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I'm not asking out of ignorance, but because I genuinely don't watch subtitled films a lot - but instead of remaking this for American audiences, wouldn't dubbing it into English be easier? Or is dubbing frowned upon these days?
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MorrisBae posted:I'm not asking out of ignorance, but because I genuinely don't watch subtitled films a lot - but instead of remaking this for American audiences, wouldn't dubbing it into English be easier? Or is dubbing frowned upon these days? Dubbing is very frowned upon. Much due in part to the actors no longer being the actors.
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Feb 13, 2020 17:28
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MorrisBae posted:I'm not asking out of ignorance, but because I genuinely don't watch subtitled films a lot - but instead of remaking this for American audiences, wouldn't dubbing it into English be easier? Or is dubbing frowned upon these days? Just watch with subs. https://twitter.com/thewrap/status/1213998533889556480?lang=en
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Feb 13, 2020 17:35
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MorrisBae posted:I'm not asking out of ignorance, but because I genuinely don't watch subtitled films a lot - but instead of remaking this for American audiences, wouldn't dubbing it into English be easier? Or is dubbing frowned upon these days? Some countries do do dubbing, Germany being the first example that comes to mind. Dubbing vs subbing seems to be a cultural thing for the most part, aside from subtitles being much cheaper than hiring voice actors. Dubbing also just tends to feel cheap vs a remake with native speakers, so that will turn people off. Also with a remake you get a chance to cast more well known actors and theoretically get more viewers that way. For example if you were releasing the original Force Majeure in America nationwide, you have to figure out how to market the movie to people who don't normally watch foreign films and wouldn't know the actors or crew. When they remade Force Majeure for American audiences they can plaster the advertising with Will Ferrell and Julia Louis Dreyfuss. Now they have to pay a much bigger rate to get those two stars and then remake an entire movie, but the line of thought is that doing that will get a wider audience and make up the money anyway, which the studio's don't think is possible with the original Swedish production.
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Feb 13, 2020 17:43
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MorrisBae posted:I'm not asking out of ignorance, but because I genuinely don't watch subtitled films a lot - but instead of remaking this for American audiences, wouldn't dubbing it into English be easier? Or is dubbing frowned upon these days? Beaten, but subtitles are a one inch barrier
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Feb 13, 2020 17:45
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The fact that the film has made over $30,000,000 in the US box office despite being subtitled is heart warming.
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Feb 13, 2020 17:52
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punk rebel ecks posted:Also, how did the previous home keeper not notice that the shelf couldn't move because there was something under it? Who put that under the shelf? I think it's meant to convey the urgency. She fears he's in danger since she no longer lives there and can't feed him, etc. She's in a hurry to move the shelf, so much so that she doesn't have the time to look around the room.
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Feb 13, 2020 19:11
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I don't get why people keep saying the poor family scammed the rich family. They are performing the jobs they were hired for! Completely!
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Feb 13, 2020 20:32
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Doctor Reynolds posted:I don't get why people keep saying the poor family scammed the rich family. They are performing the jobs they were hired for! Completely! People who lie about their credentials are generally regarded as scammers even if they do a competent job. Besides, there clearly wasn't a lot of tutoring or art lessons going on, even if the mom barely gave a poo poo what was going on beyond having sitters for her kids anyway.
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Feb 13, 2020 20:40
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Credentialism is bullshit though as the Kims make clear.
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Feb 13, 2020 20:45
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The magic of it is that they were bad at the jobs that the Parks said they wanted, and good at the jobs the Parks actually wanted Kiwoo gives bad tutoring advice but gives advice that sounds cool and makes him seem cool. Min was not a good tutor either, but he gave an aura of being cool and confident, and the mom said that she wanted Kiwoo to be up to “Min’s level” Kijung doesn’t do any art therapy. But, she keeps the son out of the mom’s hair, so she’s a glorified babysitter. One funny detail was that Jessica makes it clear that her services are not tutoring and that she is doing therapy, and therefore she need to get paid a lot of money. The mom nods, but it goes in one ear and out the other and 10 seconds later when the dad comes home she introduces Jessica is the art teacher instead of the therapist. Mr. Kim is actually bad as a chauffeur because he keeps taking Jose off the road to talk to the parks. But Mr. Park is OK with it because Mr. Kim knows how to kiss his butt and make him feel like a good husband by letting him talk to Mrs. Park about the care The mom, well I can’t think of any example of the mom being a bad house babe other than the mess they made when they got drunk Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Feb 13, 2020 |
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Feb 13, 2020 20:54
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Steve Yun posted:Kijung doesn’t do any art therapy. But, she keeps the son out of the mom’s hair, so she’s a glorified babysitter. One funny detail was that Jessica makes it clear that her services are not tutoring and that she is doing therapy, and therefore she need to get paid a lot of money. The mom nods, but it goes in one ear and out the other and 10 seconds later when the dad comes home she introduces Jessica is the art teacher instead of the therapist. I think that's as much about Mrs. Park not wanting her husband to know there are any problems in the home as anything.
