, but the post had other plans. I played my XXth Legion, while he played Minotaurs with some Guard support (in the form of Sentinels and one unit of Scions). Our mission was War of Lies, from 30k. I thoroughly enjoyed it - the random objective values made playing to the bottom of turn six feel worth it, rather than one side getting an early lead that the other can't catch up to. I was pleased to finally run this feller. He was an ebay rescue, and all I had to do was re-make the base. My plan for it was simple - distraction carnifex. He performed this admirably!  Some Terminators deep-struck, with Asterion Moloch in tow. I wasn't too worried - thanks to a strategem, they had to be a full twelve inches away from anything they wanted to kill. What's he gonna do, make a twelve-inch charge?   gently caress! This combat lasted some time.  It ended with me continually falling back with my Moolerfiend, so my mostly-untouched Legionnaires could shoot the poo poo out of Moloch. Why didn't my bud ever scoot Moloch so he was out of the open? I dunno. On the other side of the board, Hekaton proceeded to rip his way through many robits.     I stopped taking pictures at that point, but anyway the game pretty much ended when a boxnaught shot him point-blank with a missile and he blew up. Since I had two objectives and Slay the Warlord to his one objective, I came out with a comfortable lead. But hey, War of Lies - you never know. We're looking forward to playing that 2k version in the next month or so - good news for me, since I still have two Contemptors, two Maulerfiends, and a second Leviathan that didn't get to play.
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Filthy Hans posted:do Warp Spiders still have the rule where they have a chance of getting lost in the warp every time they teleport Not teleporting, surprisingly, but their flickerjump ability which allows them to phase out when getting shot at has chance of losing a model (2 on a 2D6)
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They used to have a rule that could kill them in the warp, but that was also the age of space marine jump troops landing on a bumpy patch then faceplanting themselves to death.
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