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Kantesu posted:Honestly, the way Kat sees ether stuff kind of seems to confirm what Zimmy's saying. She tends to see things as what they do, rather than what they present themselves as. It's less that she can't see ether stuff as she forces it to be something understandable, despite its own best efforts. Her dealing with the eyeball and tapes in the ROTD are some of my favourite pages. https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1314 https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1345
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catapede posted:Her dealing with the eyeball and tapes in the ROTD are some of my favourite pages. Gah, I forgot what an emotional punch those pages packed. God, Mort forgetting her name...
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Feb 6, 2020 23:36
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We’re all very impressed Zimmy but this doesn’t really get us anywhere.
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This all makes a lot of sense Zimmy. Amazing.
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Feb 7, 2020 09:33
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This explanation explains nothing, which I guess is the point.
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I kind of want to see a coyotified Zimmy now.
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Basically it's stuff powered by being mysterious.
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Feb 7, 2020 16:31
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Noticed Gamma started snoozing a few pages ago. During all the gamma talk earlier I forgot Annie can also act as a heatsink. Double annies probably helps a lot.
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rannum posted:Noticed Gamma started snoozing a few pages ago. Well, yeah, that was directly referenced on this page: https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2255
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Well, yeah, that was directly referenced on this page: https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2255 guess I saw "we got time" and didn't bother reading the rest the dangers of skim reading
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If I'm understanding Zimmy's viewpoint. From the viewpoint of science, anything that can't be explained, aka "magic", is just the unknown just waiting to be explained. The pursuit of this, "man's endeavour to be God", forms the basis of the Court. According to Zimmy though, what makes magic, "magic", is that an explanation might not ever exist for these phenomena. From that perspective, what's eating Kat up inside is a fundamental incompatibility with her worldview that she might not ever be able to "set things straight" with the two Annies situation. Moreover, even if she were able to figure it out, she might not like the actual answer (since both Annies don't belong to this timeline, she might end up losing her best friend).
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Yeah that kinda makes sense. Annie's wrong that anything that science can't explain should just be called "magic". Kat is right that none of it is magic, but wrong that much of it will ever have a scientific explanation. But when it's a literal, existing god like Coyote using it... Can you really call it magic anymore? It's seemingly part of the natural order of things. Calling it "magic" suggests it's not. But you also have an actual god right there, so... Clearly science isn't the perfect system either. I can see why the court refuses to use the term magic (and why they're frustrated by it and prefer scientific methods). They probably came to a similar conclusion to the one Zimmy came to. In the end though it really depends what you mean when you say "magic". It's very much a semantic argument happening here, although those are important, as it could change Annie's and Kat's thinking about the nature of these powers and open up new breakthroughs. Annie is allowing herself to think of magic vs tech as very different things, and Kat is allowing herself to think of them as (potentially) completely compatible things, and neither is (probably) quite right.
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I get the impression that "Etheric science" has its own variant of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle: an etheric phenomenon can be either exploited or explained, but not both.
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Cat Mattress posted:I get the impression that "Etheric science" has its own variant of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle: an etheric phenomenon can be either exploited or explained, but not both. I was gonna say something similar. Sort of like pulling the curtain back on a magic trick. If you take it as is, then it's a legitimate magical/unnatural phenomenon. The dude is flying, he summoned a rabbit from nowhere, he actually cut his assistant in half... It's not a trick, it's an actual thing, even if it seems impossible. The unknown has no rules or restrictions, it can do incredible things, because there's no reason why it can't. but when you start looking into it, you start seeing the wires and hidden pockets and whatnot. Were they always there? Sort of, in the sense that they were retroactively always there from the moment you started looking. The more pieces you fill in on the puzzle of "how things are", the less room there is for the unknown, and the more reasons why it can't do crazy things.
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I honestly wasn't ready to see Broken Tony again, especially presented like that. It throws into extremely stark relieve where he was and where he is now. The dude hosed himself up bad.
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Warmachine posted:I honestly wasn't ready to see Broken Tony again, especially presented like that. It throws into extremely stark relieve where he was and where he is now. And it looks like Kat is about to throw herself down that same path.
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Kat is gonna use the Ether to connect all the robots stuck in barrier mode. A Cloud via Ether. An Ethernet.
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Kikas posted:Kat is gonna use the Ether to connect all the robots stuck in barrier mode. Booooooooooo!
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Really liking that art in the first panel! And I assume the person in the last panel is... Juliette?
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Coxswain Balls posted:And it looks like Kat is about to throw herself down that same path. Eh, I don't think she is going Tony, I think it is more Kat is a nascent Goddess and is going to start accidentally doing minor miracles and it is gonna piss her off the first few times she does something that breaks the laws of thermodynamics.
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Hempuli posted:Really liking that art in the first panel! And I assume the person in the last panel is... Juliette? The original engraving is such  imagery:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flammarion_engraving
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Yak of Wrath posted:Eh, I don't think she is going Tony, I think it is more Kat is a nascent Goddess and is going to start accidentally doing minor miracles and it is gonna piss her off the first few times she does something that breaks the laws of thermodynamics. Lol like she's not already doing things that are basically miracles
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Lol like she's not already doing things that are basically miracles
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Yak of Wrath posted:Eh, I don't think she is going Tony, I think it is more Kat is a nascent Goddess and is going to start accidentally doing minor miracles and it is gonna piss her off the first few times she does something that breaks the laws of thermodynamics. She's going to be pissed because she perceives herself doing something mundane and too obvious to be worth explaining, and everyone else is going to perceive her rearranging reality like it ain't no thang.
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IMJack posted:She's going to be pissed because she perceives herself doing something mundane and too obvious to be worth explaining, and everyone else is going to perceive her rearranging reality like it ain't no thang. This literally happened in the arc where they visit the realm of the dead
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Also when she freed Jeanne's lover. Don't forget that the trap device looked like an impossible maze to Annie and the elf but Kat perceived it as a set of handcuffs with a basic lever lock that Annie could talk her through picking.
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Yes, Kat, conjure up an altar for your extremely not-ritualistic event.
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Now comes the time that no one gets to forget these words: "Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality." You enjoy literally making your cult following, Kat.
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Kat should hurry up and initiate the Human Instrumentality Project, imo
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You mean the Instrumentality of Mankind project.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Kat should hurry up and initiate the Human Instrumentality Project, imo
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You can't have End of Evangelion because Tony doesn't have a Ritsuko to hear his line.
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Cat Mattress posted:You mean the Instrumentality of Mankind project. I don't think even the Court could handle Mick Foley
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I don't think even the Court could handle Mick Foley Dude Love, maybe if the have mercy. Cactus Jack, probably if they can handle the truth and consequences. No way can they handle Mankind.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Kat should hurry up and initiate the Human Instrumentality Project, imo Glad I wasn't the only one getting big "Gendo receiving the Adam embryo" vibes from this scene.
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I think we’re approaching the endgame here. The old robots are either going to be amazed by Kat’s new bio-body design or they’re going to freak the gently caress out. Either way I think we’re gonna see the robots finally become etherically active and it’s going to blow up the courts god machine.
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