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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1231168067914391552

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Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Sanitary Naptime posted:

Not a hint of a rebuff on the idea you consider people in “areas worth giving up on” as worth less than those closer to home, is it?

Don't worry, I've given up on parts of Scotland as well if that satisfies your sick fetish for consistency.

If you think you can convince people like that gammon racist woman to become socialist and to drop all pretenses of their hatred for the "foreigner" or their latent nationalism then be my guest

I'm sure she's totally open to the idea that it's capitalism and corporations that are the ones causing her suffering, she just hasn't heard your argument, right?

Ash Crimson fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Feb 22, 2020

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
:yeshaha:

https://twitter.com/AbolishWestmin/status/1230964876811608064?s=20

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Wexit? Waleaving?

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.

Ash Crimson posted:

Wexit? Waleaving?

Walexit sounds good.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Leaving the EU and the UK would be pretty wild.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Irish. 2011 census said your Irish population was just 0.13%, we've got more Irish people than you've got White British. Also you're really short on Bangladeshi people.
It's interesting, because there was a fair amount of Irish migration to Leicester in the interwar period, and there's still an Irish community centre and Comhaltas associate, but it's mostly just a space for pensioners meeting to poo poo-talk the England team now, so i think what happened is when all the racists turned their attention fully towards the Asian community and there wasn't a sizeable number of new Irish influx post WW2 as there was in London, a lot of 2nd/3rd generation people of part-Irish descent just consider themselves 'white' or 'other' now for 364 days of the year.

A Buttery Pastry posted:

This is why I reject any stories with sympathetic or multi-dimensional villains as inherently reactionary.
"I want to destroy the world" is technically morally neutral from a negative ethics perspective, so I want to see a story where the the villain is an Elon Musk type who wants to colonize new worlds with humans for profit and the sympathetic hero figure wants to blow up the world to prevent this. Call it Harry Potter and The Philosophy of Redemption so the liberals will watch it.

Angry Lobster posted:

Walexit sounds good.
Waluigi.

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe

Guavanaut posted:

It's interesting, because there was a fair amount of Irish migration to Leicester in the interwar period, and there's still an Irish community centre and Comhaltas associate, but it's mostly just a space for pensioners meeting to poo poo-talk the England team now, so i think what happened is when all the racists turned their attention fully towards the Asian community and there wasn't a sizeable number of new Irish influx post WW2 as there was in London, a lot of 2nd/3rd generation people of part-Irish descent just consider themselves 'white' or 'other' now for 364 days of the year.

It's amazing how this cycle goes. Here in Peterborough there was a big influx of Italian immigrants in the 50s and 60s, specifically brought in from Campania by the London Brick Company. At the time all the usual anti-immigrant/racist tropes were deployed; they were taking all the jobs, they kept to themselves, they're all criminals, they didn't speak English, were the wrong religion, and why are they eating lasagna what's wrong with steak and kidney pudding, eh?

Now, when the immigrants are coming from Pakistan and Eastern Europe, all the poo poo-stirrers hold up the Italians as 'the good ones' who settled here, integrated while bringing bits of their culture and became a welcome part of the community. Totally unlike the migrants of today of course!

And some of the most forceful anti-immigrant voices are the kids and grandkids of those original Italian brick workers...

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
this seems as good a thread as any to ask for recommendations on bluetooth earphones that have good battery life. I've got some cheap anker ones but their battery life is a bit poo poo and i'm going to be spending a lot of time listening to music at my new job

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Jose posted:

this seems as good a thread as any to ask for recommendations on bluetooth earphones that have good battery life. I've got some cheap anker ones but their battery life is a bit poo poo and i'm going to be spending a lot of time listening to music at my new job
I enjoy the Bose QuietComfort we've got at work, and the battery life seems to be pretty good.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I'd go with headphones rather than earphones for extended listening - I have the Sony MDR-MX770BN, which have noise dampening, but these are probably fine too: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07WD58H6R/

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
I think I have weird shaped ear canals because without fail all earphones fall out after a few mins. I think I'd lose airpods in less than a day lol

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Someone post the full thing, i want to enjoy the whinging

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them
it was nice outside for like 45 minutes but now its gone. oh well

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
I know it's very different for gay men so maybe I can't relate but does the idea never occur to these men to chill the gently caress out and just go out and be around people and explore other interests and content themselves that possibly one day someone will be interested in them and nature will take its course? Like does it not occur to them that maybe a lot of women will find it unappealing that they are so obsessed with finding a woman that that's all there really is to them and their entire life has become just a sort of big, mad woman safari? :/

RockyB
Mar 8, 2007


Dog Therapy: Shockingly Good
Sir Keir Starmer has a message for us all



Insert joke about focus grouped, unasked for abominations here.


