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marktheando posted:
There's so much to unpack here in one sentence. First, acting like "The Last Jedi was good" is a majority view. Second, asserting that people who didn't like it are very mad. Third, if someone doesn't like something it's because they "can't handle" it. Fourth, implying that the problems with Star Trek Picard extend only as far as "doing anything different." Since no reasonable person would demand that nothing be different in a new show, the sentence further implies that there are no reasonable criticisms of Star Trek Picard. Who talks like this? Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Feb 16, 2020 |
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Feb 16, 2020 17:28
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TLJ is good, Picard is good, what is with these cynical-rear end takes
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Feb 16, 2020 17:33
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Picard seems like a pretty good counterpoint to the sequels- taking the old stuff everyone likes after poorly recieved prequels and actually doing some halfway interesting stuff with it, and exploring underserved parts of the lore.
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Feb 16, 2020 17:34
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Picard Show isn't really doing anything different so far, it's going down a procedural generated list of stuff that Modern Space Shows must include according to market research or at least this is what it feels like
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Feb 16, 2020 17:40
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Tighclops posted:Picard Show isn't really doing anything different so far, it's going down a procedural generated list of stuff that Modern Space Shows must include according to market research or at least this is what it feels like Different as in 'not-TNG', not necessarily different as in totally unique. poo poo even noted good show The Expanse owes a lot to other sci-fi stuff.
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Feb 16, 2020 17:47
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marktheando posted:People didn’t like the casino planet in Last Jedi? I thought even people who hated that movie liked the casino bit. It was great. It was ok until I saw the race track, got excited for more pod racing and then it was just space horses :/
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Feb 16, 2020 18:05
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TLJ tried admirably to be different, but it was awful. But hey at least it was different
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Feb 16, 2020 18:23
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I can't wait till it's no longer cool to hate the sequel trilogy.
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Feb 16, 2020 18:28
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Cross-Section posted:TLJ is good, Picard is good, what is with these cynical-rear end takes Well you see, both Star Wars and Star Trek are very important and the only way to do them proper... *shits pants so hard a rosebud pops out*
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Feb 16, 2020 18:35
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What, exactly, was good in TLJ? The nonsensical conflict that could have largely been resolved with a brief conversation? The heist movie in the middle of a chase centered around “fuel”? The absurd cartoon aliens on the casino planet?
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Feb 16, 2020 18:35
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Imagine complaining about “absurd cartoon aliens” in a Star Wars film
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Feb 16, 2020 18:42
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FuturePastNow posted:TLJ tried admirably to be different, but it was awful. But hey at least it was different No it didn't! The director basically "oh, you expect this to happen? Well, how about.. the opposite? Wait why is everyone angry?" Johnson is the Vince McMahon of Star Wars, it's his fault RoS was even shitter than his poo poo movie because he left them nowhere to go. But Picard is good so WHO CARES about STAR WARS, Star Trek has always been better
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Feb 16, 2020 18:54
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nine-gear crow posted:I mean, ya’ll can keep being weird and miserable about it. Me? I watch Legends of Tomorrow, the dumbest and funnest show on TV at this current moment in history. So I’m all for Trek getting on its level and going full bore Star Trek: An Excuse To Dress Like Space Pimps. Can we just cancel the Star Wars talk? This is all we need to defend the show. Turn off your brains and reach for your credit cards piggies. Star Trek has always been bad, that's why this Star Trek is good.
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Feb 16, 2020 18:56
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Arglebargle III posted:Can we just cancel the Star Wars talk? This is all we need to defend the show. Turn off your brains and reach for your credit cards piggies. Star Trek has always been bad, that's why this Star Trek is good. Life is too short to be a miserable bore about everything. Have fun and enjoy things. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
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Feb 16, 2020 19:00
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marktheando posted:People didn’t like the casino planet in Last Jedi? I thought even people who hated that movie liked the casino bit. It was great. Lizard Combatant posted:Things that probably will happen: Lizard Combatant posted:I'll be very disappointed if Picard doesn't at least take to his role like the holodeck thespian and frequently undercover operative that he is.
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Feb 16, 2020 19:02
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nine-gear crow posted:Life is too short to be a miserable bore about everything. Have fun and enjoy things. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. It's true. Let me reiterate that I have been enjoying The Punisher and Narcos: Mexico to everyone. I did not require any level of irony or any mental evasion to enjoy these shows, and I get to talk to normal people about them at work.
