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Electric Phantasm posted:I know coincidences don't exist, but is it possible for it to be someone who sounds similar to Senku? It is possible but also it'd be really narratively unsatisfying so there's no way that's the case.
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Electric Phantasm posted:I know coincidences don't exist, but is it possible for it to be someone who sounds similar to Senku? Doesn’t seem likely since it’s the character with super hearing that pointed it out.
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Feb 10, 2020 04:25
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There is a simple reason it could speak in Senku's voice: Senku provided voice samples to it during their last chat. If thats the case, this is either a robot or a human with modern computers (or better) that can make voice modulators. Hell, the speaker quality means it may not be that hard. We can also safely say that Senku has the only Medusa right now, or at the very least, the mystery person doesn't have one because if they did, they'd just set it off themselves. Finally, we now know that the medusa that Senku has is what destroyed everything last time around, or if its not the only one, its capable of doing so. The implications of all of these theories are scary from an in-universe perspective, and exciting as a reader.
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Feb 10, 2020 04:27
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e: I am just dumb on all parts forgetting key parts of how this manga works
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Feb 10, 2020 04:47
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I think we can assume one thing about the voice: whoever or whatever it is, they are not susceptible to the medusa. Either they are a person in a special bunker or in space or it's some strange machine still operating after thousands of years. Otherwise, why set the medusa to petrify the whole planet? Clearly they don't know enough about the locations of the active humans to accurately petrify them all and are not willing to risk anyone escaping. If they were susceptible, they would,say, petrify that hemisphere or something, assuming they're not nearby.
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Feb 10, 2020 15:54
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They just keep this poo poo interesting don't they. And also it seems that the medusa having a limited acceptance range for its use is the most likely answer.
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Feb 10, 2020 17:28
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Is the fact that the Medusa has advanced enough voice recognition that it can parse a variety of users voices and even muffled speech (Ibara using it underwater) accurately, but also has entirely zero controls put in place for authorized users imply something? Like, if Ibara was secretly put in place to control the human population under his purview by the Why Man (a la King Spiral) then having it only work for him/his crew would make sense. But we can be pretty sure that's not the case and the device just works for whoever. Maybe it was never meant to be lost or needed again after the first petrification.
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Feb 10, 2020 18:03
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Yeah, it being so easy to use (and thus so dangerous) is a mystery in and of itself!
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Feb 10, 2020 18:10
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I don’t think this is the same device that petrified the planet originally, it’s too slow.
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Feb 11, 2020 07:21
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RatHat posted:I don’t think this is the same device that petrified the planet originally, it’s too slow. You're correct, assuming it doesn't move faster as the target distance rises. They specified the speed of the Medusa's effect to be a little less than 40 kph. 40 kph is about equal to 11.1 repeating m/s. Let's call it 11 m/s to keep the math a little easier.  Someone looking at the first episode of the anime can probably measure the speed of the beam as it goes around the Earth. I am not that someone. Inglonias fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Feb 11, 2020 |
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Feb 11, 2020 17:26
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Inglonias posted:You're correct, assuming it doesn't move faster as the target distance rises. They specified the speed of the Medusa's effect to be a little less than 40 kph. 40 kph is about equal to 11.1 repeating m/s. Let's call it 11 m/s to keep the math a little easier. Either way, impressive work
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Feb 11, 2020 17:47
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It could just accelerate as it expands
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Feb 11, 2020 17:49
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Cipher Pol 9 posted:I don't think that someone is the animation staff either, although given how detailed Inagaki has been I wouldn't be surprised if he gave them that information. If you're talking about the math I did, I literally plugged that phrase into wolframalpha for the answer. I did zero work. If you're talking about the animators or the author, carry on. M_Gargantua posted:It could just accelerate as it expands It could, but it hit the whole island when Senku was doing his math. If it was accelerating, his count would have been off. I think RatHat is correct that the pocket Medusa didn't freeze the world the first time around. The screenshot I showed said it would take two weeks to envelop the world at the rate it goes. I think that there's a supersized version in South America, which is where they wanted to take their ship the first time around. This island is just off the coast of Japan, I think.
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Feb 11, 2020 18:16
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Imagine if it was the pocket medusa. Just this slow wave of petrification that no one can stop or avoid and it's going to get you one day eventually.
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Feb 11, 2020 19:03
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Electric Phantasm posted:Imagine if it was the pocket medusa. Just this slow wave of petrification that no one can stop or avoid and it's going to get you one day eventually. A set up where someone set up the 2 week medusa would give just enough time to find a way to stop it, but just enough danger to keep moving and the drama that could cause. I could see it happening. Especially if they left the medusa away from the main group and lacked the acid to just no sell it again
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Feb 11, 2020 19:22
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New chapter with a bunch of different info dumps. People with petrification device tattoos, a meteor shower of devices, and... the MOOOOOOOON!
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Feb 16, 2020 17:52
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Let's show those bitcoiners how you get up there. Weird chapter though, like where did the samurai come from?
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Feb 16, 2020 19:34
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Darth TNT posted:Let's show those bitcoiners how you get up there. People thought it was Soyuz' mother when he was pulled up along with the crew.
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Feb 16, 2020 19:49
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Darth TNT posted:Weird chapter though, like where did the samurai come from? there are gonna be all kinds of random-rear end people in that water, they showed shitloads of statues when people first got there
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Feb 16, 2020 20:44
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVn1oQL9sWg
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Feb 16, 2020 21:58
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I just binged this manga over the last 24 hours. About a dozen chapters in I started going "This seems so insanely familiar to Eyeshield 21, these guys are pretty much Hiruma and Agon" and I looked it up and by God it's Inagaki. I'd been aware of the manga for awhile now but never looked too much into it, if I had known it was written by Inagaki I would've jumped onto board a couple years ago. The man is a genius. The whole manga is a nonstop parade of "wholesome" and "delightful". Really refreshing.
