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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Picard had been in Starfleet for over 75 years at that point. He didn't know how to function without Starfleet. I think the last bit is backwards. He susses Rios out immediately as someone playing at Han Solo but is really just acting out because they are bitter at something Starfleet has done.
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It's left unconfirmed whether Rios actually was in Starfleet previously, but that he probably was, right? That seems like something which could be simply confirmed with a search in a database, though. I wasn't paying 100% attention to the last episode, but I remember something being said about Starfleet in one of his scenes again.
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Feb 16, 2020 12:20
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large_gourd posted:It's left unconfirmed whether Rios actually was in Starfleet previously, but that he probably was, right? He said it, he served as number one on a heavy cruiser but then stuff happened his captain was brutally murdered and he resigned.
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Feb 16, 2020 12:28
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Better not to engage *backs away from helm console*
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Feb 16, 2020 12:46
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People didn’t like the casino planet in Last Jedi? I thought even people who hated that movie liked the casino bit. It was great.
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Feb 16, 2020 12:47
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marktheando posted:People didn’t like the casino planet in Last Jedi? I thought even people who hated that movie liked the casino bit. It was great. Which bit exactly? The one they do not find their contact, the one where they park illegally and get caught for it or the hole loving piece of crap of the movie?
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Feb 16, 2020 12:48
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I liked the bit on the casino planet where they achieved that thing that was relevant to the rest of the story
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Feb 16, 2020 12:55
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marktheando posted:People didn’t like the casino planet in Last Jedi? I thought even people who hated that movie liked the casino bit. It was great. Very much the other way round. I didn't hate that film (it's a complicated mess) but that part sucked major rear end.
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Feb 16, 2020 12:57
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AntherUslessPoster posted:Which bit exactly? The one they do not find their contact, the one where they park illegally and get caught for it or the hole loving piece of crap of the movie? I like all the cool aliens, and the disdain for rich people in that whole segment. It's fun. 
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Feb 16, 2020 12:59
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Lizard Combatant posted:Very much the other way round. I get why people might like the casino planet bit, but it sucks the energy out of the main plot. e; marktheando posted:I like all the cool aliens, and the disdain for rich people in that whole segment. It's fun. I like those aspects of it, and think it could have made for it's own interesting movie a la rogue one or something, but on it's own it just kills the pacing.
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Feb 16, 2020 13:02
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mehall posted:I get why people might like the casino planet bit, but it sucks the energy out of the main plot. It does two things I hate, give pointless busy work to characters they don't know what to do with and undercut the central plot tension - the entire premise is the rebellion is basically facing a siege, their fuel is running out and they're slowing getting picked off. When characters can just leave and return at will it completely deflates this. See also, Sarek and Amanda turning up at the end of Disco season 2. Plus they achieve gently caress all in the sequence, and events outside their control just carry them along. Throw in some heavy handed messaging about the ruling elite that doesn't end up having any bearing on the plot and call it a day. But hey, at least releasing a bunch of donkeys made it all worth while (while off screen they're easily rounded up and returned to their pens).
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Feb 16, 2020 13:23
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marktheando posted:People didn’t like the casino planet in Last Jedi? I thought even people who hated that movie liked the casino bit. It was great. you're from bizarro world
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Feb 16, 2020 13:26
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Anyway, putting the best 21st century Star Wars movie aside for a moment, space casinos are mostly great in Star Trek. I really like The Royale, and obviously almost every DS9 episode featuring Quarks is great.
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Feb 16, 2020 13:29
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marktheando posted:I like all the cool aliens, and the disdain for rich people in that whole segment. It's fun. Disney laughing at...disney? Neat.
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Feb 16, 2020 13:31
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I thought The Royale was a better throwback to TOS than any of the season 1 attempts. It had that Twilight Zone, existential horror reveal that an attempt at kindness by the alien intelligence unwittingly created a nightmarish prison for its occupant. But it's not one I go back to rewatch, but that may also be because the episode must have played on TV more often than any other when I was a kid, the amount of times I must have seen that one... Lizard Combatant fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Feb 16, 2020 |
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Feb 16, 2020 13:36
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The Royale does have a TOS feel, but specifically one of the season 3 episodes where nothing happens
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skasion posted:The Royale does have a TOS feel, but specifically one of the season 3 episodes where nothing happens Yeah, it's all plot and no real theme or character. Charitably, it's "light fun".
