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A Grand Egg
Jan 12, 2020

by Pragmatica

Klyith posted:

From what I've read it's a bit less precise than that, the stuff takes some time in advance to prepare so they have to make some guesses about what strains might be active. Also they naturally aim for types that are more severe to put in the vaccine. So some years it's like the vaccine is totally ineffective against the flu that everyone gets but it's a very mild flu so it's a win anyways.

They target specific things, and also only what they can actually target

I assume this is what everuone got in Australia around April - July

quote:

2019-2020 trivalent flu shot will contain the following strains of the flu virus:

A/Brisbane/02/2018 (H1N1)pdm09-like virus — This is the H1N1 component that is different from last year's flu shot.

A/Kansas/14/2017 (H3N2)-like virus — This is the H3N2 component that is different from last year's flu shot.

B/Colorado/06/2017-like (Victoria lineage) virus — This is the influenza B strain component that is the same as last year's shot.

The 2019-2020 quadrivalent vaccine will also contain a second influenza B strain called "B/Phuket/3073/2013-like (Yamagata lineage) virus," which was also included in last season's quadrivalent vaccine.

But this is what the NSW Govt used so....

quote:

The quadrivalent influenza vaccines for the Australian 2019 season contain the following four virus strains:

A (H1N1): an A/Michigan/45/2015 (H1N1)pdm09 like virus
A (H3N2): an A/Switzerland/8060/2017(H3N2) like virus
B: a B/Phuket/3073/2013 - like virus
B: a B/Colorado/06/2017 - like virus**
** not included in Fluzone High Dose® or Fluad® for people aged 65 years and over

A Grand Egg fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Feb 15, 2020

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poeticoddity
Jan 14, 2007
"How nice - to feel nothing and still get full credit for being alive." - Kurt Vonnegut Jr. - Slaughterhouse Five

stephenthinkpad posted:

How do this thing work?

A pulse oximeter uses visible light (usually red) and infrared along with a light sensor to measure the ratio of oxygenated to deoxygenated hemoglobin in your blood.
Regardless of why, if your SPO2 value drops below about 93% while at rest (it's normally 98% or higher in healthy people), it'd be prudent to get medical evaluation.
The caveat is that SPO2 values are usually wrong for smokers, since smoking exposes you to carbon monoxide, which creates false high readings. (So will carbon monoxide leaks.)
Having a pulse oximeter at home is a pretty decent idea if for no other reason than that you can periodically use it to check your pulse rate, and if your resting pulse rate has increased inexplicably, that probably warrants a medical evaluation, too.

They're cheap, they're easy to use, they're useful in multiple situations, they don't hurt (though someone with circulation issues shouldn't use one for prolonged periods of time), and it's a medical diagnostic tool that's suitable for some basic decision making in a potential emergency.

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017

I died from the virus last week and now am just a meat shell piloted to give bad advice on the internet.

A Grand Egg
Jan 12, 2020

by Pragmatica
IF YOU ARE IN WUHAN OR SITUATED NEAR USE THE Jay-Z vs Supreme Exit Chamber

A Grand Egg fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Feb 15, 2020

A Grand Egg
Jan 12, 2020

by Pragmatica

Peachfart posted:

I died from the virus last week and now am just a meat shell piloted to give bad advice on the internet.

I died from the virus last week and now am just a meat shell piloted to give good vibes to bad pussey

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017

Oh, the best way to protect yourself from the virus is to find someone who is infected and make out with them.

A Grand Egg
Jan 12, 2020

by Pragmatica
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Dely Apple
Apr 22, 2006

Sing me Spanish Techno


Nongshim treatment would be some of that spicy Shin Ramun that opens the nasal passages, probably would be nice.

Praise Korea's Hegemon

Nurge
Feb 4, 2009

by Reene
Fun Shoe

Dely Apple posted:

Nongshim treatment would be some of that spicy Shin Ramun that opens the nasal passages, probably would be nice.

Praise Korea's Hegemon

The Nongshim rating list is kimchi > veggie > spicy > seafood. :colbert:

ma i married a tuna
Apr 24, 2005

Numbers add up to nothing
Pillbug

QuarkJets posted:

Your inlaws have seasonal cold symptoms. They almost definitely don't have the novel coronavirus, you may as well be demanding that doctors test them for malaria.

