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GM is a company run by very stupid executives who hired very stupid engineers and they're incapable of learning or growing.
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FuturePastNow posted:GM is a company run by very stupid executives who hired very stupid engineers and they're incapable of learning or growing. Lmao. I’m quite positive the engineers there are not the issue with fun cars not being manufactured.
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Feb 14, 2020 17:58
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FuturePastNow posted:GM is a company run by very stupid executives who hired very stupid engineers and they're incapable of learning or growing. Lol do you really think the engineers are at fault? Most of them want to design cool and good poo poo but the bean counters won't let them.
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Feb 14, 2020 18:24
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Yeah, GM's engineers are world-class. But the company undermines them every chance it gets.
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Feb 14, 2020 18:27
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management is always the problem
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Feb 14, 2020 18:54
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possibly the worst allocations of resources of all oems how many things has GM released half assed, finally made good, and then immediately killed?
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Feb 14, 2020 20:24
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:
Does this mean they're going to kill the Corvette next year?
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Feb 14, 2020 20:39
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:how many things has GM released half assed, finally made good, and then immediately killed? Ah, the circle of life beautiful, in its way
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Feb 14, 2020 20:57
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KillHour posted:Does this mean they're going to kill the Corvette next year? there's probably a 30% chance
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Feb 14, 2020 21:21
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KillHour posted:Does this mean they're going to kill the Corvette next year? Corvette actually makes money for GM, and GM hasn't yet squeezed the brand equity out by building a Corvette SUV: quote:Participating in a conference call one day with the “task force” put together by the U.S. Treasury Department to consolidate GM manufacturing operations, Juechter was planning to advocate passionately for Corvette and its small, special plant: “We went around the room introducing ourselves, and when I introduced myself as Corvette chief engineer, one consultant said, ‘What can you tell me about C7?’—the same question we were getting from our customers. I thought, ‘Wow, this guy knows the lingo and wants to know about C7. He may get it.’ They got into our books and saw that Corvette made money, so getting going on a new one was on the to-do list coming out of bankruptcy. It was spared as an extremely valuable brand that is known globally, and the Bowling Green assembly plant was also spared.”
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Feb 14, 2020 21:44
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Godzilla07 posted:Corvette actually makes money for GM, and GM hasn't yet squeezed the brand equity out by building a Corvette SUV: StingrayEV incoming to compete with MachE calling it
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Feb 14, 2020 21:49
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Oh please do it GM. The amount of tears from the Mustang boomers are just a small taste of what we'd hear if they did that to the Corvette.
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Feb 14, 2020 23:00
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opengl128 posted:Oh please do it GM. The amount of tears from the Mustang boomers are just a small taste of what we'd hear if they did that to the Corvette. corvette EV but it is the only way in the corvette line to get chrome wheels
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Feb 14, 2020 23:03
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Applebees Appetizer posted:StingrayEV incoming to compete with MachE calling it StingraE
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Feb 15, 2020 06:41
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Ultimate Mango posted:StingraE Countdown to someone naming their child Stingrae Who am I kidding, it’s probably already happened
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Feb 15, 2020 11:17
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Huge SUEVs with a metric ton of Lithium batteries Ive said it before EVs are and will be terrible for the environment.
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Feb 15, 2020 11:46
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Balliver Shagnasty posted:Because corporate mills like the 3.6L "high-feature" V6 make the 14th Floor types tent their khakis. I mean it's the primary engine in the most popular and profitable Cadillac...
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Feb 15, 2020 13:58
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Huge SUEVs with a metric ton of Lithium batteries You can say it as many times as you like, people have conducted actual lifecycle analyses of the energy debt to build and operate a BEV vs an ICE vehicle of equivalent size and the EV still wins.
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Feb 16, 2020 10:22
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drgitlin posted:You can say it as many times as you like, people have conducted actual lifecycle analyses of the energy debt to build and operate a BEV vs an ICE vehicle of equivalent size and the EV still wins. Don't build new cars 
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Feb 16, 2020 10:42
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KakerMix posted:Don't build new cars There's been so many EV conversions of existing cars by dudes in garages an colleges that industry has to be looking at the viability of producing similar in larger numbers for their existing classics. I mean, surely, right?
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Feb 16, 2020 14:29
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drgitlin posted:You can say it as many times as you like, people have conducted actual lifecycle analyses of the energy debt to build and operate a BEV vs an ICE vehicle of equivalent size and the EV still wins. Maybe people don't need to be driving 3 ton monstrosities
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Feb 16, 2020 14:45
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Sure. What are you doing to convince them of that?
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Feb 16, 2020 15:16
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Outlaw them
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Feb 16, 2020 15:24
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drgitlin posted:Sure. What are you doing to convince them of that? This, but taking their Yukon away https://twitter.com/spookperson/status/1104390156025384961?s=19
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Feb 16, 2020 16:24
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I ended up going to the Philly auto show today since a friend texted me last second. We're about a year and a half or so from needing to replace my wife's Macan, and she think she wants a wagon. Surprisingly, they had the new A6 all road (non-RS6) there which I've wanted to check out. It may be a contender. The infotainment system is integrated in to the dash/console, and there's no stupid iPad sticking out of the dash like you get with the current A4 all road. The interior is typical Audi: great, with a ton of room in the front/back seats. Some cons: Fuel economy is only 21/26, which seems low in TYOOL 2020. The rake on the rear hatch is pretty steep, which cuts in to the usable space in the back quite a bit. I'm curious how it compares volume-wise to other competitors. It's not cheap. Checked out the V60/V90 as well, which may also be on the list. Still have the incredible interior I remember, with the benefit of potentially having more usable space inside the hatch. I hear modern Volvos are absolutely terrible reliability wise?
