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PawParole posted:So George Galloway has launched his own party. zero he is zero likely
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OwlFancier posted:Didn't know the moon had a CLP but fair enough. https://workerspartybritain.org/about/ people said that Boris would never be PM, corbyn would never be leader of Labour and Brexit would never happen. He looks like he should appeal to a lot of (whatever your rust-belt is called). the north... east i'm guessing?
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Feb 12, 2020 22:38
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I've been burnt out for months at my current job so I took this week off to relax, currently spending a lot of time watching TNG, eating B&J and trying to not feel guilty about it or check my work email. (I've definitely done both)
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Feb 12, 2020 22:39
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PawParole posted:https://workerspartybritain.org/about/ The UK has more dumb tankie/trot/whatever groups than you can count on both hands, they never amount to anything because, unfortunately, my home is not actually full of militant commies, it's mostly full of crusty old farts who bought their council house and have voted tory since blair was elected.
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Feb 12, 2020 22:41
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PawParole posted:https://workerspartybritain.org/about/ when you say you know nothing about UK politics you're clearly not kidding
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Feb 12, 2020 22:45
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OwlFancier posted:The UK has more dumb tankie/trot/whatever groups than you can count on both hands, they never amount to anything because, unfortunately, my home is not actually full of militant commies, it's mostly full of crusty old farts who bought their council house and have voted tory since blair was elected. here in minnesota a libertarian wrestler beat both the republicans and DFL to become governor. ( Galloway's co-worker on RT) he could steal votes from Labour in the North East. I doubt they've been voting Tory since Blair, otherwise, where did Brown's government get it's seats?
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Feb 12, 2020 22:46
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How... do you think gordon brown became prime minister..?
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Feb 12, 2020 22:47
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PawParole posted:where did Brown's government get it's seats? hahahahaha maybe try listening to one of the actual UK people telling you what UK politics is like rather than assuming you know better
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Feb 12, 2020 22:48
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In case you didn't get it, gordon brown never won an election. For context, UKIP throughout its entire history managed to win... one seat I think? The UK electoral system does not brook new parties even under historically poor performances. The last new party was the SDP in the 80's which split from labour and merged into the lib dems to maintain viability.
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Feb 12, 2020 22:50
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Julio Cruz posted:hahahahaha so brown didn't have any of those seats that Labour lost in the last election? How did he form a minority goverment if he had no seats in the labour heartlands?
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Feb 12, 2020 22:50
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PawParole posted:so brown didn't have any of those seats that Labour lost in the last election? How did he form a minority goverment if he had no seats in the labour heartlands? Gordon brown did not form a minority government... Are you posting from an alternate timeline? Who shot Kennedy? Is Norman Tebbit still alive?
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Feb 12, 2020 22:52
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PawParole posted:so brown didn't have any of those seats that Labour lost in the last election? How did he form a minority goverment if he had no seats in the labour heartlands? He didn't form a minority government, you pillock.
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Feb 12, 2020 22:53
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OwlFancier posted:In case you didn't get it, gordon brown never won an election. I never said he won an election. He had to have enough seats to pass a budget and aviod VoNC's right? Where did those seats come from, if not the Labour heartlands? there's no need to be rude. If he had neither a majority nor minority government then how was he PM?
