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Jaeluni Asjil posted:LOL - don't know where this person is from! from talking to a few Americans about this, apparently "bollocks" sounds cute and childish but "balls" is a really coarse word
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qhat posted:It's important to remember the British Tories of today are without question the worst iteration of the Tories since the Thatcher era, in fact, perhaps since forever. They have been rapidly getting much worse ever since UKIP started stealing their voter base. David Cameron was mild by comparison. Yeah, Cameron was scared shitless of UKIP and his genius idea was... for the tories to basically become UKIP He didn't account for the possibility that the tories might literally, no poo poo, actually become UKIP Great loving job pigfucker
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Feb 20, 2020 22:34
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Chuka Umana posted:If an independent Scotland is still under the monarchy burn the SNP in hell forever. Most of the SNP are republicans but it would be very dumb to fight that battle at the same time as independence and alienate all the monarchist voters, ie most voters.
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Feb 20, 2020 22:43
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jaete posted:Yeah, Cameron was scared shitless of UKIP and his genius idea was... for the tories to basically become UKIP Love too think the kippers are a looney fringe on the far edges of the Tories who will be absolutely crushed when Brexit loses badly. Oh wait poo poo we're actually a party of swivel-eyed racist twats! Turns out when you play to that base for decades they capture and absorb the party!!
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Feb 20, 2020 22:48
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marktheando posted:Most of the SNP are republicans but it would be very dumb to fight that battle at the same time as independence and alienate all the monarchist voters, ie most voters. I would also be surprised if an independent Scotland included the Queen in any form of the government beyond the most figurehead position possible, which would also make it easy to get rid of the position down the line.
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Coohoolin posted:Just seen this: So there's actually an interesting backstory on the prisoner voting thing. The European Court of Human Rights said the UK's blanket ban was a no go way way back in 2005. The UK Gov, shockingly did nothing and continues to do basically nothing. The Devolved Administrations actually can't do nothing following them getting legal control (2/3 majority needed to action change) over their franchise process (Wales Act 2017, Scotland Act 2016), it's literally impossible for them to do nothing long term against the European Court of Human Rights because eventually someone will take them to court and win which would force a law change. The UK Gov just laughs and says 'yeah we're not doing that' and that's A-OK. In terms of Scotland, the Scottish Equality and Human Rights Commission, seemingly as a result of a letter by Green MSP Patrick Harvie, decided to do a report and push the Scottish Gov to actually take action. The report called on the Scottish Gov to legislate for the enfranchisement of all prisoners and that Scotland should 'aim for a higher standard than recently established at UK level.' The Scottish Gov said, look, you fuckers (editorialising here), it is 'neither appropriate, nor necessary to ensure compliance with the ECHR to enfranchise all prisoners.' Long story shorter*, that's how they ended up with 12 months being basically decided as the minimum for legal compliance. Wales is actually a lot better here (not perfect), but the call for the enquiry came from the Llywydd (speaker of the Welsh Assembly) herself and resulted in the Welsh Gov beginning the process of adopting a 4 year recommendation. This is still not in legislation yet and I'm watching closely to make sure they don't chicken out and only put it in local elections. * Scottish Gov also did a subsequent consultation which contained hilarious leading options. These were 6 months, which was ruled unlikely to conform to the ruling, 12 months, which is what they wanted or 'Another Duration'. UnquietDream fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Feb 20, 2020 |
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Feb 20, 2020 23:27
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Aye aye cool but the real news is here is that I might finally be able to run for council lmao
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Feb 20, 2020 23:45
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Feb 20, 2020 23:53
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mehall posted:I would also be surprised if an independent Scotland included the Queen in any form of the government beyond the most figurehead position possible, which would also make it easy to get rid of the position down the line. Queen will retain her position as Head of state. There's a whole section about it in the white paper. Way too many indy voters lean on "Well the SNP are saying and doing X but actually deep down they want Y so it's all ok*
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I'm an American by birth but also a UK citizen by rights thanks to the 100% geordie blood pumping through my veins. I'm also a co-operative developer professionally. I'm really curious what the thread's perspective is on the UK co-operative party? I know its actually fairly large but we never hear anything about it over here. Thanks in advance and also reminder: The North starts at the Tyne.
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Coohoolin posted:i posted a tasteful collage of a classic piece of art and a modern political cartoon about amy klobuchar The original is better 
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Crumbskull posted:I'm really curious what the thread's perspective is on the UK co-operative party? It's very disappointing unfortunately. I don't know enough of its history to understand why, but it's squatting on the right wing of Labour and seems to do less to promote co-ops than the left.