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Feb 13, 2020 20:58
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I'd argue that parasite is completely a left-wing movie, and I'd also say that the theme is not "capitalism hurts everyone." The Parks absolutely are the Bad Guys of the movie, but it's not because they're individually evil people, in the same way that the Kims aren't protagonists because of their inherent pure innocence. The whole message is that the rich profit while the poor fight for scraps, regardless of whatever anyone's inherent morality is, and indeed applying morality to a sociological system like capitalism is inevitably misleading. The Parks are despicable because they more than anyone else have the power to effectuate change, but they don't, because they like reaping the benefits of power and privilege and are perfectly content to remain blind to everyone else's suffering. The Kims are complicit in propagating the system too, but unlike the Parks a single natural disaster leaves them homeless and destitute, which makes their perspective much more sympathetic. And Geun-se, the only character who attempts multiple premeditated murders, is also the most tragic and disadvantaged of them all.
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Feb 13, 2020 21:13
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saying this movie fails as a critique of capitalism is like saying a movie that critiques sexism failed because "one of the characters talked about how misogyny hurts men too"
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Feb 13, 2020 22:25
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Well looks like Criterion picked up Parasite and Memories of Murder
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Feb 13, 2020 23:32
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Sinteres posted:I think that's as much about Mrs. Park not wanting her husband to know there are any problems in the home as anything. Yeah, I thought this was a purposeful deflection, that it'd be shameful to admit their son needs therapy, but an "art teacher" supports the "child genius" narrative she prefers. youcallthatatwist posted:The Kims are complicit in propagating the system too, but unlike the Parks a single natural disaster leaves them homeless and destitute This was the aspect of the film I liked the most. The Kims are victims of class inequality, but aren't all that self-aware about it and are still invested in capitalism out of sheer misguided self-interest. They'd rather fight Moon-gwang and her husband for leftovers, because ultimately they don't want to dismantle capitalism. All they want is to succeed within it, and accept it as a zero-sum game as long as they happen to prosper. In an American context, I'd say this pretty well explains working-class Trump voters. The term I've heard is "temporarily embarrassed millionaires," working poor who vote against their own interest because somehow, someday they'll be on top. They fully accept that SOMEONE is going to be on the bottom, but this is fine (or even preferable) as long as it's not them. "gently caress you, got mine." It's the collective result of a lifetime of aspirational wealth as seen in media, and the repeated institutional lie that upward mobility is possible with enough hard work or positive thinking. Parasite is brilliant because it doesn't turn the Kims into, like, characters from Les Mis. They don't act like poor street urchins, and they seem like they have economic agency...but in actuality they don't. They aren't aware of the extent of their powerlessness until the end. Really, Ki-woo never learns, and that's kind of the biggest tragedy of all.
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Feb 13, 2020 23:40
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Xealot posted:Yeah, I thought this was a purposeful deflection, that it'd be shameful to admit their son needs therapy, but an "art teacher" supports the "child genius" narrative she prefers. Fuuuuuck. This reminds me, I knew a Korean family whose kid had autisim but they were in denial about it and never got the kid the developmental help they needed despite the dad being a medical doctor This was three decades ago, who knows if attitudes about autism got any better like they did in the US recently
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Feb 13, 2020 23:56
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From what I've been told, mental health is an even bigger taboo topic in Asia than it is in America and Europe.
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Feb 14, 2020 00:19
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Steve Yun posted:Fuuuuuck. This reminds me, I knew a Korean family whose kid had autisim but they were in denial about it and never got the kid the developmental help they needed despite the dad being a medical doctor Ugh, that sucks. Up until recently, I had a job working w/ autistic kids and starting as early as possible is so important, I have a more knee-jerk reaction to parents or people who are obtuse or purposefully ignorant about it.
