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FRINGE posted:They just patched like 99 vulnerabilities yesterday, and some of them included work on the search indexer. Make sure your updates ran and rebooted and see what happens?
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Nope, no change on either machine running 1909. Goddamnit.
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Feb 13, 2020 00:57
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Less Fat Luke posted:Nope, no change on either machine running 1909. Goddamnit. you can download it manually if you want e: or if what you mean is search is still broken, follow the link in this post repiv posted:Windows 10 start menu searching is broken for everyone due to a bug in the Bing integration, which you can't disable without digging into the registry
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Feb 13, 2020 01:17
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Does the Windows 10 "Alarms & Clock" app not have a functioning snooze for anyone else? I hit "snooze" and it never re-alerts. Not a huge deal, but I'd expect this very basic feature of a very basic app to work.
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Feb 13, 2020 01:22
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Klyith posted:e: or if what you mean is search is still broken, follow the link in this post
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Feb 13, 2020 01:38
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doctorfrog posted:Does the Windows 10 "Alarms & Clock" app not have a functioning snooze for anyone else? I hit "snooze" and it never re-alerts. Not a huge deal, but I'd expect this very basic feature of a very basic app to work. "That app is built on top of very robust and tested foundation of UWP. Main features of UWP include: stability, dependability, working 100% of the time and not breaking." I suggest finding an alarm app that was written before introduction of Windows 8. As everything that uses the modern apis is prone to breakage. The whole foundation of Metro/Modern/UWP is essentially Sinofskys revenge for not becoming CEO of Microsoft.
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Feb 13, 2020 02:39
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Yeah I'm using largely the same apps I was using a decade ago because everything new sucks poo poo. On occasion I'll try something from the Windows Store to see if it can replace one of my crusty old Win32 apps and they always have some kind of frustrating limitation or totally bizarre interface or a huge ad somewhere. This whole Metro thing was a huge mistake. Even my Settings app crashes sometimes.
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Feb 13, 2020 02:48
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The windows 7 update window (among others) is better in every possible way than the dogshit in 10. the latter expends way more screen space to give the user less options. Is there a name for this thing?  ie, the condition where a screen is vertically shorter than a menu that has to exist on it, so it creates those little arrows to scroll. that's one of photoshop's gigantic menus but it's not hard to beat the vertical res on that screen without them*  I ask because it won't respond to the scroll wheel at all, you have to manually click on those, and that's amazingly stupid. I'm wondering if that's a bug or something that can be tweaked, and the name of that thing will sure help me google it * I'd sure love to trim the poo poo on that second menu but, to callback to the first half of this post, I don't know where that button is in 10
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Feb 13, 2020 04:18
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Does w10 tell me what prevents my computer from going to sleep? Its set and is generally successful at sleeping after 15 minutes. I know i can run sleepstudy to see why it will wake etc but is there a way to see what prevents it? some log like "Sleep mode attempted but haulted because of fault in PID xxxx" or some bs
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Feb 13, 2020 14:44
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Statutory Ape posted:Does w10 tell me what prevents my computer from going to sleep? you can see what's stopping sleep with powercfg /requests in an admin command prompt But I don't think it logs a record of what prevented sleep anywhere. (it's like, while anything has an ongoing no-sleep request the OS doesn't even attempt to sleep.) So you'd have to just run that any time you think the PC should have slept but didn't. Javid posted:* I'd sure love to trim the poo poo on that second menu but, to callback to the first half of this post, I don't know where that button is in 10 I'd start looking in all the programs that have crapped up your right-click menus for options like "install explorer extension" or "integrate shell context menu" or things like that. You can also do this with registry editing, for programs that don't give you the option. The context menu stuff is one of the easier registry areas to figure out, everything is in HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT and it's organized in a pretty straightforward way. Or there are tools that can give you a slightly more user-friendly editing interface -- just be careful and maybe set a system restore point first. (Also those menus are supposed to auto-scroll by just hovering the mouse over the up/down arrows. But I think the last time I saw one of them it didn't work. It worked like that in 7, maybe another thing MS broke in win10.) Klyith fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Feb 13, 2020 |
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Feb 13, 2020 15:21
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Perfect ty that's this exact scenario. I suspect it was something specific , not a program. But if it was one of the program's I know exactly what was open so no news is still news ya know Tyvm for this it's exactly what I wanted
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Feb 13, 2020 15:27
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Next week, I'm planning to do a clean install of Windows 10 on new hardware (a NVMe). I've got a list of things I believe I should do. Pre-Install:
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Is there anything that I should add/remove?
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Feb 13, 2020 17:33
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You should remove those last two
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Feb 13, 2020 17:37
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No, you should keep them in. Automatic driver updates are bad, and fast startup is annoying to deal with. Running shutup10 should smooth things out too.
