Zero One posted:

https://www.marinetraffic.com/

unpacked robinhood posted:

All of this because those juicy pangolin titties were just too good to pass

Tei posted:

Rename the ship, so their next visitors dont find is the plague ship

quote:

On February 10, 2013, Carnival Triumph, with 3,143 passengers aboard, suffered an engine room fire, leaving the ship adrift for four days in the Gulf of Mexico.[35] The engine fire led to a power outage on the ship, which in turn caused raw sewage to back up. The media dubbed the ordeal "The Poop Cruise".[36] The ship was towed to Mobile, Alabama, docking on the evening of February 14.

In subsequent litigation, Carnival documents were uncovered that revealed multiple generator maintenance problems creating a "disaster waiting to happen." In response, Carnival's court filing stated that the contract that passengers agree to when they buy a ticket "makes absolutely no guarantee for safe passage, a seaworthy vessel, adequate and wholesome food, and sanitary and safe living conditions."[39]

Following her $200 million, two-month drydock in Cadiz, Spain in 2019, she was rechristened as Carnival Sunrise.

Saros posted:

They finally named it. Covid 19.

Catchy!

Burt Sexual posted:

So y’all can track my death spiral

Cruise: 7 Night Western Caribbean & Perfect Day
Ship Name: Symphony Of The Seas
Date of Departure: 14-Mar-2020
Departing From: Miami, Florida

Deadly

Burt Sexual posted:

So y’all can track my death spiral

Cruise: 7 Night Western Caribbean & Perfect Day
Ship Name: Symphony Of The Seas
Date of Departure: 14-Mar-2020
Departing From: Miami, Florida

Deadly

Play posted:

they could put the people who are almost certainly not infected into another boat, then once the correct period of time passes without symptoms let them ashore. Hell, Japan may even have more than one extra boat!

Play posted:

Then they waited a bit too long didn't they. They could've separated those infected and likely to be infected, in fact the earlier they separated folks and the more groups they created would probably mean several of the groups would end up completely disease free, instead of what we have now where it seems pretty clear that basically everyone on that ship is going to get the disease.

Not pretending to be an expert here, just a regular guy. I understand the concept of the quarantine, just wondering if it could've been executed a bit differently.

Source4Leko posted:

No but you see these people are being inconvenienced. The American government needs to do whatever it can so these white Americans vacations are rescued.

Zero One posted:

Carnival is way ahead of you:

Shaocaholica posted:

China could build a boat for 5000 in 10 days.

unpacked robinhood posted:

The generators self combust but the crew is totally trained to deal with epidemics on board

Nurge posted:

Been coughing for a week straight now. I pulled a muscle in my stomach from coughing. If I'm gonna get corona after this I'm gonna kick someone in the balls.

e: Or vagina I don't want to discriminate.

HugeGrossBurrito posted:

lol same I got sick once last school year, its been like 4 times this year, so im sure ill get this poo poo too

Saros posted:

They finally named it. Covid 19.

Catchy!

Saros posted:

They finally named it. Covid 19.

Catchy!

Nucken Futz posted:

Wuhan, as in China, where they eat loving bats (which are bugs) and pangolins (lizards).

Mozi posted:

they don't name diseases after where they came from anymore

altogether i don't really like your post at all tbh. it smells of casual racism and looking at your rap sheet my nose is working perfectly

unpacked robinhood posted:

The CDCs guidelines to deal with infected passengers aboard quarantined ships include using N95 masks, the absolute buffoons. Just wash youre hands and your'e clear.

poverty goat posted:

the spanish flu didn't come from spain, it's just called that because spain was neutral in ww1 and everyone else was operating under wartime censorship so while the flu devastated the western front and spread from there to everywhere else the news was only allowed to report on it in spain, where the king was sick. what im saying is, better to call it covid 19 than wuhan coronavirus when everyone knows it came from the canadian lab but nobody's allowed to report it

HugeGrossBurrito posted:

the Canadians were working on some kind of man pangolin hybrid and then tried to dispose of the evidence

McGavin posted:

You weren't supposed to tell them about the mangolin!

McGavin posted:

You weren't supposed to tell them about the mangolin!

