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Gonzo McFee posted:Nether Laura Kuenssberg or Peston has tweeted about Boris hiring a caliper fetishist nor his belief that black people are genetically dumber than whites.
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Alternatively depending on the outcome we may see our way to open selection and a full on fight between the right of the party and the left of the party, which is likely to see labour reconstituted as a quite different party, probably at the cost of electoral success for the forseeable future, but you will get to watch the effects of that outcome, at least.
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OwlFancier posted:That's the accelerationist argument. No, it's the extra-parliamentarian argument, complete with the understanding that extra-parliamentarian also means extra-Britannic and extra-structural. Advocating the need for an institutional, not just nominal, reconfiguration is not accelerationist, merely historically materialist. If you can't see that you're too much of a coward to be a socialist.
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Coohoolin posted:No, it's the extra-parliamentarian argument, complete with the understanding that extra-parliamentarian also means extra-Britannic and extra-structural. Advocating the need for an institutional, not just nominal, reconfiguration is not accelerationist, merely historically materialist. If you can't see that you're too much of a coward to be a socialist. The idea that scotland leaving the UK will result in changes to the way the rest of the UK does its government is extremely spurious, why would it do that? Especially if it happens as a conditon of a labour government? It is highly likely to spur sentiment towards the tories and towards clinging even harder to the imagined imperial glory of the institutions of government because clearly this dalliance with devolving power has only weakened the country. You're injecting a lot of narrative into an event that has a lot of possible outcomes, many of them entirely unhelpful.
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OwlFancier posted:The idea that scotland leaving the UK will result in changes to the way the rest of the UK does its government is extremely spurious, why would it do that? Especially if it happens as a conditon of a labour government? It is highly likely to spur sentiment towards the tories and towards clinging even harder to the imagined imperial glory of the institutions of government because clearly this dalliance with devolving power has only weakened the country. Again, the cowardice. For shame.
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"Press this button" "What does it do?" "Socialism" "It's got half a dozen labels next to it and some of them say pretty iffy things" "It does socialism, push it" "Can you explain how?" "Just push it you coward!"
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Love too be a coward for not wanting to just abandon the left on the other side of an imaginary line.
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As much as I think Bastani's a danger, Novara have been doing some good stuff around the leadership/deputy campaigns: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZi9EpePNqc
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I still sympathize with the impulse for Scottish independence given the complete and total catastrophe that the UK is dragging everyone towards, but a better idea is definitely a reconciliation of the fair peoples of this most Gaelic Archipelago, the expulsion of anyone who arrived after the signing of the Treaty of Alfred and Guthrum, and the ushering in a Fully Armalited Luxury Gay Space Communism across these isles.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Expecting flood poo poo between 3-7am. I've put a kettle, mugs and teabags upstairs in the tiny 'residents lounge' and promised my neighbour who is 87 and about 4ft tall we'll go up there if it happens. How did this end up working out (assuming you've still got somewhere dry enough to still have an internet connection)?
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I can't be bothered to take the quiz but please put me down for 100% Stalin this morning
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Love too be a coward for not wanting to just abandon the left on the other side of an imaginary line. Maybe English voters should have been less awful. Besides, this is nonsense. Independence isn't abandoning British comrades. The existence of "an imaginary line" doesn't stop comradeship.
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Junior G-man posted:https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1229676348618178560?s=19 When is his son standing for election?
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"Bernie Sanders' main problem is that he's a Corbynite" "I've joined the Labour Party to do my part in keeping the Corbynite candidates out of power" How do i fix my dad's brain worms?
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Call him an antisemite for assuming that a Jewish independent couldn't arrive at a leftist position without the help of Jeremy Corbyn.
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w0o0o0o posted:"Bernie Sanders' main problem is that he's a Corbynite" Arsenic's traditional.
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So I finally got around listening to Podcast is Praxis and it's great. Thanks for providing a good description of the Windrush scandal and the tory shittyness around it.
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Junior G-man posted:https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1229676348618178560?s=19 Isn't blair still tremendously unpopular with nearly everyone in the UK?
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forkboy84 posted:Maybe English voters should have been less awful. Besides, this is nonsense. Independence isn't abandoning British comrades. The existence of "an imaginary line" doesn't stop comradeship. No, but while we’re enjoying our socialist utopia or whatever and the working class in England is being roundly hosed by the tories, how exactly have we done anything but abandon them? Ataxerxes posted:So I finally got around listening to Podcast is Praxis and it's great. Thanks for providing a good description of the Windrush scandal and the tory shittyness around it. I’m glad you enjoyed it! That whole section was rough to record because god drat it is a shitshow from start to finish.
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endlessmonotony posted:Yes, you stopped me right there and didn't read the rest of the post can you really blame peopl for doing that
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im sure *next* time england wont vote in a tory government
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Ash Crimson posted:im sure *next* time england wont vote in a tory government They might elect a blarite one. Progress.