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Why Rayner isn't my pick for deppity. I am so very disappointed with her utterly tone deaf "how do you do fellow minorities" thing she keeps doing. Also disappointed with the making GBS threads on Burgon because he "sounds a bit thick". He's come the most correct so far with what he's been saying from a left perspective imo. NinpoEspiritoSanto fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Feb 21, 2020 |
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Feb 21, 2020 01:16
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When your ma crashes your pride party 
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Feb 21, 2020 01:17
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For context, the clip: https://twitter.com/HowUpsetting/status/1230630920773869568
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Feb 21, 2020 01:19
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Logic 101: https://twitter.com/lithodora/status/1230640280010838016?s=20
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Logic 101: To be entirely fair Bernie was probably aware of the third point when he wrote the book. Not that he's a communist OFC.
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If Bernie is a trot, what’s the name of his paper he’s trying to sell?
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Feb 21, 2020 07:20
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The Big Once Again Asking For Your Financial Support
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OwlFancier posted:For context, the clip: Noooo cougar raynor stoppp
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Coohoolin posted:Just seen this: womp womp
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I know that it doesn't really mean it, but I keep seeing PPE turning up in this thread and thought that Oxford had come up with the ultimate grift and made poshos sign up for a degree in high-vis vests and oil resistant boots
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Feb 21, 2020 08:13
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I'm fairly sure PPEs in PPE was/is a twitter account.
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Feb 21, 2020 08:21
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Borrovan posted:
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Turns out that neorationalist cyberatheism or whatever is also an ideology. :zizekshrug:Sanitary Naptime posted:If Bernie is a trot, what’s the name of his paper he’s trying to sell?
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Looking forward to hearing about how this would definitely have been possible if only Scotland 
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Apparently the disagreement was on "technical grounds" but I haven't found anything specifying them.
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OwlFancier posted:Apparently the disagreement was on "technical grounds" but I haven't found anything specifying them. Different flavour of the same shite, obfuscatory bullshit preventing a good thing.
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Feb 21, 2020 10:18
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OwlFancier posted:For context, the clip: I kind of enjoy the thumbnail here, sort of a supervillain-Rayner-flanked-by-here-goons vibe.
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OwlFancier posted:Apparently the disagreement was on "technical grounds" but I haven't found anything specifying them. They technically didn't want to do it. In other Scottish news, lol at the SNP saying ministers can't meet communities surrounding Mossmorran because of SEPA legal action, which was ongoing last year when ministers met with community groups..... Maybe one day the SNP will take environmental issues seriously and perhaps even stop peat extraction. Aramoro fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Feb 21, 2020 |
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Feb 21, 2020 10:38
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To be honest my main takeaway from that is that she's a bit rambly and doesn't make her point very well. It seems to be an expression of solidarity but it's so garbled that I struggle to derive much meaning from it.
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Feb 21, 2020 10:39
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I think the idea is that people have made some very similar negative sexual aspersions about young single mothers as they have about gay and bi people, all under the broad umbrella of 'sexual immorality', and they shouldn't, so there's shared experiences for solidarity there. Which is a fair point, and we should all build on our shared solidarity as marginalized groups rather than continually snipe at each other. On the other hand the rainbow braces and scrunchy are a bit like showing up at BAME Labour in a Madiba shirt to explain how growing up on a council estate and listening to reggae means you've got shared cause, and also a bit like crispix posted:When your ma crashes your pride party
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Looking forward to hearing about how this would definitely have been possible if only Scotland I like that in your desperation to take a poo poo on the Nats you overlook the positive step of giving the vote to refugees at least.
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forkboy84 posted:I like that in your desperation to take a poo poo on the Nats you overlook the positive step of giving the vote to refugees at least. Which is a Green Party proposal so lets all continue to poo poo on the Nats. Like the Scottish Government is going to give me a massive interest free loan to do unnecessary work to my home but still approved new peat extraction just up the road from me. There's a joined up environmental policy right there.
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I mean the braces and scrunchie are a powerful flex that I 100% support were it employed against the tories and I feel odd saying people shouldn't dress up as a show of solidarity given I know cishet people doing that for pride, but it does seem slightly... off combined with explicitly saying that being LGBT has nothing to do with who you have sex with. Which... OK again yes I sort of see where you're going but on the other hand literally no it has quite a lot to do with that. I like the enthusiasm but combined with the BAME stuff it feels like the sort of attitude you associate with being a teenager who totally wants to hang out with all the cool kids. And I don't even mind that necessarily, I wish there were more of that kind of seemingly naive enthusiasm floating around, it's just strange and slightly worrying to see in someone who wants to be a senior politician lol. It seems like the attitude that's likely to lead to some terrible headlines later down the line but on the other hand I might actually prefer it to more godawful politician noises on the subject. It's toeing the line between slightly offensive commodification and big dumb enthusiasm and I don't entirely know how to read it or whether or not I actually like it regardless
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The real flex was the simple black tee with the rolled up sleeves, the braces were just the exclamation point I'm absolutely the target demographic for these shenanigans, and it absolutely worked on me, but not enough to stop me from first picking Butler
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