HugeGrossBurrito posted:

the Canadians were working on some kind of man pangolin hybrid and then tried to dispose of the evidence

Zero One posted:

If you want hot takes from "typical" cruise passengers I highly recommend this https://boards.cruisecritic.com/topic/2730905-diamond-princess-passenger-tested-positive-for-wuhan-coronavirus/page/44/

Shaocaholica posted:

Mozi posted:

they don't name diseases after where they came from anymore

altogether i don't really like your post at all tbh. it smells of casual racism and looking at your rap sheet my nose is working perfectly

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SEOUL–North Korea’s not saying a word about deaths or illnesses from the coronavirus, but the disease reportedly has spread across the border from China and is taking a toll in a country with a dismal health care system and scant resources for fighting off the deadly bug.

One sure sign of the regime’s fears is that it failed to stage a parade in central Pyongyang on Saturday, the 72nd anniversary of the founding of the country’s armed forces. Last year, Kim Jong Un himself presided over the procession that displayed the North’s latest missiles and other fearsome hardware along with goose-stepping soldiers in serried ranks.

This year, nothing about the nation’s nuclear warheads, much less the “new strategic weapon” that Kim has vowed to unveil. Rodong Sinmum, the newspaper of the ruling Workers’ Party, merely cited the armed forces’ supposed success combating “severe and dangerous difficulties”—and said nothing at all about the parade.

But reports have filtered out about Kim’s subjects falling prey to coronavirus despite the country’s decision to seal its 880-mile border with China, most of it along the Yalu River into the Yellow Sea to the west, and its 11-mile border with Russia where the Tumen River flows into the Pacific.

Among the first to report fatalities in North Korea, the Seoul-based website Daily NK said five people had died in the critical northwestern city of Sinuiju, on the Yalu River across road and rail bridges from Dandong, which is the largest Chinese city in the region and a key point for commerce with North Korea despite sanctions.

Daily NK, which relies on sources inside North Korea that send reports via Chinese mobile phone networks to contacts in China, said authorities had “ordered public health officials in Sinuiju to quickly dispose of the bodies and keep the deaths secret from the public.”

The victims had crossed the porous Yalu River border despite orders to cut off traffic from China as the disease radiated from the industrial city of Wuhan where the virus originated in December. As of Sunday, more than 700 people had died inside China.

One of the first patients in North Korea reportedly was hospitalized in Sinuiju “with symptoms similar to a cold and was given fever reducers and antibiotics,” said Daily NK, but the patient died as the fever rose. Two more patients died two days later in another hospital in Sinuiju and another two in a nearby town.

North Korea’s worries about an epidemic are all the more intense because of its shortage of basic medicine and equipment. As cases mount, authorities are working feverishly to contain a disease that, if unchecked, could undermine Kim’s grip over his 25 million people, most of whom live in poverty worsened by hunger.

“Because health conditions and health care in North Korea are so bad,” said Bruce Bennett, long-time analyst at the Rand Corporation, “they cannot allow the replication process to develop without severe intervention”—that is, they have to take drastic steps to keep the virus from spreading fast.

The country has just streamlined a headquarters to coordinate operations, Rodong Sinmun reported, marshaling 30,000 workers to combat the epidemic.

Besides blocking international traffic, the North’s Korean Central News Agency reported the headquarters had ordered tests for everyone entering the capital city of Pyongyang by road and for anyone who had traveled outside the country. Foreigners working in Pyongyang, including those with diplomatic missions or non-governmental organizations, were banned temporarily from venturing outside for shopping.

Even so, with hospitals and clinics largely bereft of needed supplies other than those serving the elite in the capital and elsewhere, a certain desperation was evident in the state media. Rodong Sinmun warned that “the fate” of the country was at stake, according to Yonhap, the South Korean news agency.

“North Korea lacks a vaccine or medical abilities,” said Bennett,”so they have to act by preventing the disease from coming into North Korea.” The point is to “rapidly contain any leakage—exactly what they are trying to do by preventing people-to-people contacts.”

That’s virtually impossible, however, as long as people move illicitly across the border, carrying on low-level commerce in the need to survive a decrepit system. JoongAng Ilbo, a leading South Korean newspaper, cited anonymous source saying that a woman had been diagnosed in the capital and that all those with whom she had had contact had been quarantined.

Unlike in China, North Korea officially has denied any cases while attempting to get people to cooperate in stopping the spread of the disease. JoongAng Ilbo quoted a North Korean health official, Song In Bom, as having called on North Korean TV for “civil awareness” and unity in dealing with the disease while assuring his audience there had so far been no cases.