Jose posted:

this seems as good a thread as any to ask for recommendations on bluetooth earphones that have good battery life. I've got some cheap anker ones but their battery life is a bit poo poo and i'm going to be spending a lot of time listening to music at my new job

If you have weird shaped ears, are active (cycling or running), or have a perforated eardrum I highly recommend these:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/AfterShokz...163&sr=8-4&th=1

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
I feel like puft should have an umlaut somehow

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


crispix posted:

I know it's very different for gay men so maybe I can't relate but does the idea never occur to these men to chill the gently caress out and just go out and be around people and explore other interests and content themselves that possibly one day someone will be interested in them and nature will take its course? Like does it not occur to them that maybe a lot of women will find it unappealing that they are so obsessed with finding a woman that that's all there really is to them and their entire life has become just a sort of big, mad woman safari? :/

Generously, because society as a whole puts a lot of emphasis on men showing masculinity via being in and getting relationships, and they feel like a failure of a man for not being in one. There's a valid point in that the exsistence of dating apps like Tinder have become the only means for many men to find partners due to weak social structures, meanwhile those same apps cripple users self esteem

More likely it's men complaining that old tactics don't work anymore, but I think there's some interesting points buried in the idea.

Nothingtoseehere fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Feb 22, 2020

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

sebzilla posted:

My favourite thing in 2020 Labour is all the Starmer supporters saying things like "we need to purge the left-wing" having spent the past five years making GBS threads themselves loudly about mandatory reselection etc.
Well, there's no other easy way to get "integrity, authority, unity"

tldr; imo they can be seen as a natural expression of a system desperately trying to maintain itself against increasing instability, also, birb



Large organisations tend to stability, and develop methods to maintain this - rules and regulations to restrict the effect of outside disturbance, and removing outside disturbances where possible.

I'd argue that the Labour Party was, from at least Blair until Corbyn, adapted to and stable within the Westminster environment and British electoral system - top-down leadership, connections with media, politics as reflections of media. The left-leaning portions of the membership are a source of instability, continually asking for things outside the Westminster consensus, trying to get a greater say, wanting to move the party to a bottom-up formation, replacing centrist MPs with leftish ones who agree with the membership (or, if nothing more, want to give the membership a say); none of this plays nicely with Westminster or the media. The soft-left/centre membership recognise correctly that instability makes the party look bad and less electable, and that the mandatory reselection effort was part of this trend.

Labour's obvious reaction as an organisation is to remove or restrain the source of instability - give a greater voice to centre and right figures, "councillors should have a greater say" (since councillors are generally going to be more centre/right-wing), restrict the effect of the membership on policy, etc. up to and including ejecting left-wing members. Starmer frames himself as the stability candidate, so I'd expect him to take steps in that direction. Don't think he'd go as far as outright ejecting the left, but definitely restrict it. Goodbye Corbynism, goodbye left influence in Labour. (this is the more likely, I think? depends how the phone-banking is going, how many of the soft-left or politically-traumatised can be brought around)

The RLB route is the more hopeful one imo. More interaction with the left membership means more instability, and she could drive it up to a crisis point where the organisational structure of Labour has to change or collapse - different structure, different MPs more in tune with the membership. Short-term this could be ugly, but if the will is there it might work and give us a leftish Labour party without all the internal contradictions. I'm not sure it'll be possible to reform Labour without hitting that crisis point - it'll keep trying to return to its previous equilibrium, we'll end up with constant instability but no structural changes, and I doubt there will be another chance.

(sidenote: thinking about it like this, Corbyn is a curious figure - both inducing instability and trying to prevent it by "bringing everyone together" even when the two sides are irreconcilable, stopping the Wom Tatson removal etc; in retrospect not surprising it didn't work)

in conclusion, Labour is a land of contrasts, and furthermore, birb

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

crispix posted:

I know it's very different for gay men so maybe I can't relate but does the idea never occur to these men to chill the gently caress out and just go out and be around people and explore other interests and content themselves that possibly one day someone will be interested in them and nature will take its course? Like does it not occur to them that maybe a lot of women will find it unappealing that they are so obsessed with finding a woman that that's all there really is to them and their entire life has become just a sort of big, mad woman safari? :/

congrats on being a functional adult op

E: no really I think moving to this attitude is a basic mark of maturity and it's genuinely depressing how many people seem to never get there. A friend of mine is pathologically incapable of being single - she goes without a partner for literally a couple of months at best and just gets with the first guy who shows any interest even if they're not at all compatible long term and obviously ends up in miserable relationship after miserable relationship. There's obviously something deeper going on there but god drat it's frustrating to see.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Jose posted:

this seems as good a thread as any to ask for recommendations on bluetooth earphones that have good battery life. I've got some cheap anker ones but their battery life is a bit poo poo and i'm going to be spending a lot of time listening to music at my new job

I don’t think they make the model I have any more but my Taotronic headphones were like £20 and have a nine hour battery life.

This I think is the updated equivalent-

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07RPRZLYY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_bKtuEbVNJTMTJ

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

There is a lot of societal pressure against being single, it takes a particular confluence of thoughts and circumstances, I think, for people to be at peace with it. And even then there's still things you miss.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
Sure but I'd always rather be single than in a relationship for the sake of it with someone I don't like. Tbh I think even the term relationship is kind of dumb because it implies something separate from friendship, whereas I see the two things as by definition the same thing. I'm in a relationship with someone because they're my best friend, that's not a coincidence. Though I admit I haven't always thought like that.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!
Society's obsession with romantic relationships is deeply harmful and divisive, more at 11?

