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LOL gently caress the government and gently caress ofcom. Police me?!
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Right, a lad disappearing for a day and turning up a bit bleary-eyed the next day is one thing but he was missing for three weeks, is SIGINT, and was decomposing in literally the first place you'd check for a soldier who's dropped off the grid. Absolutely zero chance in this world or the next that no-one up the chain knew about it. 100% the squaddies had a game of Bash The Lad WIth A Funny Accent, done him in, and the nearest NCO has just put a blanket over him and told everyone to keep schtum. Because, and say it with me, the British armed forces are LOUSY with fascists.
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We have identified a dangerous criminal mastermind of bad posting known as "weedlord_bonerhitler_69"
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NotJustANumber99 posted:My phone just sent me an article about how wales is being discriminated against in terms of fast car charging points. Apparently wales has fewer fast charger points than milton keynes, so Saith I'd like to apologiche. This cannot be right. I'm just lucky I've got no reason to go to wales after they were rude and unwelcoming the last time.
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Feb 12, 2020 00:30
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Wait, I thought Milton Keynes was a fictional place
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You’ll be glad to know we’ve been receiving complaints at the RLB campaign today about trans rights.
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Ratjaculation posted:Wait, I thought Milton Keynes was a fictional place I regret to inform you that it is in fact real
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There's a hashtag trending on twitter right now: #ExpelMe: https://twitter.com/claireOT/status/1227335221894402049?s=20 Thousands of transphobes (probably only a small proportion of them actually Labour members) tweeting about it. I say do it. Expel any who can be identified. Also a good time to remind people about the TERFblocker blocklist. https://twitter.com/TerfBlocker
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It's a potentially good political tactic for Bailey, take a side on the issue, force starmer to either back her up, or come out against her. Either one's gonna cost him votes I think cos if he backs it they're gonna poo poo on him, if he disagrees it'll probably hurt his appeal on second preferences from left voters. I dunno how the actual labour membership swings but hopefully it comes out in bailey's favour. I think it's one of those issues that's probably more important to labour members than the general public so it's a good way to gently caress him up with his "sensible everyman" thing by potentially forcing him to openly disagree with the members, assuming the members actually are decent folk. Also what's the deal with the "a woman's place" thing, LGB alliance is obvious, I don't think you miss the T off unless you're making a point, but what's the other lot about?
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Its also the right thing to do. Surely all the others do the same thing? Its just telling that Becky LB is the one brave enough to 'lead' on it. Although as I said earlier the whole things a bit hosed up given how protracted it is and Starmers basically not even taking part. NotJustANumber99 fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Feb 12, 2020 |
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Feb 12, 2020 01:05
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Dissapointed that it's not #TerfedOut
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Well yes obviously it's the right thing to do but unfortunately the right thing to do doesn't necessarily motivate people, even labour members. I hope sincerely that if she gets the leadership she actually campaigns on the basis that labour should lead on things like that, because it should, but we did just have a man who knew and did the right thing the majority of the time but wasn't super good at the politicking bit. So if she manages to actually gently caress up starmer by doing the right thing, it'd make me happy because I'd like her to do that to other people too. It's risky cos I dunno quite how idealistic the labour membership is feeling at the moment, but possibly if she can walk the line between seeming competent and willing to campaign on important ideals that might put a bit of the fight back into them.
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As we've seen, winning the labour leadership is very different to winning a general election. Honestly anyone talking about 'loving up starmer' is already someone I'm not keen to listen to next election. Its just wasted energy. I can't see RLB losing this? I do think shes the right one to win, young enough, motivated, relatively untarnished. Lets go. But if she delves into thoughts like that... Not good. Honestly no general election is being won or lost on trans rights. Shes doing the right thing, carry on. That might sound horrible but... well its a pretty horrible electorate.
