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"She's from a much stranger, darker place." "....the North?" Edit: I guess the baby wasn't Ada then. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Feb 16, 2020 |
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Jerusalem posted:"She's from a much stranger, darker place." *thunder clap*
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Feb 16, 2020 20:32
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Byron hiding behind Mary  Edit: Maxine Alderton has only written for Emmerdale and The Worst Witch before? Because so far this episode is really loving good (also I think the first not credited as co-written by Chibnall?) A loving CYBERMAN!?! 
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Feb 16, 2020 20:34
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Jerusalem posted:Byron hiding behind Mary Oh god of course Mary Shelley is gonna fight a cyberman. Obvious in hindsight.
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Feb 16, 2020 20:39
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Oh god of course Mary Shelley is gonna fight a cyberman. Obvious in hindsight. She's been standing in the background as the Doctor mentioned "A zombie is a walking dead man" and "A body with parts replaced against its consent"  Edit: Poor Fletcher 
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Feb 16, 2020 20:42
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More like Percy Dish Shelley
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Feb 16, 2020 20:50
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"Modern Prometheus", there it is! Edit: Eat poo poo, Byron, ahaha Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Feb 16, 2020 |
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Feb 16, 2020 20:54
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That was a really, really good episode.
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Feb 16, 2020 21:01
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Finally an angry-doc speech from Whittaker! Thought it was cracking - maybe not on par with Colonel Runaway, but definitely a good'un.
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Feb 16, 2020 21:04
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I enjoyed that! Isnt cracking my top 5 episodes ever or anything, but I did very much enjoy it.
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Feb 16, 2020 21:25
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Pretty good episode, and luckily "pretty good" is a massive leap in quality as far as this era goes. Thought it lost its momentum with some of the cyberman stuff at the end though, especially when it went all in on the technobabble and finale teasing. And I'm never a big fan of angry cybermen.
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Feb 16, 2020 21:36
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I was thinking that maybe the psychic paper didn't work because Shelley's filter was over-riding anything else, but then I realized it's far simpler (and funnier) if just getting wet was enough to make it fizzle out 
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Feb 16, 2020 21:37
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Really enjoyed that. Reminded me of Hide a lot, but with much better pacing so it didn't run out of steam halfway through. I'm curious if the ghosts Graham saw will turn out to be relevant. It seemed too big a part of the episode to just be a "maybe magic is real after all!" moment. Jerusalem posted:I was thinking that maybe the psychic paper didn't work because Shelley's filter was over-riding anything else, but then I realized it's far simpler (and funnier) if just getting wet was enough to make it fizzle out Didn't Shakespeare see through it too back in series 3? I assumed it was calling back to that, but it is funnier if it was just that getting wet broke it.
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Feb 16, 2020 22:31
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I loved seeing a bit of the Doctor's furious arrogance coming through in those final moments. It was one of my favourite aspects of Capaldi's whole 'difficult decisions' shtick. Also, some genuinely tense and creepy moments here as well (baby being replaced by bones, Cyberman feigning human emotions before turning on Mary Shelley). Basically, more of this whole episode please.
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Feb 16, 2020 23:45
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That was pretty loving good. Also it looked gorgeous, standing out even in an era that I think is the best Who has ever looked. I love the way the episode handled its cast, gave them all little bits of weirdness and characterisation despite basically being a huge loving cast. (Compare that with Praxeus, which did not manage that at all). That Cyberman design was fantastic too. More of a body builder body type too, which I think worked. Massive shoulders work well on Cybermen. And the bit where the episode turned over the cliched "the person who is possessed is actually a decent human being after all" was pretty fun. Genuinely intimidating. Gravastars posted:Basically, more of this whole episode please. You may just get your wish: https://twitter.com/CompanionsOfWho/status/1229162548504735744/photo/1 Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Feb 17, 2020 |
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Feb 17, 2020 01:20
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Oh nice, I was shocked by the resume being mostly Eastenders, this was really loving good.
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Feb 17, 2020 01:23
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That was ok.
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Feb 17, 2020 01:23
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Open Source Idiom posted:You may just get your wish: Get in!! It's also very telling that Chibnall's hands weren't all over this episode because it was well-paced and the resolution didn't feel rushed.
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Feb 17, 2020 01:35
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that definitely felt like one of the best standalone episodes of Whitaker's tenure so far especially her legitimately losing her temper at the end, a side we have only barely seen from her
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Feb 17, 2020 02:08
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I appreciate that the episode can sort of be reconciled with Mary's Story due to time fuckery and the Doctor coming into it planning to just stay there for an hour but getting caught up in things when she noticed it was wrong. Also, did they use a wig similar to the 8th Doctor for Percy Shelley because it sure seemed like it.
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Feb 17, 2020 02:16
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That was fantastic, much like Fugitive of the Judoon where it seemed like a mundane episode at first but incorporated huge story elements. I hope the Doctor had time to go back for the plume helmet.
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Feb 17, 2020 02:53
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That was really really good, like Ghost Light meets Utopia. The tension and performances were at their best of the era and the pacing actually worked.