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Looks like it's going to be a remake. Tilda Swinton is cast as the female lead in HBO Parasite I guess it makes more sense to do it this way, expanded story stuff needs to be attached to the main story, it would be a little weird to have an HBO series that's just side stories to a main story that's distributed somewhere else. https://www.theilluminerdi.com/2020/02/13/tilda-swinton-parasite/ Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Feb 14, 2020 |
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Feb 14, 2020 01:24
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Doctor Reynolds posted:I don't get why people keep saying the poor family scammed the rich family. They are performing the jobs they were hired for! Completely! No that’s dumb. “Kevin” is a useless tutor who just blows smoke up Ms. Park’s rear end. “Jessica” does nothing while charging for “art therapy,” even though she knows nothing’s about art, and there’s an entire scene about how Mr. Kim is a lovely driver. The Kims are bad and saying they aren’t is a hilarious galaxy brain take.
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Feb 14, 2020 01:29
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That kid does not need art therapy he just needs someone to pay attention and do stuff with him for five minutes, and Mrs Park straight up says she doesn’t care about her daughters grades she only cares about having a prestigious tutor
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Feb 14, 2020 01:38
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The Kims are bad tho for sure, but they’re also stuck trying to claw their way up in an utterly broken system, the daughter lying about art is like the least of their crimes by far
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Guy A. Person posted:The Kims are bad tho for sure, but they’re also stuck trying to claw their way up in an utterly broken system, the daughter lying about art is like the least of their crimes by far Depends on what you mean by lying about art. Pretending to have knowledge about it that she can use to help encourage the kid's talent is one thing, but convincing a mother her kid's mentally ill and needs help in order to squeeze more money from her is pretty hosed up. I think that would have come off as more monstrous if it hadn't been in the lighthearted caper half of the movie.
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Feb 14, 2020 02:22
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Love 2 poison domestic workers to smash the state!
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Feb 14, 2020 02:24
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In all seriousness though Parasite actually is a pretty left-wing film. It’s just a smarter left wing film than “the virtuous poors outsmart the dumb riches take 5000.”
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Feb 14, 2020 02:25
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It has a left wing analysis but none of the characters themselves are leftists and in fact the whole deal is that their circumstances means that they'll never develop class consciousness and instead just keep on hustling.
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Feb 14, 2020 02:29
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Sorry to Bother You is the best left wing movie.
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Feb 14, 2020 02:39
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Steve Yun posted:Looks like it's going to be a remake. Tilda Swinton is cast as the female lead in HBO Parasite That kind of seems okay news, Bong Joon Ho's worked with Tilda Swinton before in two of his movies right? I know that working with the same actors isn't indicative of future quality (looking at you Tim Burton), but he seems to know when he's doing good work with actors so he has them on for multiple movies like Song Hang Ko.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Snowpiercer is the best left wing movie.
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Feb 14, 2020 03:05
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My take was the most absurd, insane, evil plan a poor family can pull off is to live like the wealthy for a few weeks, the rich are just scum.
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A bit late but drat I feel like every time I see Malcolm Gladwell mentioned these days it's like "hello I am (expert in thing that Malcolm Gladwell has had an opinion on) here to tell you how wrong he is, here is my proof" and it's pretty amusing
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Yeah, I shoulda known better than to cite that airplane thing when I’d already read about problems with his other articles I got fooled into it because it sounded like it fit in with everything else I know about regimented korean social hierarchy from growing up Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Feb 14, 2020 |
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Feb 14, 2020 06:52
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 Decided to start watching The Housemaid on YouTube. Everyone sounds funny, as if it’s the Korean equivalent of the Mid-Atlantic accent
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Should the remake portray the Kims with all-black (or all-hispanic) actors and the Parks with all-white actors, or is that too heavy-handed
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Latinos who pass for white
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Steve Yun posted:Latinos who pass for white George Clooney as Mr. Park Tilda Swinton as Mrs. Park Andy Garcia as Mr. Kim ? as Mrs. Kim Would they still go with the Park son being obsessed with Indians, or would they make him obsessed with hip-hop culture or something "Mr. Kim - put this blackface on with your baggy pants and get ready to rap"
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The Housemaid is pretty amazing. It totally stands up to 50’d scandal movies like Double Indemnity
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MorrisBae posted:Should the remake portray the Kims with all-black (or all-hispanic) actors and the Parks with all-white actors, or is that too heavy-handed Do you think that the Kims equivalent all being from the same minority group would make the deception more obvious and the Parks' not catching on more unbelievable? I guess they could be a mixed family, not sure if that would help. MorrisBae posted:Would they still go with the Park son being obsessed with Indians, or would they make him obsessed with hip-hop culture or something Sorry To Bother You sort of already did that one tho. YaketySass fucked around with this message at 10:23 on Feb 14, 2020 |
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