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Feb 16, 2020 19:08
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There's a lot of fun to be had in just wingeing about things though too  i like the show but i also like pointing out all the silly poo poo in it
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Feb 16, 2020 19:29
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All this Picard made me go back and watch early TNG and I just want to call out what a magical experience it is to listen to these backing tracks where everything is that weird late 80s suspense synthesizer music. I’m going to try to pinpoint where it trails off because I definitely don’t remember it in the later seasons as much.
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Feb 16, 2020 19:49
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Martytoof posted:I’m going to try to pinpoint where it trails off because I definitely don’t remember it in the later seasons as much. Ron Jones was fired from TNG during the fourth season.
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Feb 16, 2020 19:51
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watching Star Trek: Discovery S01E01 In the opener, the Captain Georgiou could have just told Michael Burnham that they were using the trail to leave a message visible from space, instead of leaving her in confusion until rescue actually came. I don't like the Klingon design, but I can ignore it, and everything else looks great. I like the "inspiring exploration" talk in the first half Edit: It was going well until Burnham decided to incapacitate the captain and launch a pre-emptive strike, which didn't exactly end well in the Iraq War. I'll see how it goes when I have time for the next episode. galenanorth fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Feb 16, 2020 |
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Feb 16, 2020 20:05
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Lizard Combatant posted:What do you think the differences between fantasy and sci-fi genre actually are? Here's a hint, actual scientific accuracy is not required. It's a matter of aesthetics. If a character does an impossible thing by stepping into a magic circle, or touching an arcane artifact, or invoking a spirit, then it's fantasy. If a character does that same impossible thing by climbing into a machine, or pushing a button, or talking to a computer, then it's sci-fi. There are well-defined subgenres: high fantasy (the one with elves and orcs and stuff), hard sci-fi (getting the correct heat transfer coefficient of this aerobrake maneuver is more important than consistent characterization), urban fantasy (it's present-day but there's SEXY VAMPIRES!), etc. And of course there's plenty of room for overlap (use the Force, Luke), but most works have one aesthetic dominant over the other, even when borrowing elements.
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Feb 16, 2020 20:15
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galenanorth posted:watching Star Trek: Discovery S01E01 The Starfleet production design is pretty good in DISCO, but the Klingon stuff is really bad and drags down every episode it's in.
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Feb 16, 2020 20:29
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Martytoof posted:I’m going to try to pinpoint where it trails off because I definitely don’t remember it in the later seasons as much. Between Best of Both Worlds part 1 and Best of Both Worlds part 2. They went from good music to "sonic wallpaper" where you just get one note for five minutes.
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Feb 16, 2020 20:36
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Cojawfee posted:Between Best of Both Worlds part 1 and Best of Both Worlds part 2. They went from good music to "sonic wallpaper" where you just get one note for five minutes. Nah, Jones was still composing during the fourth season. I think his last episode was The Drumhead, and then he got sacked, and they moved to a rotation of Jay Chattaway and Dennis McCarthy.
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Feb 16, 2020 20:43
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Angry Salami posted:...what? Sorry, was in my cups last night. The Picard parts of the last episode felt very video game-y to me, like it's being written by people who learned about storytelling from playing World of Warcraft. I'm pretty sure I've played the "Absolute Candor" mission in many different games over the years. Also "Society of Highly Trained Warriors who you've never heard of but they're the traditional enemies of one of the most notorious and powerful factions" is extremely fantasy RPG sequel-tier writing.
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Feb 16, 2020 23:44
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just another posted:Also "Society of Highly Trained Warriors who you've never heard of but they're the traditional enemies of one of the most notorious and powerful factions" is extremely fantasy RPG sequel-tier writing. I mean sure but we know 0.00001% about non-outward facing parts of Romulan society
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Feb 17, 2020 00:04
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Timby posted:Ron Jones was fired from TNG during the fourth season. It’s not even that; I feel like there’s an evolution of music around the same time as the ultra campy uniforms made their way out. For sure the style of music changed after he departed, but even during his tenure I think we went from weird 80s synth mystery cues to more orchestral type.