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I think there's a very real possibility of starmer winning it on the second or third count and if she's fighting for important things she should do so strongly, and that means fighting starmer and his remain brain windsocking. Plus if she wins it the wreckers are going to go full force again so being willing to go hard to war with the party is absolutely something I want to see, because the last four years proved conclusively that you can not work with them. If it costs labour the next election too, so be it. The party cannot function with these red tories in it who do nothing but piss and moan and actively sabotage it at every turn if they're not the ones in charge. And it cannot function with them in charge because that just leads to it wasting tory weakness on loving around in the middle east and banning the concept of maths. We need a real left government and if we have go through every shithead tory in every party to get it, so be it. The country's had two decades of governments who have both done absolutely nothing to change the fundamental problems in this country and I literally can not afford to spend the rest of my life with them doing the same.
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ok. well none of that is helpful. Do you think RLB wants to lose the next election if it strengthens her position within the party?
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I doubt it, but faced with the likely inevitable choice between letting the right wreck our chances, for the third time, mark you, and ending that problem permanently? I know what I would pick. What would you suggest when they do it again?
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Then that's a problem because that's what you've got to look forward to. A lovely centrist who will waste tory weakness on doing nothing, or a proper socialist who will have to fight their own party to get anywhere. That's the choice you're making.
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Guavanaut posted:Because only tru natal wymyn can go into labour.  Guavanaut posted:If you changed 'woke' to 'right on' and 'genders' to 'sexualities' then literally nothing has changed since this: Sorry to bring this vile horrorshow back but.. As someone who's ancient enough to have voted when this was published (but didn't see it then) my brain is screaming - why the gently caress does the Gay Power! AIDs Power! scary monster look like Thatcher? I lived in Edinburgh under Thatcher, while we were AIDs-capital-of-Europe (good old days baby!), and it's giving me what I can only describe as Proustian cognitive dissonance, I really don't like it. Is this what a FNORD feels like? EmptyVessel fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Feb 12, 2020 |
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I'm not sure thats true. But ok. Like I've tuned out of this thread because I'm so cross that I bought in to the rhetoric here. RLB done right might not have to fight her party? Its why I think shes the right choice for party leader. But she needs to steer away from exactly the rhetoric you're pushing. Like even if you're right, she shouldn't mention it.
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I hate to say it but I have a horrible feeling that Boris Johnson understands power lol
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Ruth Smeeth trending on twitter. I shouldn't have looked. This is never going to go away until Palestinians are sacrificed.
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I still just don't dont get any of this
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Like I've tuned out of this thread because I'm so cross that I bought in to the rhetoric here. Which rhetoric?
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OwlFancier posted:What's not to get? That video is really recent and ruth smeeth is yelling at good labour people about how much they suck and, yeah the video cuts off as soon as they're about to come back, but just that this narrative has stuck so hard that they're so loving paralysed to respond. Bundy posted:Which rhetoric? That we were going to win I guess largely. That we could afford to be... i dunno not arrogant but something along those lines, about how right we were. Very depressing.
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Narrative comes first, there are plenty of people out there who only care about belieivng themselves right, and they enjoy yelling at other people in that perceived role. That's what motivates glinner, that's what motivates lovely libs whingeing about labour antisemitism. Actual material reality is meaningless, only that they get to believe they're right. This is also why it's important to believe in the possiblity of victory, because it allows you to occupy that role, it keeps you going, it makes other people believe you can win too, and when lots of people do that, it gets them up and going. The right thrives in the uncertainty and doubt of the left.
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Yeah I guess so. Apologies I'm not meant to be posting in here, I promised myself I'd only post again if something good happened. I only did it because ratty reminded me I was the third best poster in here. Anyway.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:That we were going to win I guess largely. That we could afford to be... i dunno not arrogant but something along those lines, about how right we were. Not sure I took away that we were definitely going to win as the general thread rhetoric tbh. There was a lot of optimism, sure and who could have predicted that Boris seeming inhuman and dropping every bollock he could in the media would make him seem "likeable"? No one bar the entire media and cummings I guess. Gotta keep hope alive, otherwise what's the loving point. Remember also, there's a lot of activists that post here, myself included and it's REALLY hard to do that if you're being dour and pessimistic. That said, breaks are also good. I've barely touched twitter since the GE and I dip in and out of here. I'm aware of what's going on but at a sufficient distance since there's gently caress all I can do about it right now and I've plenty of poo poo to do that I can do.