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WhatEvil posted:We were just talking about job applications the other day: I'm still salty about a practice verbal reasoning test I had to do in the middle of jan. The way these work - you're given a block of text like you'd find in a poorly written encylopedia. With the text is a statement, and using only the information in the text you have to say if the statement is true or false, or if you cannot say. The problem is, these things are all bullshit, and the writers can't keep to their own loving standards of what language means Like in this one:  The explanation they've given doesn't actually have anything to do with the statement - it's just describing properties that Testudines have, and saying that they're therefore turtles. It's almost affirming the consequence (As in "Dogs have 4 legs, Cats have 4 legs, therefore Dogs are Cats") except they've mangled the text in their explanation - the extract doesn't say that "Testudines are characterized by a special bony or cartilaginous shell developed from their ribs and acting as a shield", it says that Turtles are. And if the explanation is garbage, it's useless as a training tool (also any recruitment test that you can train for is probably bullshit). Also, that's not what a collective noun. You wouldn't say "a testudines of turtles" like you would "a gaggle of geese" or "a fleet of ships" - they're acting like "Testudines" is a synonym for "turtle", but the second loving sentence admits that there's some ambiguity about whether Turtle = Testudines, so something like "Testudines is synonymous with Turtle" is impossible to answer, because there's no option for "sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't". And then it turns out they nicked the whole thing from wikipedia: quote:Turtles are reptiles of the order Testudines characterized by a special bony or cartilaginous shell developed from their ribs and acting as a shield.[3] "Turtle" may refer to the order as a whole (American English) or to fresh-water and sea-dwelling testudines (British English).[4] The order Testudines includes both extant (living) and extinct species. The earliest known members of this group date from the Middle Jurassic,[1] making turtles one of the oldest reptile groups and a more ancient group than snakes or crocodilians. Of the 356 known species[2] alive today, some are highly endangered.[2] Oh except they removed the bit that made the ambiguity explicit. Cunts.
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PawParole posted:I never said he won an election. He had to have enough seats to pass a budget and aviod VoNC's right? Where did those seats come from, if not the Labour heartlands? You're operating from some absolutely loving gigantic misconceptions that might best be remedied by a trip to Gordon Brown's Wikipedia page.
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Feb 12, 2020 22:55
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PawParole posted:I never said he won an election. He had to have enough seats to pass a budget and aviod VoNC's right? Where did those seats come from, if not the Labour heartlands? Tony Blair resigned as prime minister, but this does not trigger an election. Labour lost the 2010 election because of Blair's terrible governance and leaving Brown with all the poo poo he'd managed to pile up under his godawful tenure. The vote shares in the north east nosedived under blair and has continued to fall since, and what we are now seeing is the culmination of that trend combined with demographic hollowing because there's no work up here. Therefore it is populated disproportionately by the old and miserable and tory.
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Feb 12, 2020 22:56
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PawParole posted:I never said he won an election. He had to have enough seats to pass a budget and aviod VoNC's right? Where did those seats come from, if not the Labour heartlands? OwlFancier posted:Are you posting from an alternate timeline? Who shot Kennedy? OwlFancier posted:Norman Tebbit
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Feb 12, 2020 22:57
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It's also worth noting that Labour's vote-share has remained roughly the same in the 'red wall' since 2001. They held on through low turnout and a lack of a popular, unified opposition. Once that came along, those same old few thousand votes weren't enough any more.
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Feb 12, 2020 22:58
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that was a hell of a turnaround from "I don't know anything about UK politics" to "actually no I'm right you're wrong" why would you bother asking people what they think if you're immediately going to disregard everything they say
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Feb 12, 2020 22:59
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I was actually very tempted to suggest that norman tebbit shot kennedy so I'm glad that someone else did too 
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Julio Cruz posted:that was a hell of a turnaround from "I don't know anything about UK politics" to "actually no I'm right you're wrong" I literally live in the locus of the area you're describing lol, we are not overflowing with bolsheviks just waiting for gorgeous george to come and lead us to electoral victory.
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Borrovan posted:For those without institutional access If anyone ever needs institution access to anything just pm me 
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but he had the seats. I never said he was ever elected, you guys are literally arguing past my point, I said he had enough seats to be PM, that at least some people in the northest had to have been socialists who voted labour, since they returned Dennis Skinner for year after year, and that Labour should watch to make sure Galloway doesn't split the vote or win seats in the north. I don't pretend to understand how things work on your sinking gloomy isle, but even a dumbass american like me who's brainpan is filled with corn-syrup understands that you must have a majority of seats to be Prime Minister
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Feb 12, 2020 23:03
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the problem is that you came in here professing ignorance, asked a question which was answered, and now you're trying to tell people who evidently know more about the subject than you that their answer is wrong ps Bolsover is not in the north-east
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Feb 12, 2020 23:07
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PawParole posted:but he had the seats. I never said he was ever elected, you guys are literally arguing past my point, I said he had enough seats to be PM, that at least some people in the northest had to have been socialists who voted labour, since they returned Dennis Skinner for year after year, and that Labour should watch to make sure Galloway doesn't split the vote or win seats in the north. Bolsover is a hundred and fifty miles from london...