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Feb 17, 2020 00:32
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tng's good music pretty much completely disappears after the end of season 3. best of both worlds (part 1 only) is the last episode with a memorable score, everything from then on including right through to the end of enterprise becomes berman's wallpaper aesthetic. can't remember where i read it but the idea was basically that the music should blend into the background so that you never notice it.
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Feb 17, 2020 00:37
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That dark synth in Conspiracy is great.
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Feb 17, 2020 00:38
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yeah the first three seasons have cool atmospheric synth tracks all over the place. it was probably thought of as corny or low-budget at the time, but with distance in time from the era you can look at it now and see that it's just much more interesting than the direction they decided to go in. really sucks you into the deep space vibe. it can give things an eerie or exotic character where in later seasons you wouldn't feel that because it'd just be some quasi-orchestral cloudpad hum sanding everything down into the established mould. you could make an argument the peak of it was what they did for the score in best of both worlds part 1. the borg had an actual theme which you just never hear again. it added so much to their threat, and probably did a lot of the work in establishing them as an iconic villain, but they just throw it all away.
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Feb 17, 2020 00:45
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Well you see, both Star Wars and Star Trek are very important and the only way to do them proper... *shits pants so hard a rosebud pops out* Why you pooping little wooden sleds kid? That's it. Forget what your mom says, I'm taking you to the doctor
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Feb 17, 2020 01:27
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just another posted:The Picard parts of the last episode felt very video game-y to me, like it's being written by people who learned about storytelling from playing World of Warcraft. I'm pretty sure I've played the "Absolute Candor" mission in many different games over the years. The show is currently a heist film, except where in Oceans 11 you have a montage with a 10 second cut introducing the crew members, here we get a full episode for each one.
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Feb 17, 2020 01:35
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lol @ the people who like Disco, Picard, and the SW sequels. Do you just enjoy everything that happens to be shown in front of your gaping maw?
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Feb 17, 2020 02:22
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Ron Jones is younger than I expected (he's 65), they could probably get him back if someone who cared about Star Trek were making new Star Treks.
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Feb 17, 2020 02:26
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Peachfart posted:lol @ the people who like Disco, Picard, and the SW sequels. Do you just enjoy everything that happens to be shown in front of your gaping maw? lmao at this post
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Feb 17, 2020 02:27
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Peachfart posted:lol @ the people who like Disco, Picard, and the SW sequels. Do you just enjoy everything that happens to be shown in front of your gaping maw? Evidently not, I didn't enjoy reading this
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Feb 17, 2020 02:29
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Powered Descent posted:It's a matter of aesthetics. I'd say aesthetics are the smallest part of it. But to take your example of magic stone vs machine, already you can see the distinction. The use of the machine inherently implies the time before its invention, the steps society took to allow for its invention and the changes that likely occurred as a result. But it will also say something about our own society in the process. Take something as seemingly fantastical as the replicator. The concept of turning energy into matter (thought only theoretically possible back when the replicator was conceived) takes an improbable possibility and extrapolates that if we were able to realise this concept, the ramifications it would have on our world would be so profound as to usher in a utopia. The replicator doesn't just exist to feed our hungry space men, it radically shaped the societal structure they live in by removing those basic needs from their day to day lives. The fight over resources disappeared, and the growth and betterment of humanity arose as a new driving force. In this way it posits something about our own world, that the unequal division of resources denies us the potential contributions of those who must still fight for their next meal. By contrast, the magic stone is static and unchanging. It's usage implies no causal chain of progress and it responds to ability or character of the individual. Fantasy will also often deal with destiny and fate (though this isn't a requirement, plenty of fantasy eschews fate), that there is a natural order that inevitably reasserts itself when challenged. One is not better than the other, they serve different narrative purposes. That's what I see as the basic difference between even soft Sci fi like Trek and fantasy. It's not about elf ears and lizard men. Is there genre overlap in Star Trek? Of course. But the show is predominantly framed as sci-fi and saying otherwise just to shut down an obnoxious poster is reductive.
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Feb 17, 2020 02:37
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Peachfart posted:lol @ the people who like Disco, Picard, and the SW sequels. Do you just enjoy everything that happens to be shown in front of your gaping maw?  Just let people enjoy things, goddamn. It’s not hard.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:
BUT PEOPLE ARE WRONG FOR LIKING THINGS ON THE INTERNET! DONT YOU SEE 
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