I don't understand why it would be ridiculous to test them after travel to a place where it is know the virus is spreading. Several large US cities are starting to test everyone with flu symptoms for coronavirus. Since we know that the virus is transmissable while incubating, I think people testing people with symptoms that have travel exposure (even if not to the hotspot) shouldn't be out of the question at all.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

ma i married a tuna posted:

I don't understand why it would be ridiculous to test them after travel to a place where it is know the virus is spreading. Several large US cities are starting to test everyone with flu symptoms for coronavirus. Since we know that the virus is transmissable while incubating, I think people testing people with symptoms that have travel exposure (even if not to the hotspot) shouldn't be out of the question at all.

which cities have been performing mass testing for coronavirus in people with seasonal flu symptoms?

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

We also don't know that it's transmissable during incubation, the sole publication demonstrating that was discovered to have serious flaws, including that the case they reported as asymptomatic was actually symptomatic

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



QuarkJets posted:

We also don't know that it's transmissable during incubation, the sole publication demonstrating that was discovered to have serious flaws, including that the case they reported as asymptomatic was actually symptomatic

The data is inconclusive so let's err on the side of assuming it's no big deal

Computer Serf
May 14, 2005
Buglord

QuarkJets posted:

which cities have been performing mass testing for coronavirus in people with seasonal flu symptoms?

quote:


"CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) has begun working with five public health labs across the US to tap into their ability to conduct community based influenza surveillance, so that we can begin testing people with flu-like symptoms for novel coronavirus," said Nancy Messonnier, a senior CDC official.

The testing will initially be carried out by labs in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Chicago and New York, but more sites are planned.


https://m.medicalxpress.com/news/2020-02-people-flu-symptoms-coronavirus.html

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008


So mass testing hasn't actually occurred anywhere, they're just picking which labs will perform the testing eventually. Cool, that's what I heard too

ma i married a tuna
Apr 24, 2005

Numbers add up to nothing
Pillbug

QuarkJets posted:

which cities have been performing mass testing for coronavirus in people with seasonal flu symptoms?



Doctors in five U.S. cities will begin testing patients with flu-like symptoms for the new coronavirus, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Friday.

The coronavirus test will only be given to patients who test negative for the flu. So far, the testing protocol will be implemented in Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco and Seattle, though more cities will be added.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/5-u-s-cities-start-testing-patients-flu-symptoms-coronavirus-n1136941

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017

ma i married a tuna posted:

Doctors in five U.S. cities will begin testing patients with flu-like symptoms for the new coronavirus, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Friday.

The coronavirus test will only be given to patients who test negative for the flu. So far, the testing protocol will be implemented in Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco and Seattle, though more cities will be added.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/5-u-s-cities-start-testing-patients-flu-symptoms-coronavirus-n1136941

No need to test for the virus, it just wants to be friends

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

poverty goat posted:

The data is inconclusive so let's err on the side of assuming it's no big deal

Far from being inconclusive, the evidence strongly suggests that the virus does not spread asymptomatically, and the one publication suggesting otherwise turned out to be faulty. So we should err on the side of caution when it comes to being out in public because you really don't know who's symptomatic, but you probably shouldn't leap to the conclusion that your coughing relatives definitely have novel coronavirus because they were in the same state as an asymptomatic person, that's goofy agoraphobia nonsense

ma i married a tuna
Apr 24, 2005

Numbers add up to nothing
Pillbug

QuarkJets posted:

Far from being inconclusive, the evidence strongly suggests that the virus does not spread asymptomatically, and the one publication suggesting otherwise turned out to be faulty. So we should err on the side of caution when it comes to being out in public because you really don't know who's symptomatic, but you probably shouldn't leap to the conclusion that your coughing relatives definitely have novel coronavirus because they were in the same state as an asymptomatic person, that's goofy agoraphobia nonsense

I didn't do that. I said I thought it would be reasonable to test them after they tested negative for flu, which is exactly what major cities are doing for people without travel history. Your condescending tone is not matched by good reading skills.

Jamsta
Dec 16, 2006

Oh you want some too? Fuck you!

Daily numbers in

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1228808084912529408

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

ma i married a tuna posted:

I didn't do that. I said I thought it would be reasonable to test them after they tested negative for flu, which is exactly what major cities are doing for people without travel history. Your condescending tone is not matched by good reading skills.

If you don't think that they may have it then what would be the point of testing them?

Computer Serf
May 14, 2005
Buglord

QuarkJets posted:

If you don't think that they may have it then what would be the point of testing them?

maybe try thinking for a second instead of contrarian shitposting

the term is “influenza like illness”, and when someone is symptomatic and tests negative for the flu it means they’re infected with something else, thus testing for ncov etc begins

Ratios and Tendency
Apr 23, 2010

:swoon: MURALI :swoon:


OK so should I avoid contact with pangolins or bats? Which is it?