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Feb 13, 2020 18:03
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Fast startup is bad? Also you should download your drivers manually now and maybe install them while W10 is offline.
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Feb 13, 2020 18:08
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doctorfrog posted:Fast startup is bad? If you know the limitations of fast startup and have an easy method of getting into the bios with it enabled, I say leave it on. It makes a noticeable difference for me, it's not a huge benefit but it depends on what you have to do to get back into the bios.
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Feb 13, 2020 18:25
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Fast startup is 100% do whatever you want. I have it off on my desktop because I don't hibernate my PC and only reboot when required by OS or driver updates (which requires a true reboot). It's of zero use to me, sometimes an annoyance, and having a hiberfil.sys is a waste. My laptop I have it on because it hibernates so why not. I still rarely use it, just hibernate the thing. Auto driver updates off is the right choice for any gamer or enthusiast who can handle drivers themselves. Drivers from MS are often well behind for video cards, and are using the DCH driver sets. (Also when it's turned on it doesn't just install drivers, it installs apps like HP Smart and poo poo. gently caress off HP, I don't want an ink subscription.)
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Feb 13, 2020 18:55
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I have fast startup on, but can't get the super fast startup to work because I have a weird video card that doesn't work with it. But I also kinda value having access to my BIOS that's not gated by a Microsoft OS. I've debated disabling fast startup--in spite of its novelty--to save wear on my SSD, but the goon consensus on SSDs is "don't worry about your dang SSD," so I haven't bothered.
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Feb 13, 2020 19:13
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For what it's worth, I've installed Win10 on whole bunch of machines last week with the latest install media and there's nothing forcing you to make a Microsoft account. There are two "Are you really sure?" confirmation screens to click through, but the option for a local account is still there with the computer connected to the Internet. Fast startup has enough downsides for me that I would disable it, if you're not going to get any benefit from it. And on a NVMe it would give you a few seconds at most. BangersInMyKnickers posted:You should remove those last two  The only two times a windows update completely hosed my installation, it was because a driver update.I would not trust that poo poo blindly.
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Feb 13, 2020 19:13
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Whereat? I was doing an initial setup on a friend's machine the other day and I didn't see the option anywhere. There's some possiblity it was being cut off by the overscan on his tv but I don't think so.
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Feb 13, 2020 19:16
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I have installed 10 on literally hundreds of computers... and my own a few times. I have never once seen any problem I could point to Fast Startup being the cause. I am curious to what downsides there could possibly be... Other than the presence of the hiberfil.sys file.
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Feb 13, 2020 19:21
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stevewm posted:I have installed 10 on literally hundreds of computers... and my own a few times. I have never once seen any problem I could point to Fast Startup being the cause. It breaks shutting down (as in they stay on the "shutting down" screen forever) on some laptops, both of my previous laptops had that issue. Automatic driver updates also force install completely broken audio drivers on them.
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Feb 13, 2020 19:26
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Raygereio posted:For what it's worth, I've installed Win10 on whole bunch of machines last week with the latest install media and there's nothing forcing you to make a Microsoft account. It is probably an A/B test experiment that MS is doing, because people occasionally capture it happening but it seems pretty rare. stevewm posted:I have never once seen any problem I could point to Fast Startup being the cause. IIRC when it was new on windows 8 it occasionally did cause problems. People would install driver or service-type programs that didn't trigger full restarts and the thing would be broken until someone told them how to to use win+x or hold shift while clicking restart. Haven't seen anything like that for a long time though. Mostly it's just, if you never want to use it why have it turned on? It does make shutting down slightly slower. VV edit: ah, I guess in win8 it was different and that's why win10 doesn't have those problems. makes sense! Klyith fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Feb 13, 2020 |
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Feb 13, 2020 20:25
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Restart is still restart, it's only shutting down that's affected by fast boot.
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Feb 13, 2020 20:31
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pofcorn posted:No, you should keep them in. Automatic driver updates are bad, and fast startup is annoying to deal with. you idiot, you moron
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Feb 13, 2020 21:11
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Raygereio posted:For what it's worth, I've installed Win10 on whole bunch of machines last week with the latest install media and there's nothing forcing you to make a Microsoft account. There are two "Are you really sure?" confirmation screens to click through, but the option for a local account is still there with the computer connected to the Internet. you're also trusting that whatever driver you have installed doesn't have a hole big enough to drive a truck through, which can equally burn you. there are no guarantees in life, embrace chaos and updates
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Feb 13, 2020 21:12
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:you're also trusting that whatever driver you have installed doesn't have a hole big enough to drive a truck through, which can equally burn you. there are no guarantees in life, embrace chaos and updates  No one said you shouldn't update at all.ItBreathes posted:Whereat? I was doing an initial setup on a friend's machine the other day and I didn't see the option anywhere. There's some possiblity it was being cut off by the overscan on his tv but I don't think so. In earlier version of the Win10 setup it was a clearly labelled button, so Microsoft is being a bit sneaky with it.
