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chaosapiant posted:What's wrong with SW2? Is it a bad game in its own right, or just not as good as SW1? It’s a completely different sort of game and also feels like having a psychotic break thanks to asset reuse
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Feb 18, 2020 13:27
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(I didn't buy SW2 since I saw too many red flags) They basically turned a single-player game into a co-op lootbox thingie, with socketing gems into your choice of 150+ guns! Since the reboot got accolades for having a great, if understated, plot&characters than it had any right to, we decided to just throw that away. SW2013 had a menagerie problem for sure, but it didn't deserve gutting everything else about it to fix that.
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Feb 18, 2020 13:32
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Right, but is SW2 only bad because it's not what people wanted after SW1? Or is it, on its own, a bad/unfun game? I have both and have only played a little of SW1/2013, but still might want to give 2 a shot unless it's just a poo poo game all around.
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Feb 18, 2020 13:35
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chaosapiant posted:Right, but is SW2 only bad because it's not what people wanted after SW1? Or is it, on its own, a bad/unfun game? I have both and have only played a little of SW1/2013, but still might want to give 2 a shot unless it's just a poo poo game all around. It’s playable, like it’s not inherently bad, but it’s also not a game I’d fully recommend on its own merits either. If you already own it, it’s worth giving a shot. The main issue with it is the levels feel like they’re randomly generated, but they aren’t. They’re just really generic and repetitive.
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Feb 18, 2020 13:37
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The Cheshire Cat posted:It’s playable, like it’s not inherently bad, but it’s also not a game I’d fully recommend on its own merits either. If you already own it, it’s worth giving a shot. Gotcha, that makes sense then. Maybe one day I'll give it a shot. Thanks!
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Feb 18, 2020 13:43
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chaosapiant posted:Right, but is SW2 only bad because it's not what people wanted after SW1? Or is it, on its own, a bad/unfun game? I have both and have only played a little of SW1/2013, but still might want to give 2 a shot unless it's just a poo poo game all around. No dude it is a straight up bad game that tries to hammer bad loot game mechanics onto a very small set of boring maps. If you’re going to make a game that depends on having people replay sections over and over again you have to make the encounters and loot interesting, but they did not.
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Feb 18, 2020 13:44
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Fallom posted:No dude it is a straight up bad game that tries to hammer bad loot game mechanics onto a very small set of boring maps. If you’re going to make a game that depends on having people replay sections over and over again you have to make the encounters and loot interesting, but they did not. This is also a good answer, thank you! i don't generally concern myself with sequels that disappoint as sequels as long as there's a good game still in there, but if it's just repetitive gameplay and lovely Borderlands mechanics, then I'm not super pumped about it. As a side note: I still love Deus Ex: Invisible War and play it every other year or so. I like the other three main games more, but still like I:War. I consider the other three games 9-10/10, and I-War a 7.
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Feb 18, 2020 13:54
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Shadow Warrior 2 is one of the worst shooters I've ever played, as a sequel to one of the best. After an extremely well written game (by videogame standards) they delivered something with writing that is actively insulting. Like loving Rockstar would go "this is not good enough for a GTA game" level bad.
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Feb 18, 2020 15:11
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This page is crazy talk. Shadow Warrior 2 has some pretty good combat and while not as polished as something like Doom 2016 it is faster due to all the movement options and being made for PC first. It was well received on release and if you like FPS titles you should give it a try whenever it's on sale and form your own opinion on it. The writing is bad but it's the kind of sequel that's just story-wise pointless rather than retroactively ruining what came before like Wolfenstein II or Darkness II did.
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Feb 18, 2020 16:01
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Also goddammit Max Payne 2 has the only escort mission in the history of time that isn’t total dogshit because you’re escorting around a man in a animal costume who can’t stop swearing and panicking. I mean sure on the fifth play through it’s sorta grating but I think MP2 is nearly a perfect game and their escort mission design is proof of that as far as I’m concerned
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Feb 18, 2020 16:20
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I just wish it didn’t go on so long.
