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Mercedes are going to argue the motion of the wheel backwards and forwards means it's not fixed. Nobody thought to specify that 'fixed' is intended to mean 'no rotation'.
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Noone is saying that it won't be banned, we're just saying it will be banned because of the oppressive tears of Ferrari and RBR, not because it actually breaks any rules. "but but but it makes the wheels turn in a way we didn't think of!" turns out that's called innovation nerds.
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Feb 20, 2020 15:59
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NtotheTC posted:Noone is saying that it won't be banned, we're just saying it will be banned because of the oppressive tears of Ferrari and RBR, not because it actually breaks any rules. Exactly this.
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Feb 20, 2020 16:01
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Sounds like British cheating to me. Signs of desperation?
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Feb 20, 2020 16:02
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Sounds like British cheating to me. Signs of desperation? Sounds like brave British inspiration against Italian fascism OP, history repeats itself
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Feb 20, 2020 16:06
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That would make sense if it were McLaren or Williams, but what have Merc got to be desperate about? But if it's what people need to accept that the Brackley team is in fact British and not German
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Feb 20, 2020 16:07
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i mean it will be even more british once the germans pull the plug on their f1 program
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Feb 20, 2020 16:16
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Rebus posted:I have no idea if it's legal or not. What do you know about front suspension, rear mirrors and why did you design them? No, gently caress that, I'm actually happy to see Williams closer/with the pack. The performance last year really hurt. I know that first week of testing is smoke and mirrors, but I really hope for a packed midfield without a real backsetter, and really hope Williams will be able to fight the other midfield teams for points or even dominate that field (fighting with Ferrari). tuo fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Feb 20, 2020 |
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Feb 20, 2020 16:17
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how does changing the toe in of the wheels while the car is moving not violate 10.2.3, isnt that adjusting the suspension system?
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Feb 20, 2020 16:23
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It's not changing the suspension. Teams tried to use that rule against Mercedes already, and it seems that if the change is purely induced by the steering component of the front axle, it's not a part of the suspension. Of course this is also bullshit, because all teams have rear axles that steer dependant on load, and that's not purely vertical.
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Feb 20, 2020 16:27
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welcome 2 Clown Town posted:how does changing the toe in of the wheels while the car is moving not violate 10.2.3, isnt that adjusting the suspension system? Because they’re british and not Ferrari 🙄🙄🙄
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Feb 20, 2020 16:29
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Also everyone is missing the most important question about the last two days: why is Ocon's head higher than the halo? How could they make a car which they couldn't fit the driver into? The next time you hear a buzzing sound at Renault, I assume it's a bone saw.
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Feb 20, 2020 16:30
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Are you guys mixing up toe with camber or something? Why is this so controversial for you
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Feb 20, 2020 16:32
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tuo posted:Also everyone is missing the most important question about the last two days: why is Ocon's head higher than the halo? How could they make a car which they couldn't fit the driver into? The next time you hear a buzzing sound at Renault, I assume it's a bone saw. Ocon is tall and the halo isn't rollover protection.
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Feb 20, 2020 16:37
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tuo posted:all teams have rear axles that steer dependant on load, and that's not purely vertical. What does this mean? The angle changes relative to the front axle?
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Feb 20, 2020 16:47
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PhoenixFlaccus posted:What does this mean? The angle changes relative to the front axle? All(?) teams have passive steering on the rear axle, as much as the regulations allow. Big Huski Boi posted:Ocon is tall and the halo isn't rollover protection. gently caress safety, I'm talking about aerodynamics.
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Feb 20, 2020 16:49
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:Sounds like brave British inspiration against Italian fascism OP, history repeats itself
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Grosjean with an off around a corner, and the commentators chuckling how it might be part of Drive to Survive, very good
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Tsaedje posted:It's not cheating to be cleverer than someone else. Also I thought Mercedes didn't count as British because they race under a German flag. This thread needs to make its mind up imho. It is absolutely cheating. From the FIA Technical Regulations: 
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Feb 20, 2020 18:55
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I'm both the world's leading F1 Engineer Lawyer and incredibly objective, and it is obvious to me that Lewis' car is very legal, in fact all the other cars are the ones breaking the rules
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Feb 20, 2020 19:03
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poty posted:I'm both the world's leading F1 Engineer Lawyer and incredibly objective, and it is obvious to me that Lewis' car is very legal, in fact all the other cars are the ones breaking the rules Not only is it very legal it's also very cool.