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Feb 16, 2020 14:39
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just another posted:So far this has been a series of boring "What if fantasy but SCI-FI???" mmorpg cutscenes and I guess what I"m saying is we were better off when gamers were marginalized. Bad news: Star trek has always been fantasy. Subspace isn't real dickhead.
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Feb 16, 2020 14:54
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nine-gear crow posted:I mean, ya’ll can keep being weird and miserable about it. Me? I watch Legends of Tomorrow, the dumbest and funnest show on TV at this current moment in history. So I’m all for Trek getting on its level and going full bore Star Trek: An Excuse To Dress Like Space Pimps. This is why I have so little time for the toxic fans we have to put up with. There's no sign a lot of the most vocal gatekeepers ever intended to try and engage with the programme. In fact past experience would indicate they didn't. That bullet point list of bollocks above could be copy pasted into any genre show thread in TVIV over the last fifteen years. It's miserable shits making GBS threads miserably.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Bad news: Star trek has always been fantasy. Subspace isn't real dickhead. I don't agree with the poster you're quoting at all, but equating fantasy the noun with fantasy genre is pretty disingenuous.
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Feb 16, 2020 15:07
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Lizard Combatant posted:I don't agree with the poster you're quoting at all, but equating fantasy the noun with fantasy genre is pretty disingenuous. They probably do mean fantasy the genre; Star Trek has space elves, space dwarves, space orcs, space lizardmen, dickass space gods, space zombies, and space legendary swords
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Feb 16, 2020 15:17
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Lizard Combatant posted:But hey, at least releasing a bunch of donkeys made it all worth while (while off screen they're easily rounded up and returned to their pens). Wow way to miss the CENTRAL THEME OF THE FILM. The whole thing was pointless and the heroes' accomplishments were nullified offscreen. That's the thesis of the sequel trilogy. Better things aren't possible. It's an important theme in Picard too now that you mention it. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Feb 16, 2020 |
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Feb 16, 2020 15:29
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Them giving hope to broom boy was the will of the force and more important than what they thought they were trying to accomplish. I'm not even kidding, but that doesn't mean the casino planet wasn't the worst part of the trilogy
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Feb 16, 2020 15:47
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Ghost Leviathan posted:They probably do mean fantasy the genre; Star Trek has space elves, space dwarves, space orcs, space lizardmen, dickass space gods, space zombies, and space legendary swords These are all superficial and largely aesthetic similarities. And if you take this approach, literally everything is fantasy genre if you're reductive enough. What do you think the differences between fantasy and sci-fi genre actually are? Here's a hint, actual scientific accuracy is not required. I don't agree with that poster, I think this show is predominantly in the realm of sci-fi. But I also don't think the correct response is "but Star Trek has always been fantasy" when that's just not the case. It's a weak defence. The majority of it has been speculative fiction about societal progress reacting to advances in fictional technology and contact with fictional alien life. There is absolutely some genre overlap in old Star Trek (most notably the Sisko plot line in DS9 season 7), and there's definitely overlap in new Trek (prophecy, fate revealing crystals, etc...) Identifying this overlap isn't inherently critical, even if that poster personally sees it as such.
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Feb 16, 2020 15:56
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nine-gear crow posted:Though like Harrison Wells on The Flash, we have a potentially infinite number of Rios’es to replace him with if anything happens. Council of Rioses?
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https://twitter.com/headfallsoff/status/1228882176277712897?s=19
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Feb 16, 2020 16:06
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Star Trek is an office sitcom in space that’s also trying to be the Twilight Zone
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Feb 16, 2020 16:17
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i'd actually really love a series where the primary mood is just stuff like night terrors, where silence has lease, or any of the dream sequence/mystery themed episodes where some strange and creepy poo poo is happening in space. those are the episodes i probably re-watch the most out of any of them. never seen a show try to do this, really. twilight zone in space, yeah, but creepier. a lot of twilight zone episodes are actually pretty bland or light.
