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Arglebargle III posted:She would also have been a better choice than Admiral No-Name. To hear “sheer loving hubris” delivered by Mulgrew would have been amazing.
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HD DAD posted:To hear “sheer loving hubris” delivered by Mulgrew would have been amazing. Yeah Mulgrew can dress someone down with the best of them.
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Not to mention that the whole debate over the Federation circling the wagons was the right thing to do might have been more meaningful if the person on the other side of the desk was another one of our trusted heroes. That seems like it could be a little out of character for Janeway, though.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Out of character for Katheryn "do a deal with the borg" Janeway? Out of character for "endanger everyone to stand on principle" Janeway
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I just refuse to believe the future is so loving gaudy. Say what you want about future space utopia having shades of grey but fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck freecloud. Looked like Reno took a poo poo that poo poo evolved into a sentient poo poo being and then took another poo poo. Also how do those ads work for normal people? Does everyone just have a holodeck/replicator/whatever the gently caress it is bridge?
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This show is saying your beloved Captain Picard is an out of touch old fool and you were an idiot to ever believe the future could be bright. Star Trek has always been a laughable mess of a TV show but it always had the underlying message that the future could be better and here are some heros fighting for that better future. Flawed, silly heros in pyjama uniforms fighting forehead aliens to understand that there is a better way. Whatever this show is, it isn't Star Trek.
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apatheticman posted:I just refuse to believe the future is so loving gaudy. "a shitload of holograms and flashing lights" is like, the default setting for "futuristic cityscapes" though
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TomR posted:This show is saying your beloved Captain Picard is an out of touch old fool and you were an idiot to ever believe the future could be bright. Star Trek has always been a laughable mess of a TV show but it always had the underlying message that the future could be better and here are some heros fighting for that better future. Flawed, silly heros in pyjama uniforms fighting forehead aliens to understand that there is a better way. Do you genuinely think this is where the show is going, because lol if so. Thats a hostile reading to the point of ridiculousness. It's incredibly loving obvious that the show is building to the conclusion that Picard was wrong to give up and that being idealistic is good.
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TomR posted:This show is saying your beloved Captain Picard is an out of touch old fool and you were an idiot to ever believe the future could be bright. Star Trek has always been a laughable mess of a TV show but it always had the underlying message that the future could be better and here are some heros fighting for that better future. Flawed, silly heros in pyjama uniforms fighting forehead aliens to understand that there is a better way. This show depicts the future that rich people want, presented in a way they think makes it palatable or even desirable to the rest of us
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TomR posted:This show is saying your beloved Captain Picard is an out of touch old fool and you were an idiot to ever believe the future could be bright. Star Trek has always been a laughable mess of a TV show but it always had the underlying message that the future could be better and here are some heros fighting for that better future. Flawed, silly heros in pyjama uniforms fighting forehead aliens to understand that there is a better way. Yeah they said the same thing about DS9 Tighclops posted:This show depicts the future that rich people want, presented in a way they think makes it palatable or even desirable to the rest of us lol
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marktheando posted:Do you genuinely think this is where the show is going, because lol if so. Thats a hostile reading to the point of ridiculousness. Nothing like idealism that says 'Being good, is good' at the end of a season after being filled with dark poo poo.
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Snow Cone Capone posted:"a shitload of holograms and flashing lights" is like, the default setting for "futuristic cityscapes" though Yeah but a show that used like 99% matte paintings until just a few years ago its quite the aesthetic side step.
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Peachfart posted:Nothing like idealism that says 'Being good, is good' at the end of a season after being filled with dark poo poo. This is exactly what's coming, they're building to a Picard speech as a chaser for all these horrible shots we've been doing
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The planet they're visiting was never part of the Federation, so I don't see the Freecloud situation in particular as a symptom of being grimdark, seeing as how there were tons of planets they visited in the earlier series that were in various states of decay
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Tighclops posted:This is exactly what's coming, they're building to a Picard speech as a chaser for all these horrible shots we've been doing Yup. It is now okay to have a dark and gritty Federation as long as the main character says 'Bad things are bad!' in a long epic speech.
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Peachfart posted:Yup. It is now okay to have a dark and gritty Federation as long as the main character says 'Bad things are bad!' in a long epic speech. 
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Peachfart posted:Nothing like idealism that says 'Being good, is good' at the end of a season after being filled with dark poo poo. Yes generally in fiction idealistic heroes have to overcome some dark poo poo. apatheticman posted:Yeah but a show that used like 99% matte paintings until just a few years ago its quite the aesthetic side step. If by 'just a few years ago' you mean almost 20 years ago, there were matte paintings in Enterprise, sure.
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apatheticman posted:Yeah but a show that used like 99% matte paintings until just a few years ago its quite the aesthetic side step. Are you trying to tell me that motion picture technology has advanced?!