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Feb 12, 2020 23:07
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The election that gave Labour enough seats for Brown to be PM was conducted under Blair. Skinner was a special case in that he was the last holdover of the old coal miners' union sector of Labour and was popular locally. But the North East wasn't and isn't Midlands mining towns.
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Feb 12, 2020 23:07
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PawParole posted:but he had the seats. I never said he was ever elected, you guys are literally arguing past my point, I said he had enough seats to be PM, that at least some people in the northest had to have been socialists who voted labour, since they returned Dennis Skinner for year after year, and that Labour should watch to make sure Galloway doesn't split the vote or win seats in the north. A governing party can choose a new prime minister for itself without holding a general election. They're not a president, they're just the guy the majority party puts in charge.
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Feb 12, 2020 23:08
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Seriously go on wikipedia and screenshot the map of the UK because I want to know what timeline you're posting from where gordon brown formed a minority government in 2010 because bolsover-on-tees voted in dennis skinner.
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Feb 12, 2020 23:09
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PawParole posted:https://workerspartybritain.org/about/ He's tried this in the last two election and managed to got 2k in Manchester and then less than 500 in West Brom - everyone has figured out he's a loving grifter and teaming up the North Korea defending actual Stalinists who think he can actually lend them some charisma ain't gonna help
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Feb 12, 2020 23:11
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I mean as far as I can see this party isn't even registered yet and has links across the bottom promoting his Russia Today talk show.
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Feb 12, 2020 23:12
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Darth Walrus posted:A governing party can choose a new prime minister for itself without holding a general election. They're not a president, they're just the guy the majority party puts in charge. I thought you could only have Majority or Minority governments in bung-a-bob-for-a-Big-Ben-bong land.
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Feb 12, 2020 23:12
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Yes, blair won the election, but he resigned afterwards, brown then took over the government because the prime minister is not the president, and continued to run it until 2010, at which point he lost, to david cameron... Nobody voted for a gordon brown government. Imagine the president doesn't exist and all you have is congress, and the person in charge of the biggest party in congress does the president's job. That's how it works.
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Feb 12, 2020 23:14
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Basically, you're having a tough time getting your questions answered because the fundamental premises you're operating from are false. It's like you're going into a USPOL thread and asking what Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's campaign strategy was that allowed her to win over Californian voters to elect her as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
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Darth Walrus posted:Basically, you're having a tough time getting your questions answered because the fundamental premises you're operating from are false. It's like you're going into a USPOL thread and asking what Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's campaign strategy was that allowed her to win over Californian voters to elect her as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. the question was answered, it's just that apparently our American friend didn't like the answer they got
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quote:In case you didn't get it, gordon brown never won an election... I can't tell if this is master level trolling or just americangeopolitics.txt.
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Feb 12, 2020 23:24
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Is a parliamentary system genuinely that hard to understand? It's just the presidential system with fewer parts.
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Feb 12, 2020 23:27
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It's more that he's obviously confusing Gordon Broon of the Poond with Cameron. E: Obligatory https://twitter.com/wolfdancer/status/1007729158473027584 RockyB fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Feb 12, 2020 |
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Feb 12, 2020 23:29
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But that makes no sense because then you'd have to assume labour was in government until 2015...
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Feb 12, 2020 23:30
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RockyB posted:It's more that he's obviously confusing Gordon Broon of the Poond with Cameron.
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Just caught up with the thread and without wanting to restart anything I enjoyed Saith going off on one. Though points deducted for not mentioning the 'treachery of the blue books.' Also the real historic problem for Wales and the whole of the UK, the loving liberals (Welsh liberals really hosed Wales over). When are we working class going to get out poo poo together and push them all into the sea? I'm currently free Sunday. I'm really glad HS2 is going ahead.
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