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Feb 16, 2020 16:22
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Yeah if anything people care way too much about what the Federation is up to. Shoulda kept TOS about it and changed the name and history every mention. The Confederation of Worlds, Earth Probe and Shuttle Co., Terran Saucer Fleet. Conquered Vulcan, conquered by Tellar, it's just Earth, there's a million colonies, we've reached other galaxies, we can't leave this one, Earth blew up.
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Arglebargle III posted:Wow way to miss the CENTRAL THEME OF THE FILM. Lol. JJ really took a poo poo on what Johnson was going for. I liked bitter Luke, I thought the the Ren/Rey dynamic in the middle was the best stuff to come out of the franchise in 30 years. But the most frustrating thing about TLJ is that it came so close but then walked back nearly every point it was trying to make. He gave the film's metatextual thesis to the antagonist which the hero rejects and everything plays out as usual. They couldn't even burn the jedi sacred texts without a shot to reassure us they're safe and sound on the millennium falcon. The Bloop posted:Them giving hope to broom boy was the will of the force and more important than what they thought they were trying to accomplish. Yeah I get that, but what an underwhelming payoff. You buried the lede too deep Johnson, no one has any reason to care about broom boy. And like I said, JJ really took a poo poo on it.
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Feb 16, 2020 16:25
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I really need to take a look at that leaked Colin Trevorrow episode 9 script, I heard good things. The ep 9 we actually got was still entertaining enough, but man it was disappointing how much they ignored most of Last Jedi.
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Feb 16, 2020 16:43
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marktheando posted:I really need to take a look at that leaked Colin Trevorrow episode 9 script, I heard good things. The ep 9 we actually got was still entertaining enough, but man it was disappointing how much they ignored most of Last Jedi. It's full of questionable choices and I don't have much faith in Trevorrow at all based on his past work, but it did have the advantage of actually telling a story. Certainly better than what we got, but still hindered by the hole TLJ wrote itself into - the only way I could see them getting out of it isn't the kind of film Disney are prepared to make. Luke haunting Ren as a call back to "see you around, kid" was probably my favourite bit. Lizard Combatant fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Feb 16, 2020 |
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Feb 16, 2020 16:52
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Episodes 7-9 are all dogshit. I'd rather watch Attack of the Clones than any of them. Episode 7 is a thinly disguised retelling of A New Hope. Episode 8 is a complete mess. Whatever Rian Johnson wanted to say or wanted to make, he hosed up. Episode 9 is just insulting, but it's also the logical conclusion to what was introduced in Episode 7. There's nothing new, just more and flashier and remember Chewbacca, you liked that character right? Come give us money you animals. Real enlightening that people who like Picard are trying to defend the star wars sequel trilogy as well. Out of reflex apparently, because there are THREE OTHER THREADS for that kind of pointless self-soothing.
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Feb 16, 2020 17:01
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I like Picard and think the sequel trilogy is absolute garbage.
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Thank you.
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I’m undecided about Picard but comparing it to the new SW trilogy is unfair, that thing is an abomination
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Feb 16, 2020 17:11
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galenanorth posted:counting the number of sci-fi casino episodes I can remember Original BSG: The very first regular broadcast episode - after fleeing mass robotic genocide - featured a casino planet.
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marktheando posted:I really need to take a look at that leaked Colin Trevorrow episode 9 script, I heard good things. The ep 9 we actually got was still entertaining enough, but man it was disappointing how much they ignored most of Last Jedi. quote:CHANCELLOR HUX The leaked ep9 script is some good poo poo  still better than JJ ep9 CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Feb 16, 2020 |
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Feb 16, 2020 17:16
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Arglebargle III posted:Episodes 7-9 are all dogshit. I'd rather watch Attack of the Clones than any of them. hosed up if true. Arglebargle III posted:Real enlightening that people who like Picard are trying to defend the star wars sequel trilogy as well. Out of reflex apparently, because there are THREE OTHER THREADS for that kind of pointless self-soothing. Imagine my lack of shock that the people who were severely upset by good movie Last Jedi also can't handle Star Trek doing anything different at all.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:The leaked ep9 script is some good poo poo Ahahahaha I totally forgot the bit about Hux being a secret Jedi fanboy who kills himself with Mace Windu's lightsaber. "he had lost the Star Wars" Now I wish they'd made it but with a narrator reading the big print. Absolute riot.
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