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ThomasPaine posted:I hate to say it but I have a horrible feeling that Boris Johnson understands power lol He knows that a good deal more than half the battle is giving the consistent appearance of being strong, confident and decisive (you don't have to actually be any of these things). Keep a tight rein on the media narrative, ensure that every news programme includes a soundbite of you saying something snappy and Churchillian and to the average voter who doesn't pay much attention you become That Bloke Who Gets Things Done and a safe pair of hands to run the country. The people who pen those well-intentioned articles: "Boris Johnson is a liar: Here's why" don't get it: the people who oppose him already know that he's a liar; the people that support him don't really care. This worries me about the Labour leadership candidates, they're all a bit too fond of trying to explain stuff, rather than relentlessly pushing the image of themselves as a strong, capable leader, which is frankly what really seems to matter in terms of getting elected. Johnson thumping the lectern and radiating cheery confidence vs a Labour leader who's constantly coming across as nervous, earnest and apologetic won't be a good contrast.
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They're running for leadership among labour members, which entails a different strategy than the government.
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I'm thinking more of Labour's media appearances in recent years, where they've appeared perpetually over-wordy and defensive. Like Ronald Reagan once said: "If you're explaining, you're losing". I want to see them treating the media as the rigged game it is: a good dollop of Tory cynicism would actually do them the world of good here.
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I think there's far more chance of that with RLB than with any of the other candidates, other than possibly thornberry if she's drunk.
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Darth Walrus posted:Angela Rayner also signed up to the trans rights pledges. Don't see any other leadership or deputy leadership candidates on the list yet, but that may have changed since I last checked. This happened to me. UC will sometimes backdate new payments by a month so it might look larger than expected, but it's worth checking back with them as they'll dock any future payments if you're being overpaid
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I'd rather live in america than the uk right now even with Donald bastard tromp. gently caress our country. gently caress Terf bullshit. Britain delenda est.
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Igotadigbick posted:I'd rather live in america than the uk right now even with Donald bastard tromp. gently caress our country. gently caress Terf bullshit. Britain delenda est. I have some bad news for you about trans rights in the us
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Ruth Smeeth trending on twitter. I shouldn't have looked. This is never going to go away until Palestinians are sacrificed. Oh god, why is she still here. There's photos of her campaigning recently on her twitter also, so it looks like she's still hoping to make a comeback in her seat. Does she have to be re-selected now that she's no longer the MP, or is she automatically the candidate? OwlFancier posted:Also what's the deal with the "a woman's place" thing, LGB alliance is obvious, I don't think you miss the T off unless you're making a point, but what's the other lot about? The view from my perch of privilege, being unaffected by this, is that they're an organisation that campaigns for women-only safe spaces to remain free of trans-women, for the government to run various consultations on the impact of self-recognition of gender and for the right of non-trans women to participate in debates about gender. They argue that women-only safe spaces, e.g. rape crisis centres, domestic violence refuges, etc. contain vulnerable traumatised women who might be triggered by people with biologically male bodies entering their safe space. They do not deny that trans women are also heavily victimised, but advocate separate safe spaces for them. Their critics argue that barring trans women from these spaces is discrimination, as it treats them differently from non-trans women, and that trans women are in great need of them, as rates of violence are so high. They point to women's organisations in other countries e.g. Scotland that spoke in favour of self-recognition as evidence that it's not a real problem. They also argue that non-trans women shouldn't be allowed to participate in debates about gender recognition, because the very act of debating a trans woman's right to exist is itself harmful. Needless to say it's a highly emotive issue for both sides. Time will tell whether it will help or hurt RLB's chances in the election. My gut feeling is that it might fire up her base but won't do much to win over Starmer or Nandy supporters. Prince John fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Feb 12, 2020 |
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Miftan posted:I have some bad news for you about trans rights in the us True, but it'll vary greatly by state. And honestly yes there are some really bad places there for trans people but on the other hand there's some unbelievably good food in Bozeman Montana so you know, swings and roundabouts
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At least some states have informed consent so I woudnt have to wait 3 years to be seen for an initial appointment 🤷♀️
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If you're right about this, it speaks volumes about the kind of people that support Nandy and Starmer. If you don't care or approve of trans rights then you're no comrade of mine.
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