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Feb 17, 2020 02:54
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nthing the praise for this one, maybe the best of 13's run so far
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Feb 17, 2020 02:58
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Emerson Cod posted:I appreciate that the episode can sort of be reconciled with Mary's Story due to time fuckery and the Doctor coming into it planning to just stay there for an hour but getting caught up in things when she noticed it was wrong. Also, did they use a wig similar to the 8th Doctor for Percy Shelley because it sure seemed like it. Was good, but I thought cybermen only had the brain, how come he had the full body inside? Bit of an actual Shelley/Byron fanboy, so know a bit of the real history about them. Its a bit more juicy than what we saw here. What we saw was more Pride & Prejudice oh MR DARCY!!!!! Like Byron not having a limp or clubbed foot. The character Claire was actually smitten by Byron, and it was Byron that DUMPS her. Well more ignore. She was pregnant around then and she tries to get back with Byron showing off the kid to him a year or two later. He still doesn't take her back.
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Feb 17, 2020 03:20
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Cyber controllers have an obvious shown brain but how much is robotic in Cybermen has always varied. Original Mondasian ones for instance seem to have much of the body intact under a robotic exoskeleton frame. And we had Danny Pink who had a mostly intact face under his helm from Capaldi's run. Some stories have a lore justification that the Cybermen, when strapped for resources, prioritize what they replace and will leave more organic components intact, at least until they have the resources for a complete conversion. Mokinokaro fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Feb 17, 2020 |
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Feb 17, 2020 03:40
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It was a good episode, but while I can appreciate that some people can sayEmerson Cod posted:I appreciate that the episode can sort of be reconciled with Mary's Story due to time fuckery and the Doctor coming into it planning to just stay there for an hour but getting caught up in things when she noticed it was wrong. Also, did they use a wig similar to the 8th Doctor for Percy Shelley because it sure seemed like it. ...I can't see it as anything other than Chibnall is not a fan of Big Finish and could care less about what he feels is non-canon spinoff fan fiction. I guess that's his perogative but it's a shame and very different from the last two showrunners. He probably views it as inferior "Wilderness Years" low quality emphemera like TARDIS Eruditorium did.
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Feb 17, 2020 04:07
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happyhippy posted:Was good, but I thought cybermen only had the brain, how come he had the full body inside? The Doctor mentioned that he was obviously not a completed conversion, and from stuff he said himself it sounded like he might have actually volunteered for conversion?
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Feb 17, 2020 04:36
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I'm glad this season of Doctor Who feels like it's building to something, anything.
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Feb 17, 2020 04:59
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Mokinokaro posted:Cyber controllers have an obvious shown brain but how much is robotic in Cybermen has always varied. And let's not forget the "sexy" half-clad Cyberwoman from that episode of Torchw---- ...You know what, please let me forget that episode.
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Feb 17, 2020 05:15
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JacquelineDempsey posted:And let's not forget the "sexy" half-clad Cyberwoman from that episode of Torchw---- You know who wrote that episode? THAT'S RIGHT,
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Feb 17, 2020 05:24
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Edward Mass posted:You know who wrote that episode? THAT'S RIGHT,  I've done as much as humanly possible to blot that abomination out of my head that I totally forgot that. I'm not a Chibnall hater (not a huge fan, either, I'm pretty in the middle on it), but if I was on the Beeb's hiring team and someone plunked on the table "So, we need a new showrunner. You remember Cyberwoman?" and I saw that on the CV, I would've recoiled in horror as if I just got a resume handed to me done in finger-painted human feces.
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Feb 17, 2020 06:08
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I love Cyberwoman, but, yeah, it's not actually very good at all. The insanity contained in that first season of Torchwood is beautiful to watch play out.
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Feb 17, 2020 06:32
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To be fair I'm pretty sure the BBC was going,"Holy poo poo wait the guy who wrote BROADCHURCH is one of our regular Who writers? Hire than son of a bitch!"
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The Haunting of Villa Diodati gifs - click to view:                  Just a really, really good episode 
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Feb 17, 2020 12:02
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I feel like a bigger compliment than it being a good Thirteen episode (which I think there's been plenty of) is that this is a really good Cyberman story. And not only that, it's a really good last minute Cyberman story; that's basically unheard of, them turning up for the last act of a story when that story isn't about seeing Cyberman conversion almost always turns out total garbage. I have to echo loving that for once, the person behind the incomplete conversion wasn't a good person in a bad situation. No, that guy's just a loving rear end in a top hat, a complete Cyber-conversion might've actually been an improvement in a lot of ways.
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Feb 17, 2020 13:17
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Cleretic posted:I feel like a bigger compliment than it being a good Thirteen episode (which I think there's been plenty of) is that this is a really good Cyberman story. Two good Cybermen stories in a row, Britain isn't in the EU, everyone is really racist, have I been transported back to the 1960s?
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Feb 17, 2020 17:43
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When I kept hearing about cybermen, I was worried that the episode would be poo poo because nearly every cybermen episode I've seen has been trash and the story of people using technology to improve themselves and then Oops All Cybermen is played out and boring now. The fact that they were able to make the cyberman actually be somewhat scary was pretty refreshing.
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Feb 17, 2020 17:51
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Cybermen are like Ninjas, the less there are, the more dangerous they are.
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Feb 17, 2020 20:52
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That single Cyberman head in the Pandorica room trying to replace its rotted out organic component with a new human was genuinely terrifying. So Cybermen get even scarier the less of a SINGLE one there are!
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