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Ratios and Tendency posted:

OK so should I avoid contact with pangolins or bats? Which is it?

You should probably just avoid all lizards and bugs just to be sure.

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017

Computer Serf posted:

maybe try thinking for a second instead of contrarian shitposting

the term is “influenza like illness”, and when someone is symptomatic and tests negative for the flu it means they’re infected with something else, thus testing for ncov etc begins

Yup, should test all of the 10 billion people who get the flu each year, with the lovely test that has a bunch of false positives. No issues at all with this.

Luckyellow
Sep 25, 2007

Pillbug

Peachfart posted:

Yup, should test all of the 10 billion people who get the flu each year, with the lovely test that has a bunch of false positives. No issues at all with this.

Isn't the problem with the tests not false positives but false negatives?

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Luckyellow posted:

Isn't the problem with the tests not false positives but false negatives?

False negatives are a feature, not a bug. Keeps the numbers from getting too scary.

Nurge
Feb 4, 2009

by Reene
Fun Shoe
Poz my false neg bathole.

Ruggan
Feb 20, 2007
WHAT THAT SMELL LIKE?!


poverty goat posted:

False negatives are a feature, not a bug. Keeps the numbers from getting too scary.

Bug Report Closed: Not a bug, way it works.

Enfys
Feb 17, 2013

The ocean is calling and I must go

Golli posted:

Well, I just got my flu shot. This way, when I get sick in the next couple of weeks I can skip the “It’s probably just the flu “ stage and go straight to full- blown panic.

flu shots take ~2 weeks to become fully effective because your immune system can't instantly produce antibodies

Ratios and Tendency
Apr 23, 2010

:swoon: MURALI :swoon:


Maybe your immune system.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Computer Serf posted:

maybe try thinking for a second instead of contrarian shitposting

the term is “influenza like illness”, and when someone is symptomatic and tests negative for the flu it means they’re infected with something else, thus testing for ncov etc begins

when a person with cold symptoms tests negative for flu, the next most likely outcome is that they have a cold, not pangolin lung rot, especially for someone who is at astronomically low risk for pangolin lung rot

what you're doing right now is the equivalent of plugging a couple of symptoms into google and then dictating the tests that you need to a doctor

Sushi The Kid
Sep 10, 2005
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poeticoddity posted:

A pulse oximeter uses visible light (usually red) and infrared along with a light sensor to measure the ratio of oxygenated to deoxygenated hemoglobin in your blood.
Regardless of why, if your SPO2 value drops below about 93% while at rest (it's normally 98% or higher in healthy people), it'd be prudent to get medical evaluation.
The caveat is that SPO2 values are usually wrong for smokers, since smoking exposes you to carbon monoxide, which creates false high readings. (So will carbon monoxide leaks.)
Having a pulse oximeter at home is a pretty decent idea if for no other reason than that you can periodically use it to check your pulse rate, and if your resting pulse rate has increased inexplicably, that probably warrants a medical evaluation, too.

They're cheap, they're easy to use, they're useful in multiple situations, they don't hurt (though someone with circulation issues shouldn't use one for prolonged periods of time), and it's a medical diagnostic tool that's suitable for some basic decision making in a potential emergency.

My Galaxy S6 has one built in via the Samsung Health app.

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!
More news from the plague ship

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1228855359906906113?s=19

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
There were around 3700 people on that ship wasn't there? That's almost ten percent

i am harry
Oct 14, 2003

and no surprise to anyone.

There Bias Two
Jan 13, 2009
I'm not a good person

Charlz Guybon posted:

There were around 3700 people on that ship wasn't there? That's almost ten percent

It's not surprising that there's a higher infection rate in a nearly ideal environment for a virus to spread.

Computer Serf
May 14, 2005
Buglord

QuarkJets posted:

when a person with cold symptoms tests negative for flu, the next most likely outcome is that they have a cold, not pangolin lung rot, especially for someone who is at astronomically low risk for pangolin lung rot

what you're doing right now is the equivalent of plugging a couple of symptoms into google and then dictating the tests that you need to a doctor

:shuckyes:

hmm influenza like illness symptoms are actually the common cold have you tried telling the medical community about your thesis here

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017

Computer Serf posted:

:shuckyes:

hmm influenza like illness symptoms are actually the common cold have you tried telling the medical community about your thesis here

lol, this guy is great

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coronavirus
Jan 27, 2020

by Cyrano4747
We Are All Gonna Die : Is Burt Dead Yet? - Cruise Virus Megathread

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