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whats that? british cheating again? in other news water is wet
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Feb 20, 2020 12:55
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It's not cheating to be cleverer than someone else. Also I thought Mercedes didn't count as British because they race under a German flag. This thread needs to make its mind up imho. It's clever, doesn't actually break any rules but will 100% get banned for some bullshit reason if nobody else can reproduce it.
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Feb 20, 2020 13:00
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It's only cheating once Ferrari realise they can't copy it
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Feb 20, 2020 13:00
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NtotheTC posted:It's only cheating once Ferrari realise they can't copy it Adrian Newey?? Is that you?
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Feb 20, 2020 13:18
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Fia loving around with Ferrari engine while Mercedes deploys an automatic suspension. This sport is a loving joke
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Feb 20, 2020 13:29
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In what way is the driver controlling the toe of the front wheels 'automatic suspension'?
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Feb 20, 2020 13:33
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Tsaedje posted:In what way is the driver controlling the toe of the front wheels 'automatic suspension'? It automatically makes Ferrari mad
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Feb 20, 2020 13:38
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Tsaedje posted:It's not cheating to be cleverer than someone else. Also I thought Mercedes didn't count as British because they race under a German flag. This thread needs to make its mind up imho. the entire mercedes team is based out of some gross rear end shed in east shittinghamshire, i've always said it's a british team pretending its hardest to be a german one
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Feb 20, 2020 13:45
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track day bro! posted:the entire mercedes team is based out of some gross rear end shed in east shittinghamshire, i've always said it's a british team pretending its hardest to be a german one The Failrrari tears this season will be the most delicious yet.
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Feb 20, 2020 14:02
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Failrarri mission binnow marbloro racing just upset they’re already behind the pace and will lose out to Racing • and the tifosi will riot and string them up from their ankles in pastaroni square with no boil lasagna noodles and savagely beat them to death
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Feb 20, 2020 14:22
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i told you this is the reason why we aren't having an f1 thread this season because we are all boycotting formula 1 itt, in other news apparently theres gonna be more news for the new animal crossing today 
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Feb 20, 2020 14:25
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Isabelle aiming for the top, much like Lance Stroll this year
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Feb 20, 2020 14:32
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Tsaedje posted:It's not cheating to be cleverer than someone else. Also I thought Mercedes didn't count as British because they race under a German flag. This thread needs to make its mind up imho. It’s a mechanical device which alters the aerodynamic performance of the car which I’m pretty sure is 100% Super Banned
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Feb 20, 2020 14:35
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the kentucky quid posted:It’s a mechanical device which alters the aerodynamic performance of the car which I’m pretty sure is 100% Super Banned 
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Feb 20, 2020 14:36
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the kentucky quid posted:It’s a mechanical device which alters the aerodynamic performance of the car which I’m pretty sure is 100% Super Banned Suspension parts are not allowed if they are designed in a way that they influence the aerodynamics/are part of the aerodynamics (ask Rebus, their front suspension was banned last year). So following this rule, as the suspension is currently deemed legal, changing it manually can't have an effect on aerodynamics because else the suspension would be banned. (of course this is all bullshit, but even the other teams currently say it's basically legal) Jokes aside, I absolutely assume this thing will get banned, but it's Mercedes' last take at this before 21 when ride height change will be regulated. The Merc is known for changing the ride height especially on the front axle since years, teams are pushing the limits of POU suspension since at least one season, if not longer, and this is the final overture from Mercedes in that regard. It's peak F1, and it's great!
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Feb 20, 2020 14:44
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It's not changing the suspension any more than steering is, don't be ridiculous
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Feb 20, 2020 15:08
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Tsaedje posted:It's not changing the suspension any more than steering is, don't be ridiculous It’s changing the alignment of the suspension at every degree of steering input, don’t be ridiculous
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Feb 20, 2020 15:14
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But is it changing the suspension angle in any different way than steering does? Other than turning both wheels in rather than one in and one out?
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Feb 20, 2020 15:18
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A bunch of posters boohooing about how Mercedes is leading the way in advancement, again
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Feb 20, 2020 15:19
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Bad news everyone, steering is banned because it changes the aerodynamics of the car. Braking is banned now too, also acceleration.
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Feb 20, 2020 15:19
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Tsaedje posted:But is it changing the suspension angle in any different way than steering does? Other than turning both wheels in rather than one in and one out? Yes because at any static position of steering input the suspension geometry is materially different with this device activated than what it would be without it.
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Feb 20, 2020 15:22
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Post the regs that actually support your positon other than “Mercedes bad 😥”
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Feb 20, 2020 15:23
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at what point steering changes the suspension axis?