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Feb 16, 2020 23:42
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I'm starting to think that this may not be possible without a LOT more people.
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Feb 16, 2020 23:59
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The thing that interests me most is the fuel they're going to use because while I've read wikis about early liquid oxygen creation I still don't understand it
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Feb 17, 2020 00:00
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All the strong people are going to throw them into orbit using a series of levers
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Feb 17, 2020 01:24
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P84NiVGJsw
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Feb 17, 2020 01:51
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My idea is that the stupid loving AI set up a base on the moon, and then recreated the petrification devices and sent it down to the island. It probably realized the healing properties of the device and figured it would be a huge help to the island, it just didn't think that the villagers wouldn't know or have the means to remove the petrification because it's a buggy AI now.
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Feb 17, 2020 03:25
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I don't think they're actually capable of space travel. It'll be like the smart phone arc where they ended up with pretty much a portable radio, they'll create a remotely controlled moon walker and launch that to the Moon. Actual human space flight would be impossible without a decades long effort even for someone like Senku, starting with the resources he has.
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Feb 17, 2020 03:30
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Well, it sure seems that Rei / the Deus ex Machina AI from the side manga is a different thing than the moon villain, so the next question is whether all of this sudden radio traffic also puts Rei into action or not. It's a huge thumb on the scale that would give Senku a giant leg up. Even if it doesn't come into play, kudos for the side story cutting out a large window of time where Rei was effectively offline and thus not around to see the moon villain in action.
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Feb 17, 2020 04:12
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Please just let Rei fade into non-existence
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Feb 17, 2020 05:22
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Blockhouse posted:Please just let Rei fade into non-existence We're trying, but Ikari just keeps ignoring orders. Like father like son, I suppose.
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Feb 17, 2020 06:21
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I hope the AI side story stuff was just a digression and has no involvement with the main story.
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Feb 17, 2020 07:11
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profileusername posted:I hope the AI side story stuff was just a digression has no involvement with the main story. nope, its gonna be a vocaloid on the moon
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amigolupus posted:My idea is that the stupid loving AI set up a base on the moon, and then recreated the petrification devices and sent it down to the island. It probably realized the healing properties of the device and figured it would be a huge help to the island, it just didn't think that the villagers wouldn't know or have the means to remove the petrification because it's a buggy AI now. I don't think we'll see this happen. It's going to be someone new. Patware posted:there are gonna be all kinds of random-rear end people in that water, they showed shitloads of statues when people first got there  Which could mean the beam was activated first in Senkuu's time. Missed some people who were in space or spelunking or whatever, they rebuilt society up to a point where they matched the middle ages only to be hit with a beam again. Lurking Haro posted:People thought it was Soyuz' mother when he was pulled up along with the crew. So did I. 
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Feb 17, 2020 09:29
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Darth TNT posted:Yeah, but the way he talks it seems like he really was from Feudal Japan. you might be right but this *is* still anime. suika can turn into a morph ball and kaseki learned glassblowing by watching two morons gently caress up for five minutes
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Feb 17, 2020 09:40
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This latest development is kinda souring me of the story a bit. So far the plot has been fairly well grounded in plausible science development (ignoring some intricacies like the aforementioned glass blowing and making things like vacuum tubes) I can handwave the radio and powered ship fine enough. Just assume extra development time off panel. But space? Much less the freaking moon? I wonder just what the plot is going to be for the science advisor to sign off on it.
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Feb 17, 2020 13:53
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They have a space capsule already They just need to build a delivery system for it.
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Feb 17, 2020 14:31
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Crain posted:This latest development is kinda souring me of the story a bit. So far the plot has been fairly well grounded in plausible science development (ignoring some intricacies like the aforementioned glass blowing and making things like vacuum tubes) I can handwave the radio and powered ship fine enough. Just assume extra development time off panel. But space? Much less the freaking moon? We're building a smartphone! *Actually builds a radio* We're building a race car! *Actually builds a steam wagon* We're building a drone! *First builds a wired RC car* We're going to space! *Tries to restore civilization to a level to support an unmanned probe, other plot develops in the meantime*
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Lurking Haro posted:We're building a smartphone! That's fair, but "restore civilization to a level to support an unmanned probe" is still a crazy lot of development to the point that it feels meaninglessly far off. And the moon is crazy far away. Like way farther than most people can correctly estimate. It's roughly 400,000km +- 50,000km given it has an elliptical orbit. I just can't fathom a "well it technically fits the definition of the result we wanted without actually being that thing" solution to this declaration unlike the other examples.
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Feb 17, 2020 15:15
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yMy7JuGpJM
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Crain posted:That's fair, but "restore civilization to a level to support an unmanned probe" is still a crazy lot of development to the point that it feels meaninglessly far off. And the moon is crazy far away. Like way farther than most people can correctly estimate. It's roughly 400,000km +- 50,000km given it has an elliptical orbit. The distance barely matters, the hard part is getting to low earth orbit (i.e. the first 250 kilometers). Just getting there needs almost twice as much delta-v as getting from low earth orbit to moon orbit (9.4 km/s from earth to low earth orbit, 3.94 km/s from low earth orbit to low moon orbit). Even going from low earth orbit to low mars orbit needs less (5.71 km/s) than getting off earth in the first place, and mars is a lot farther away (200-400 million kilometers, depending on where in their orbits both planets are).
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