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Feb 16, 2020 22:31
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drgitlin posted:Sure. What are you doing to convince them of that? When my city-dwelling friends tell me "I need an X5 because I drive on a dirt road a couple of times a year" I try to convince them that they in fact don't. I also try to vote for greener initatives but my power there is limited because I'm not a) a billionaire or b) in a position to shape corporate or government policy. If someone put me in charge, I'd tax vehicles by weight, with exemptions for farmers etc.
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Feb 16, 2020 22:54
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Residency Evil posted:I ended up going to the Philly auto show today since a friend texted me last second. We're about a year and a half or so from needing to replace my wife's Macan, and she think she wants a wagon. Surprisingly, they had the new A6 all road (non-RS6) there which I've wanted to check out. It may be a contender. The infotainment system is integrated in to the dash/console, and there's no stupid iPad sticking out of the dash like you get with the current A4 all road. The interior is typical Audi: great, with a ton of room in the front/back seats. Well thanks for this post because I was actually trying to think of something to do with the family tomorrow so I guess I am going to the auto show! Are there any particularly cool or not cool things to see? We're not really in the market for a new car at this point but might be in 6 months or a year.
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Feb 17, 2020 00:04
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Throatwarbler posted:Well thanks for this post because I was actually trying to think of something to do with the family tomorrow so I guess I am going to the auto show! Are there any particularly cool or not cool things to see? We're not really in the market for a new car at this point but might be in 6 months or a year. Definitely check out the Dub Show down in the basement somewhere, it's where all the modified cars are. Probably a lot more interesting than the actual autoshow.
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Feb 17, 2020 00:12
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Throatwarbler posted:Well thanks for this post because I was actually trying to think of something to do with the family tomorrow so I guess I am going to the auto show! Are there any particularly cool or not cool things to see? We're not really in the market for a new car at this point but might be in 6 months or a year. I'm sure it'll be a great way to spend a day with the family (and way less busy than the weekend). Audi had the RS5/S6/S7/S8 there. Jeep had their usual obstacle course thing. There's a section with some supercars, including an F40/XJ220/Veyrons/Chirons. A bunch of manufacturers had driving simulators set up, some with movement/hydraulic setups. Honda's seemed the coolest since they even had VR. I didn't try any since the lines were long, but it should be better tomorrow. I think the last time I went to the Philly auto show was 2 years ago, but it's kind of shocking how much smaller the show is these days than say, 10 years ago, where it stretched across 3 floors. No Mercedes/BMW this year. edit: Huh, looks like BMW/Mercedes are also out of NYC this year. Even less of a reason to go. 
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Grakkus posted:When my city-dwelling friends tell me "I need an X5 because I drive on a dirt road a couple of times a year" I try to convince them that they in fact don't. I also try to vote for greener initatives but my power there is limited because I'm not a) a billionaire or b) in a position to shape corporate or government policy. I wrote off a BMW X5 as farm equipment a few decades ago. That was a fun loophole, and I’m sure what you are referring to. Was an incredible tax write off for sure.
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Feb 17, 2020 01:02
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Ultimate Mango posted:I wrote off a BMW X5 as farm equipment a few decades ago. That was a fun loophole, and I’m sure what you are referring to. Was an incredible tax write off for sure. My uncle's dad has a Q5 for driving around his dairy (granted this is in Sweden).
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Feb 17, 2020 04:39
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Here you uses to be able to get out of 20% VAT with any vehicle as long as it had a separate cargo compartment. Vans and trucks obviously ok, SUVs, hatchbacks and wagons not. Unless... you installed a thin $20 mesh separating the cargo. Lots of Land Cruiser and Grand Cherokee commercial vehicles everywhere until they closed this.
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Feb 17, 2020 09:45
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Yeah, in the UK farmers use SUVS (commonly range rovers) to drive around their farms.
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Feb 17, 2020 12:28
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GM has axed its Holden brand, and is pulling out of its remaining RHD markets Australia NZ and Thailand. I thought they might soldier on longer considering the popularity of utes and SUVs over there, but apparently not. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51499775 GM has now left Europe, India, Oceania and large parts of SEA in the last few years. Surly putting all your eggs in two pretty volatile but currently profitable baskets (US and China) can't backfire.
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Feb 17, 2020 20:03
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Well maybe they'll make enough money before China's domestic vehicle market matures to the point that foreign brands outside of status-signaling luxury marques die out
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Feb 17, 2020 21:17
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Humbug posted:
Don't worry, we'll bail them out again when the time comes.
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Feb 18, 2020 04:50
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Humbug posted:GM has axed its Holden brand, and is pulling out of its remaining RHD markets Australia NZ and Thailand. I thought they might soldier on longer considering the popularity of utes and SUVs over there, but apparently not. Colorado sure but the SUVs were only ever a success because the Captiva was very cheap and it's replacements are not (lol at paying Highlander/CX-9 prices for an Acadia) My parents worked at GMH Trentham in the 70s and 80s and even back then the company was a disaster. It''s amazing they lasted as long as they did.
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Feb 18, 2020 04:53
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Humbug posted:GM has axed its Holden brand, and is pulling out of its remaining RHD markets Australia NZ and Thailand. I thought they might soldier on longer considering the popularity of utes and SUVs over there, but apparently not. Huh. Didnt realise China sales was 3 million for GM last year. Down from 4 million in 2015 tho
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Feb 18, 2020 05:25
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GMs management continues to plumb new depths of retardedness
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JK Fresco posted:GMs management continues to plumb new depths of retardedness id argue that spending decades plowing money in to unprofitable markets was the peak of stupidity I mean they're dumb in other ways too but it's not like staying in these markets is magically going to make them smarter at the other stuff.
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