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Feb 18, 2020 16:23
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Pathos posted:Also goddammit Max Payne 2 has the only escort mission in the history of time that isn’t total dogshit because you’re escorting around a man in a animal costume who can’t stop swearing and panicking. I mean sure on the fifth play through it’s sorta grating but I think MP2 is nearly a perfect game and their escort mission design is proof of that as far as I’m concerned The escortee in that mission has a bomb strapped to him and will expode if he encounters so much as a fly fart. I think that level might be the only time I've found an escort mission to be as annoying as people say escort missions are.
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Feb 18, 2020 16:33
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SW2 was fine combat wise once you ignored the 5000 junk upgrades, but was a mess otherwise. Multiple quests ended in a broken way, such as saying "LOOK AT THAT BIG EXPLOSION!' when no explosion actually happened.
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Feb 18, 2020 16:56
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GUI posted:This page is crazy talk. Shadow Warrior 2 has some pretty good combat and while not as polished as something like Doom 2016 it is faster due to all the movement options and being made for PC first. It was well received on release and if you like FPS titles you should give it a try whenever it's on sale and form your own opinion on it. The writing is bad but it's the kind of sequel that's just story-wise pointless rather than retroactively ruining what came before like Wolfenstein II or Darkness II did. Correct on all counts, except that the Darkness 2 was fun and I never played its predecessor.
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Feb 18, 2020 17:13
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dosen't SW2 also have transphobic humor in it too
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Feb 18, 2020 17:18
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GUI posted:The writing is bad but it's the kind of sequel that's just story-wise pointless rather than retroactively ruining what came before like Wolfenstein II What's wrong with Beyond Castle Wolfenstein?
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Feb 18, 2020 19:45
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ETPC posted:dosen't SW2 also have transphobic humor in it too iirc i remember the line you're probably referring to but it's kind of a sign of how sorry the state of things are when my general thought on it is 'hey, it at least comes off as somewhat positive and not actively hateful'
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Feb 18, 2020 19:52
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the bar is so incredibly low
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Feb 18, 2020 20:10
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I enjoyed SW2 a lot and while the writing isn’t as good as SW1 I am surprised at the vitriol towards it as I found the combat and weapons extremely satisfying. I also feel describing it as worse than Borderlands is really inaccurate. Lo Wang is more of a character and has way more presence, not to mention occasional moments of development, than all of the Borderlands characters put together. Even with the admittedly weaker writing in SW2. The ending was the only big problem for me but as they did commission a Stan Bush song for the final battle I can’t bring myself to describe it as bad.
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Feb 18, 2020 20:26
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i would very much absolutely go to bat for sw2's combat being more fun than borderlands. the former may have had the dumb gem slot stuff, but most of it could just be flat-out ignored and beyond that the actual weapons have more punch to them, part of that being due to them actually being defined and unique things despite there being a hell of a lot. the latter smells more like an rpg/fps combo down to the bullet-sponge enemies and most of the guns are what one would expect out of mostly randomly-generated crap.
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Feb 18, 2020 20:29
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I "acquired" BL3 for about an hour and the shooting is so bad & lame. And this is supposed to be the good one? E: I thought SW2's combat was actually better than DO4M's in a lot of ways. I also enjoyed its massive arsenal, described it as "modlike" and thought most of the guns were fun to look at and to shoot. Shame about the procgen maps and needlessly tacked on, over-fiddly gem system. Mordja fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Feb 18, 2020 |
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Feb 18, 2020 20:42
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Rogue-like, procedurally generated, looter, etc... It's getting old.
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Feb 18, 2020 20:46
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I want artisanal, hand-crafted maps, every texture placed with care, every gun tweaked to perfection, every enemy a chiseled specimen of physical beauty, glistening with oil and ready to Procgen and roguelikes and roguelikelikes are cool, but I think I've had enough of those elements being shoved into things for a while, like open worlds, and RPG elements in general.
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Feb 18, 2020 20:58
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there's a sort of unique joy in getting the triple-barrel sawn-off in sw2 and modding it for ice damage and maybe some charge-shot nonsense so you can spike enemies with a large crack and watch them splinter into shards of ice
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Feb 18, 2020 21:00
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I love weapon modding in games. Particularly when it's deep and will let you do stupid/awesome things like DX's pocket sniper rifle. But I don't want a million different guns that you're constantly shuffling because of slightly higher stats.