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Feb 20, 2020 19:19
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gret posted:Not only is it very legal it's also very cool. I'm reading article 420.69 of the sporting regulations and it clearly states this device is, and I quote, "freaking sweet"
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Feb 20, 2020 19:35
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MustardFacial posted:It is absolutely cheating. From the FIA Technical Regulations: That's clearly to do with active suspension systems. The suspension changing as a result of moving the steering is already, and obviously, legal. The FIA at the moment are comfortable saying the way Merc have done this is fine. To rule it illegal they need to be convinced that the way Mercedes are moving the steering (one theory is by moving the whole rack forward and backwards to pivot the track rods I believe) constitutes something illegal. At present they must have been persuaded (having actually seen how it's being done) that it's not materially different to affecting the suspension as a byproduct of moving the wheels in the normal way. It's up to the other teams to work it out and change their minds if they think it's worth less effort than just copying it.
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Feb 20, 2020 19:43
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Mercedes and Hamilton should be allowed to cheat as much as they want in order for Hamilton to scrub Schumacher's fraudulent records from the books.
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Feb 20, 2020 19:49
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Astoundingly Ugly Baby posted:Mercedes and Hamilton should be allowed to cheat as much as they want in order for Hamilton to scrub Schumacher's fraudulent records from the books. This, but they don't even need to cheat to do it
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Feb 20, 2020 19:56
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Absolutely sickening that the second they’re outside the jurisdiction of the European Court british teams start cheating an absurd amount.
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Feb 20, 2020 19:59
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There's been several examples recently where the FIA has let poo poo fly until other teams protested or the stewards got a closer look. I don't think the fact that haven't explicitly banned yet means anything.
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Feb 20, 2020 20:00
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Big Huski Boi posted:There's been several examples recently where the FIA has let poo poo fly until other teams protested or the stewards got a closer look. I don't think the fact that haven't explicitly banned yet means anything. It’s not even that, they let poo poo fly when it’s clearly illegal too like FRICS. The FIA are garbage at regulating this poo poo or even understanding what they approve.
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Feb 20, 2020 20:02
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Big Huski Boi posted:There's been several examples recently where the FIA has let poo poo fly until other teams protested or the stewards got a closer look. I don't think the fact that haven't explicitly banned yet means anything. It means that Merc have an argument for how it's legal that satisfies someone at the FIA and nothing more. But that's how F1 loophole engineering always works. If another team can find a better argument that it's illegal that's one route to get it banned, or they could just moan until the FIA restrict steering wheels to one axis for 'safety reasons'.
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Dr Marko thinks that the cheating mercedes DAS its illegal and should be banned. Id trust his judgement over the judgement of the lunatics who post ITT.
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Feb 20, 2020 20:15
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Tsaedje posted:It means that Merc have an argument for how it's legal that satisfies someone at the FIA and nothing more. But that's how F1 loophole engineering always works. If another team can find a better argument that it's illegal that's one route to get it banned, or they could just moan until the FIA restrict steering wheels to one axis for 'safety reasons'. It means that the FIA itself doesn't actually enforce their own rules. They can say "yeah we think it's illegal" but that's meaningless if a team protests and the stewards disagree. It's an idiotic system but regardless the FIA's current stance has little to do with whether or not it will be allowed in Melbourne.
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Feb 20, 2020 20:17
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Big Huski Boi posted:It means that the FIA itself doesn't actually enforce their own rules. They can say "yeah we think it's illegal" but that's meaningless if a team protests and the stewards disagree. It's an idiotic system but regardless the FIA's current stance has little to do with whether or not it will be allowed in Melbourne. But at least it's something to talk about  We could talk about the pink team scrapping their car a year early and deciding to do their best to carbon copy last year's Merc instead.
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Let’s talk about my $2000 synthesizer and how it’s the most fun thing I’ve bought in years
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the kentucky quid posted:Let’s talk about my $2000 synthesizer and how it’s the most fun thing I’ve bought in years I'm down, what did you get?
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the kentucky quid posted:Let’s talk about my $2000 synthesizer and how it’s the most fun thing I’ve bought in years Hell yeah let's do it
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Zeta Acosta posted:Dr Marko thinks that the cheating mercedes DAS its illegal and should be banned. Id trust his judgement over the judgement of the lunatics who post ITT. "I prefer the judgement of an actively fascist and racist paedophile over some well meaning idiots on an internet forum" - Zeta Acosta 2020
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I got a Teenage Engineering OP-1. It’s probably the most accessible synth I’ve ever used and it’s almost like a piece of art itself. Right now I’m doing a house inspired piece sampling the “clean shirt” scene from Peep show
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NtotheTC posted:"I prefer the judgement of an actively fascist and racist paedophile over some well meaning idiots on an internet forum" - Zeta Acosta 2020 
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My only complaint is that there’s no force feedback on the keys but I’ve kinda got used to it now. But just look at this thing 🤩
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Hey whatever floats the Navy destroyer you fantasise about using to shoot immigrants in rafts with.
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