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

If ever there is a time to get it over and done with its now

Pilchenstein
May 17, 2012

So your plan is for half of us to die?

Hot Rope Guy

Ash Crimson posted:

If you think you can convince people like that gammon racist woman to become socialist and to drop all pretenses of their hatred for the "foreigner" or their latent nationalism then be my guest

I'm sure she's totally open to the idea that it's capitalism and corporations that are the ones causing her suffering, she just hasn't heard your argument, right?
Don't be wilfully dense, you know perfectly well the issue is not that you're saying "that woman is an irredeemable dickhead" (because she is) but that you're saying "that woman is an irredeemable dickhead and you can extrapolate from her behaviour that every single person within one hundred nautical miles of her is also the exact same kind of irredeemable dickhead" :v:

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/Timbo75948987/status/1230938613615034369?s=19

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

ThomasPaine posted:

Sure but I'd always rather be single than in a relationship for the sake of it with someone I don't like. Tbh I think even the term relationship is kind of dumb because it implies something separate from friendship, whereas I see the two things as by definition the same thing. I'm in a relationship with someone because they're my best friend, that's not a coincidence. Though I admit I haven't always thought like that.

There are, if nothing else, moments of joy that you can experience with someone else that are very hard to replicate otherwise, and if you're someone who has very vivid memories of those, I can understand being willing to live with a lot of misery to get a chance at them again. Solitary life might be peaceful but it can be a little lacking in highlights by comparison. Some people would rather have highs even if it means a lot more lows. And that's not even getting into the unconscious associations you might have with various states of being. If you had the best time of your life in a relationship it's not unusual to associate solitude with the absence of that.

Tanith
Jul 17, 2005


Alpha, Beta, Gamma cores
Use them, lose them, salvage more
Kick off the next AI war
In the Persean Sector

Ash Crimson posted:

Wexit? Waleaving?

Wassail!

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013


Is that the email that Jaeluni mentioned as being sent in error?

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Just bought a new headlamp for my hardhat and both times I've tested it I've looked directly at the light when turning it on. What I'm saying is I'm not Britain's best and brightest.

Sloth Life
Nov 15, 2014

Built for comfort and speed!
Fallen Rib

OwlFancier posted:

There is a lot of societal pressure against being single, it takes a particular confluence of thoughts and circumstances, I think, for people to be at peace with it. And even then there's still things you miss.

I am single and just came home from a short break in the country. Being single on holiday was so strange. Zoo? I'm the only one there both single and without kids. I could feel parental side eye (why at the zoo alone??) Cable car? All alone because I'm not in a pair, family or group of any kind. Eating alone in the pub? Feel weird for taking up a table for 2.

Lonely evenings.

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

Jose posted:

If ever there is a time to get it over and done with its now
Yep. 4 years till next election, get RLB in, ramp it up, ram it through, get the party aligned leftwards in time to present a united front.

If Starmer gets in then everything's probably hosed and we're better off spending energy outside Labour, but god knows where. Maybe building community bunkers.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
Have to admit eating out alone is something I find really hard, impossible to not feel awkward. Have to do it a fair amount when travelling for work and never got used to it.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Sloth Life posted:

I am single and just came home from a short break in the country. Being single on holiday was so strange. Zoo? I'm the only one there both single and without kids. I could feel parental side eye (why at the zoo alone??) Cable car? All alone because I'm not in a pair, family or group of any kind. Eating alone in the pub? Feel weird for taking up a table for 2.

Lonely evenings.

Dress like a dracula. Feels much more natural eating alone if you dress like a dracula. People also will still look at you funny, but it's probably not cos you're alone :v:

Source: me at goth weekend.

Also if you're eating alone you can concentrate on the food more.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006
try going to the cinema alone

20 loving 20 and you still get looked at like you’ve sprouted a third arm

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Jose posted:

this seems as good a thread as any to ask for recommendations on bluetooth earphones that have good battery life. I've got some cheap anker ones but their battery life is a bit poo poo and i'm going to be spending a lot of time listening to music at my new job

I bought these a few weeks ago based on a really positive youtube review, and they've been solid gold in all that time. Really cheap for the really good quality, and hold a charge for a LONG time, dead easy to set up.


Anyway, I love going to the cinema alone, especially since unemployment means I can do it on a weekday afternoon, I'm regularly the only person in that screening. Dunno if I could do eating alone at a proper restaurant though.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Julio Cruz posted:

try going to the cinema alone

20 loving 20 and you still get looked at like you’ve sprouted a third arm

I go to the cinema alone tons (often off when friends are working) it's great, I only ever felt uncomfortable when I went to see Pan.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

ThomasPaine posted:

Have to admit eating out alone is something I find really hard, impossible to not feel awkward. Have to do it a fair amount when travelling for work and never got used to it.

you put in earbuds and listen to a podcast and radiate a field of "don't talk to me", it's great

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Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

going to the cinema alone is fine if you're not watching children's movies

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