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Anyway a bunch of major cities on Earth already look like Freecloud minus the holograms, and the very second large-scale projections like that become feasible they will 100% be used everywhere possible:
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I'll point out that the generally best and most widely beloved episodes of all Star Treks are "grim dark" like Yesterday's Enterprise, ItPM, BoBW, mirror universe eps, Parallels, Year of Hell, etc.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It drove me crazy that they did this in the recent Star Wars trilogy and it’s just as annoying now No I think this is fine. The Romulan Empire suffered a massive disaster and is in collapse. The Federation suffered a disaster and turned inwards to deal with it. This isn't even actually new ground for Star Trek. The back story to ST:Picard is literally Star Trek 6, except this time the Admiral Cartwright faction in Starfleet wins. That's massively different to Star Wars's 'oh you thought the good guys won? We'll just drop you into a world where the Empire is still around and the most powerful force without ever really explaining that'. e: In fact actually: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqGnAIgzUTY Star Trek 6 even establishes that something can blow up in space and because 'subspace' the shockwave can travel really fast and far. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Feb 21, 2020 |
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zoux posted:I'll point out that the generally best and most widely beloved episodes of all Star Treks are "grim dark" like Yesterday's Enterprise, ItPM, BoBW, mirror universe eps, Parallels, Year of Hell, etc. I feel like 99% of the time "grimdark" in this context means "swearing and violence" and you better believe Sisko would have dropped some f-bombs if that was kosher on network TV in the 90's Alchenar posted:No I think this is fine. The Romulan Empire suffered a massive disaster and is in collapse. The Federation suffered a disaster and turned inwards to deal with it. This isn't even actually new ground for Star Trek. The back story to ST:Picard is literally Star Trek 6, except this time the Admiral Cartwright faction in Starfleet wins. lol yeah I don't think Picard or any other Trek has gotten anywhere near as bad as "Palpatine is back, shut up about why/how"
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They really do need install ad-blocker in that ship though. Having a bunch of holograms harass you as you approach a planet seems really bad.
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kidkissinger posted:They really do need install ad-blocker in that ship though. Having a bunch of holograms harass you as you approach a planet seems really bad. I assumed when the traffic controller said they were passing the conn back to La Sirena that they pushed a bunch of ads and poo poo through before terminating communications.
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I feel like 99% of the time "grimdark" in this context means "swearing and violence" and you better believe Sisko would have dropped some f-bombs if that was kosher on network TV in the 90's Oh I don't take people who unironically use grimdark as a criticism seriously. kidkissinger posted:They really do need install ad-blocker in that ship though. Having a bunch of holograms harass you as you approach a planet seems really bad. holo IGNORE ME robot from Venture Bros: "WE'VE NOTICED YOU ARE USING AN ADBLOCK, FREECLOUD RELIES ON AD REVENUE TO BRING YOU THE CRIMES YOU LOVE PLEASE CONSIDER WHITE LISTING"
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I assumed when the traffic controller said they were passing the conn back to La Sirena that they pushed a bunch of ads and poo poo through before terminating communications. "You're cleared to enter orbit. installing complimentary malware in five... four... three..."
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I feel like 99% of the time "grimdark" in this context means "swearing and violence" and you better believe Sisko would have dropped some f-bombs if that was kosher on network TV in the 90's In TV/IV “grimdark” is a broad catch-all term that means absolutely nothing other than “I don’t like thing”.
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Anyway a bunch of major cities on Earth already look like Freecloud minus the holograms, and the very second large-scale projections like that become feasible they will 100% be used everywhere possible: Heavily saturated, since it's a lot brighter in real life.  Tokyo is very similar, too.
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zoux posted:Oh I don't take people who unironically use grimdark as a criticism seriously. Big Mean Jerk posted:In TV/IV “grimdark” is a broad catch-all term that means absolutely nothing other than “I don’t like thing”.  kidkissinger posted:"You're cleared to enter orbit. installing complimentary malware in five... four... three..." I mean it's goofy and I tend to go to lengths to justify dumb things like that, but "transferring control back to you" implies that Freecloud Approach or whatever had at least partial control over the computer systems for a period. MichiganCubbie posted:Heavily saturated, since it's a lot brighter in real life. Yeah if you get Times Square on a moonless night though it looks amazing, no HDR needed Heck, I took these photos myself in Shanghai a decade ago:   
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What's the 24th century equivalent of the Yahoo Search Bar
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zoux posted:What's the 24th century equivalent of the Yahoo Search Bar EBBH (Emergency Bonzi Buddy Hologram)
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Alchenar posted:That's massively different to Star Wars's 'oh you thought the good guys won? We'll just drop you into a world where the Empire is still around and the most powerful force without ever really explaining that'. The original idea for the First Order was pretty good, kind of "what if the nazis who fled to south america successfully set up their own country and started doing nazi poo poo over there." But yeah they either dropped that idea or just totally failed to communicate it on screen. They don't feel much like a comparatively weak faction of exiles, just feel like the old Empire. And obviously pulling a fleet of planet-killer star destroyers out of nowhere still makes zero sense.
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