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Feb 20, 2020 15:24
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the kentucky quid posted:Yes because at any static position of steering input the suspension geometry is materially different with this device activated than what it would be without it. Moving the steering wheel turns the wheels, it's just a different axis
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Feb 20, 2020 15:25
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https://twitter.com/MrAlexF1/status/1230429506722246656 totally the same as steering
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Feb 20, 2020 15:28
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We’ve been down this road with FRICS where it actually was tied to steering input which would actually make your argument work and it still was banned on the same basis so I’m sorry that you’re wrong 🤷🏼♂️
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Feb 20, 2020 15:28
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I mean yes changing the cars alignment as you drive is an idea, especially in the way adjusting the toe can have a massive effect on how the car acts in corners. BUt the fact that they cant automate it means that it will be banned by the fia in about 5 seconds. its like the split brake pedal thingy mclaren did It just adds another thing for the drivers to gently caress about with ontop of the 9000 other things that have to be adjusted mid corner tuo posted:Isabelle aiming for the top, much like Lance Stroll this year one day i'll go back and finish doom 2016, but not for a long time because i still haven't finished black mesa even though im right near the end of xen I just kinda dropped it. i'm bad at fps
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Feb 20, 2020 15:30
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:Post the regs that actually support your positon other than “Mercedes bad 😥” quote:Any specific part of the car influencing its aerodynamic performance must be rigidly secured to the entirely sprung part of the car (rigidly secured means not having any degree of freedom) and must remain immobile in relation to the sprung part of the car.
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Feb 20, 2020 15:32
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This is all about aero bits and is completely unrelated???
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Feb 20, 2020 15:38
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Alternatively they could just be using this as a test item to assist in identifying the optimum suspension setup / ride height / camber without having to send the car in and out of the garage.
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Feb 20, 2020 15:41
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the kentucky quid posted:It’s changing the alignment of the suspension at every degree of steering input, don’t be ridiculous The regulations state that with a fixed steering wheel, change on the direction the wheels face or change of the inner diameter of the wheels is only allowed in vertical movement of the suspension. The wheel is pretty clearly not fixed. It turns, and turmbones. Everything is fine. e: here: [quote "some guy at FIA"] 10.2.1 With the steering wheel fixed, the position of each wheel centre and the orientation of its rotation axis must be completely and uniquely defined by a function of its principally vertical suspension travel, save only for the effects of reasonable compliance which does not intentionally provide further degrees of freedom. [/quote] They are doing nothing wrong, it's just a way for Lewis to get in there quicker tuo fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Feb 20, 2020 |
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Feb 20, 2020 15:41
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:This is all about aero bits and is completely unrelated??? Anything exposed to the air is an aero part. The tyres especially so.
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Feb 20, 2020 15:41
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Rebus posted:Anything exposed to the air is an aero part. The tyres especially so. If this is the interpretation of that rule then the tires literally cannot move in any direction. Maybe this is the problem with Williams?
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Feb 20, 2020 15:44
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I don't think the cars alignment counts as an aero device tho? am i getting it totally wrong that they are playing around with toe angles which would be done by whatever suspension parts still exist on an f1 car and not using aero bitsRebus posted:Anything exposed to the air is an aero part. The tyres especially so. ah, is this because all the suspension bits have aero poo poo all over them
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Feb 20, 2020 15:44
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Rebus posted:Anything exposed to the air is an aero part. The tyres especially so. Sprung or unsprung? 1.4 Bodywork : All entirely sprung parts of the car in contact with the external air stream, except cameras, camera housings, rear view mirrors as defined in Article 14.3, ERS status lights, the secondary roll structure and associated fixings and fairings and the parts definitely associated with the mechanical functioning of the engine, transmission and running gear. Airboxes, radiators and engine exhausts are considered to be part of the bodywork. 3.8 Aerodynamic influence With the exception of the parts described in Articles 11.4, 11.5 and 11.6, and the rear view mirrors described in Article 14.3, any specific part of the car influencing its aerodynamic performance : a) Must comply with the rules relating to bodywork. b) Must be rigidly secured to the entirely sprung part of the car (rigidly secured means not having any degree of freedom). With the exception of the driver adjustable bodywork described in Article 3.6.8 (in addition to minimal parts solely associated with its actuation) and the parts described in Articles 11.4, 11.5 and 11.6, any specific part of the car influencing its aerodynamic performance must remain immobile in relation to the sprung part of the car. Any device or construction that is designed to bridge the gap between the sprung part of the car and the ground is prohibited under all circumstances. No part having an aerodynamic influence and no part of the bodywork, with the exception of the parts referred to in Articles 3.7.10, 3.7.11 and 3.7.12, may under any circumstances be located below the reference plane. With the exception of the parts necessary for the adjustment described in Article 3.6.8, any car system, device or procedure which uses driver movement as a means of altering the aerodynamic characteristics of the car is prohibited. tuo fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Feb 20, 2020 |
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Feb 20, 2020 15:44
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Feb 20, 2020 15:48
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The FIA are aware of this and Mercedes feel fine with it but let’s write a thousand words about how it’s bad
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Feb 20, 2020 15:48
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It's cool and good, though!
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Feb 20, 2020 15:49
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tuo posted:It's cool and good, though! It is, OP. Mercedes continue to innovate and the other teams are having a fit because they weren’t smart enough to do the same
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Feb 20, 2020 15:50
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The point I was making is that tyre shape (and hence wake shape) has a huge impact on aero performance. I have no idea if it's legal or not. Either way it's pretty cool.
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Feb 20, 2020 15:54
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