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Feb 13, 2020 22:05
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always free ball
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Feb 13, 2020 23:51
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doctorfrog posted:I have fast startup on, but can't get the super fast startup to work because I have a weird video card that doesn't work with it. But I also kinda value having access to my BIOS that's not gated by a Microsoft OS. I was almost able to get the super fast startup working on my desktop, but because I have Bitlocker configured to prompt for a password it doesn't work because my USB keyboard isn't initialized. Not that I'd use those extra few seconds in any sort of meaningful way, but...
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Feb 14, 2020 01:03
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just install it, and if you have problems with a thing, disable that thing
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Feb 14, 2020 01:46
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Weren't spinny drives still prevalent when fast boot/startup came around, and were mainly why it came around? If so, what on earth is the point now, unless you're poor as a church mouse and still suffering with a spinny drive?
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Feb 14, 2020 02:39
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Hipster_Doofus posted:Weren't spinny drives still prevalent when fast boot/startup came around, and were mainly why it came around? If so, what on earth is the point now, unless you're poor as a church mouse and still suffering with a spinny drive? Zero point which is why it gets turned off for most systems I deal with. If I do reboot, Windows generally installs updates I put off so I get a slow boot anyways.
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Feb 14, 2020 03:02
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it's still faster? I can't even get into my bios with fastboot on.
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stevewm posted:I have installed 10 on literally hundreds of computers... and my own a few times. I have never once seen any problem I could point to Fast Startup being the cause. It's no big deal when you add a drive and it mysteriously doesn't appear until the next reboot, but it's a bigger problem when fast startup screws up dual booting. And I'm pretty sure I had a flash drive get horribly corrupted because it was removed post-shutdown, used elsewhere, and plugged back in before windows booted.
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Feb 14, 2020 03:15
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Say your wifi chip on your laptop screws up and is some intermediate state where it wont connect. Fast start makes the computer not reinitialize the wifi chip on reboot and it stays screwed up.
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Hipster_Doofus posted:Weren't spinny drives still prevalent when fast boot/startup came around, and were mainly why it came around? Yeah, win8 was released right on the cusp of SSDs becoming affordable for ordinary people. I bought my first one, a 90gb OCZ, right around then. $100. When MS was still working on win8 in 2011-2012 the poo poo was 2-3 dollars per gb. ItBreathes posted:it's still faster? I can't even get into my bios with fastboot on. Yeah, that's because at power off windows sends the same instructions as hibernation. The bios skips the normal delay to check for other boot devices and allowing you to press the delete key, and just slams straight to windows. It could do that every time. But the point is with SSDs booting is like a 5 second process, fast boot shaves a second from the bios screen and a second from the OS boot. With HDDs you gain way more time.
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Feb 14, 2020 04:21
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The absolute lack of self-awareness here with people complaining about the OS not being reliable or having problems, then intentionally screwing with the thing to make their system an edge case that MS can't reasonably account for in testing, and then complaining with their special snowflake Power User computer breaks is hilarious to me
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Feb 14, 2020 17:20
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So, there is no more way to boot straight into recovery mode, as in selecting safe mode at boot and such, with hammering F8 when Windows is about to boot? Really? The documentation says to abort boot twice, either by power down or reset, so it boots into WinRE? Dear God in heaven, if it wasn't for some applications I want/need...
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:The absolute lack of self-awareness here with people complaining about the OS not being reliable or having problems, then intentionally screwing with the thing to make their system an edge case that MS can't reasonably account for in testing, and then complaining with their special snowflake Power User computer breaks is hilarious to me
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:an edge case that MS can't reasonably account for in testing https://www.networkworld.com/article/2453929/would-microsoft-really-cut-its-qa-department.html quote:Would Microsoft really cut its QA department? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-23/microsoft-bug-testers-unionized-then-they-were-dismissed quote:Microsoft Bug Testers Unionized. Then They Were Dismissed https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/187407/microsoft-has-a-software-quality-problem quote:You see, Microsoft mainly relies on the Windows Insider program for fixing bugs on the Windows software. https://www.computerworld.com/article/2878026/microsoft-to-business-dont-worry-about-windows-10-consumers-will-test-it.html quote:Microsoft to business: Don't worry about Windows 10, consumers will test it quote:Windows Insider doesn’t catch a lot of bugs
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