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You know when the weird euros and yanks wander in and whinge about brexit like it's our fault?
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Regarde Aduck posted:They might elect a blarite one. Progress.  OwlFancier posted:You know when the weird euros and yanks wander in and whinge about brexit like it's our fault? Nobody in Scotland voted for brexit, didn’t you know that?
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Nobody in Scotland voted for brexit, didn’t you know that? Are you alright? Regarde Aduck posted:They might elect a blarite one. Progress. No. Not really.
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Sanitary Naptime posted:No, but while we’re enjoying our socialist utopia or whatever and the working class in England is being roundly hosed by the tories, how exactly have we done anything but abandon them? Yeah, you can hear the change of tone from the joking at the start about Perdan Joterson to that. Thanks for making it, for a non-Briton it sure isn't an easy tangle to unwind.
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Ataxerxes posted:So I finally got around listening to Podcast is Praxis and it's great. Thanks for providing a good description of the Windrush scandal and the tory shittyness around it. Having listened to the pod I now find myself humming Internationale throughout the day.
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Sanitary Naptime posted:No, but while we’re enjoying our socialist utopia or whatever and the working class in England is being roundly hosed by the tories, how exactly have we done anything but abandon them? You're right, it's much better that we all get hosed by the Tories, truly no better form of comradeship than helplessly suffering and refusing to do the only thing you can to end that. Because let's be clear, the last time Scotland voted over 30% for Tories was 1979, last time they were the largest party in Scotland was 1955. loving Anthony Eden was PM. Suez Crisis hasn't happened yet. How much longer is Scotland expected to vote against its interests to show "solidarity" with a nation that a large percentage of clearly enjoys self-flaggelation?
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Nobody in Scotland voted for brexit, didn’t you know that? If you're just rolling out fuckwitted strawman arguments then this is just a waste of time. Nobody is saying Scotland is magic perfect land for fucksake. It's not magically free of idiots (you live here right ) but 62.00% of Scotland voted Remain. A higher percentage than in any other region.
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OwlFancier posted:Isn't blair still tremendously unpopular with nearly everyone in the UK? Yeah but in Adonis' circle of friends (who are obviously representative of the population as a whole), everyone thinks he's great!
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Ash Crimson posted:im sure *next* time england wont vote in a tory government It seems to me that under the status quo, Scotland gets both a non-Tory government in Edinburgh, and a chance of something better in London. That seems like a pretty sweet combination; unlike everyone else, you don’t have to even tho I about compromising between hope and pragmatism. Can someone explain a reason, not involving terminal brain worms, why anyone would want to give that up for rule by Scottish Tories with an excellent excuse for austerity?
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Ash Crimson posted:Are you alright?  forkboy84 posted:Nobody is saying Scotland will be a socialist utopia except maybe Ash Crimson and they are not representative of much but the most annoying Nats. As I said earlier, the SNP is a single issue party so gently caress knows how many of their voters are just tories with different ideas about maps. The very existence of the SNP makes things more difficult to track with regard to ideological leanings within Scotland among the voting population. It’s easy to say “ah but they’re not voting Tory”, which is true, but who’s to say they won’t be significantly voting for whatever emerges as the equivalent in similar amounts in an independent Scotland? Also, I don’t get the tying down to one nation vs another, maybe that’s just me, but I really don’t understand why anyone gives a poo poo about the Scottish Nation and the English Nation within the UK except as a method of othering people and feeding a specific narrative. E: forkboy84 posted:If you're just rolling out fuckwitted strawman arguments then this is just a waste of time. Nobody is saying Scotland is magic perfect land for fucksake. It's not magically free of idiots (you live here right I don’t know how you took that as a strawman argument against you, that was me being deliberately facetious towards Ash’s “Only The English Are Wrong” shite. Sanitary Naptime fucked around with this message at 11:21 on Feb 18, 2020 |
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Sanitary Naptime posted:I really don’t understand why anyone gives a poo poo about the Scottish Nation and the English Nation within the UK
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forkboy84 posted:Because let's be clear, the last time Scotland voted over 30% for Tories was 1979, last time they were the largest party in Scotland was 1955. loving Anthony Eden was PM. Suez Crisis hasn't happened yet. this is kind of selective - by scotnats own logic the SNP will vanish in a puff of smoke the second independence is acheived, at which point they will have the Tories as the largest party. all centerists want to pretend 2017 didn't happen - another way of putting it is that only two years ago the Tories got just under your benchmark with 29% and in doing so allowed Mays Tory government and Brexit for the whole island. the Scottish right may be a minority but they're running loving circles around the Scottish left.
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Guavanaut posted:Rugby's on. Reform the UK into a series of microstates based on local football teams.
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CoolCab posted:gosh darn those English bastards for Brexit you mutter while Ruth Davidson's Scottish Tories give May the votes and Jo; buggers the slim parliamentary chance of escape because as we all know, brexit wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for scotland you idiot, you absolute moron
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