“I believe absolutely nothing of what I'm hearing from Pyongyang,” said Evans Revere, a former senior U.S. diplomat who specializes in North Korean issues.

“It simply defies credibility that a country with a grossly inadequate public health infrastructure and a malnourished population, a country that depends on China for some 90 percent of its trade, and a country that had until recently opened itself up to a major influx of Chinese tourists in order to earn foreign exchange has avoided having a lot of victims,” said Revere. “The total closure of the border and other measures Pyongyang has taken reflect a real sense of emergency in the North about the threat.”

In fact, he went on, “I can't help but think it may also reflect panic if the number of patients is growing.”

Indeed, “the coronavirus arguably poses a unique threat to North Korea,” wrote Victor Cha and Marie DuMond of the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington in an article in Beyond Parallel, which is published by CSIS.

“The regime’s relative isolation from the international community hinders the widespread penetration of many diseases from abroad,” they wrote, but “the porous nature of the border with China and frequent travel is a clear vector for the virus’ transmission.” Thus, “If there are reports of the virus inside of North Korea, we should expect that the virus would spread rapidly given the state’s inability to contain a pandemic.”

By now, it may be too late for North Korea to stamp out all signs of the disease.

“Several suspected coronavirus infections have occurred in North Korea even though it shut all its borders,” said Chosun Ilbo, South Korea’s biggest-selling newspaper, citing anonymous sources. “The infections most likely spread through porous parts of the border with China that see plenty of smuggling and other clandestine traffic,” said the paper, reporting suspected cases among those “engaged in smuggling between the North and China.”

“Bottom line,” said Steve Tharp, who’s been analyzing North Korean affairs as both an army officer and civilian expert for many years here, “the coronavirus has tightened up sanctions enforcement more than any other measure over the years because the North Koreans are actually self-enforcing the sanctions, against their will, through the tight closing of their borders in order to save the regime from being wiped out by this human pandemic coming.”

North Korean leaders, said Tharp, “understand very well that this pandemic would rip through their population and be much more dangerous in North Korea than other places because of their inadequate medical infrastructure and the low resistance disease of the general population after so many years of surviving under near-starvation conditions.”

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North Korea heralds herbal disinfectant as part of coronavirus containment strategy

SEOUL — North Korea has launched a society-wide effort to contain the new coronavirus, including production of herbal disinfectant from burdock roots.

North Korea’s official Korean Central News Agency said Tuesday that the new virus cannot be contained by health officials alone. It called for “workers at all levels and fields” to join in the nation’s battle against the virus.

One such effort is a “production battle” to make herbal medicine out of burdock roots as an “emergency prevention measure against the novel coronavirus,” North Korea’s state-run outlet Sogwang said Tuesday.

Sogwang said the “burdock antiviral solution” developed in North Korea in 2016 has proved to contain “a variety of virus” in an “highly effective manner” with “little or no side effects.”

Sogwang also carried a photo of the solution, on which its name is written in English and German. The propaganda outlet did not mention if the burdock solution is intended for export to foreign countries.

North Korea has taken extreme measures to seal itself from the outside world following the virus outbreak in neighboring China. It was one of the first countries to completely ban foreign tourists and cut cross-border air and train routes last month.

Over the past few weeks, North Korea’s propaganda machine has been trumpeting the Kim regime’s battle against the virus.

North Korea has not reported a single case of coronavirus infection, although nearly 200 virus cases have been confirmed in the Chinese provinces of Liaoning and Jilin that border the isolated nation.

Daily NK, a Seoul-based news service with informants in North Korea, reported Tuesday that a dozen coronavirus patients have been in quarantine at a hospital in Pyongyang, citing unnamed sources inside the country.

Haramstufe Rot posted:

Medical insurance chat:

I have had a lot of experience with the medical system here in a European capital over the past two years (essentially all levels of severity, many dozens visits), so I feel qualified.

1. You can book appointments for GPs usually on the same day (because there are many in a city). You'll have to wait, but that's just the overrun from prior patients. Say, you have an appointment at 1pm. Then, you'll probably have to wait from 5 to 30 minutes. For my GP next door, it is generally also sufficient to show up without appointment, but then you are served by order of arrival (they have appointment days and non-appointment days). Then you may wait some more, like 1-2 hours. But again, you can always use an online tool to just book an appointment somewhere.
Not ideal.

Perhaps this is better in the USA where they may see you straight away in any case.