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Feb 18, 2020 21:07
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ok so you want a high-damage fire gun for these girls, but make sure you have a corrosive gun for those robots, and oh yeah there's a beefy boy better whip out your slag gun and slag him ok he's slagged now switch back to your damage gun (they are all very slightly different versions of the same gun because you specced into this tree goddamnit you can't go changing gun types)
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Feb 18, 2020 21:10
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I liked the system in Blacklight: Retribution where you're able to fine-tune your guns from a list of various parts like it's an Armored Core. Plus it gave us the hilarious Apache Warchief Simulator griefing video.
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Feb 18, 2020 21:35
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Blacklight was a fun game with a pretty awful F2P implementation. It did have an amazing shotgun in the Breech Loaded Pistol though.
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Feb 18, 2020 22:17
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I know almost nothing about that game but I'm loving this dude cocking his hammer and then just BOPPING people. Something about the animation is very satisfying
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Feb 18, 2020 22:19
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GUI posted:This page is crazy talk. Shadow Warrior 2 has some pretty good combat and while not as polished as something like Doom 2016 it is faster due to all the movement options and being made for PC first. It was well received on release and if you like FPS titles you should give it a try whenever it's on sale and form your own opinion on it. The writing is bad but it's the kind of sequel that's just story-wise pointless rather than retroactively ruining what came before like Wolfenstein II or Darkness II did. I dunno, I definitely felt like SW2's writing poo poo all over the first game. It made everything that happened in 1 pointless, a cheap joke, or both. 1's ending loses all its impact knowing that Hoji's sacrifice and the entire war of the Ancients was all for someone who turned out to be a walking sex joke who was just as evil as everyone else I spent the whole game wondering what drama happened behind the scenes, because it really feels like all the writing was screaming "That last game was bullshit, gently caress whoever thought that was good, right guys?"
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Feb 19, 2020 01:45
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has that 'wrath' game made any progress? all i've heard about since it released were the two levels but i don't think people, that i remember, have really talked about it getting expanded on yet that i'm aware of. also yeah, shadow warrior 2's story is like an active wet poo poo on top of whatever the first reboot game managed to make out of being a reboot of a racist and janky as gently caress build engine game. the first reboot's story was pretty alright and actually sorta well done. the second comes off like someone had an active vendetta against whoever the hell wrote the first.
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Feb 19, 2020 06:07
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Can someone remind me what the good Doom64 PC fan port was?
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Feb 19, 2020 07:16
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Doom 64 EX
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Feb 19, 2020 07:25
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Glagha posted:Can someone remind me what the good Doom64 PC fan port was? Which is itself an extension of Doom 64 EX linked above, I guess. It's improved to the point that the demos work in it, though, and I already found a bug with EX and secret counts doubling every time I save mid-level and load aforementioned save, so the free version of EX isn't the be-all-end-all even still.
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Feb 19, 2020 07:59
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Shadow Hog posted:The one Bethesda is about to sell next month. Even the gravity turned out to be wrong in EX. The official one next month is the one you want, guaranteed. It's amazing what you discover is wrong when you get paid to look at your own work very closely (plus trying to get the attract demos to work certainly helped). 
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Feb 19, 2020 08:13
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Johnny Joestar posted:has that 'wrath' game made any progress? all i've heard about since it released were the two levels but i don't think people, that i remember, have really talked about it getting expanded on yet that i'm aware of. It’s been patched a bit but no more levels yet.
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Feb 19, 2020 09:41
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Shadow Warrior 2 was a hoot and a half with a buddy but yeah the level design took a nose dive, it's still fun just killing things at least.
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Feb 19, 2020 16:00
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Shadow Warrior 2 has possibly the worst FPS combat Ive ever played. Enemies have massive, ludicrously large pools of health compared to the damage they deal. Guns are all pretty boring and all that really matters is their base damage as you wont have enough upgrade doodads without playing multi to ever seriously upgrade them, unless you count the 8 million trinkets of +2 acid damage which is just an insult. The level design is just three huge heavily repeated maps so you never feel like you are making progress whatsoever and the story is poo poo.
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Feb 20, 2020 00:44
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not to get in the way of the sw2 posting, but i have a confession to make for as good as doom ][ is, the pistol and chaingun are lovely weapons that don't feel good to use at all
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The Doom pistol is pretty much just a placeholder for the chain gun. As for the chain gun...it’s not got impressive feel but it does a job.
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