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Inner Light
Jan 2, 2020



Bingles posted:

I had an assignment due and waited to nearly the last minute and needed help! ('tis extra for this). I had no idea how to go about starting it. Danny helped me out and talked me through the basics...without doing my homework for me! He gave me recommendations on the work that I had, and a general format to follow for the remainder of the assignment.

Am I having a stroke?

:page3:

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Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.
Don't put Danny on your Resume.

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

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"Danny" is Parahexavoctal, the Goon who helps people with this kind of thing. He has banner ads. He also walked with a stick when I met him, and I am not sure he needed the stick.

Dik Hz posted:

What's your PhD in? Making the switch from academia to private industry isn't that big. Unlike academia, with a PhD in industry, you get treated as a subject matter expert, you have an actual shot at having a decent manager, the drama is less petty, and you get a lot more money.
It is a social science with a subfield that is extraordinarily relevant to metropolitan areas; not so much to Eastern Iowa. Oh hell with it, I am an immigration specialist; anyone dedicated to doxx me would not have much trouble following the handle at this point in my life anyway.

Anyway yeah, hence me probably heading back to Chicago soon and hoping for the best. But I would absolutely work for private industry in my subfield considering how many jobs there are (LinkedIn reminds me daily that there are hundreds of jobs that need my expertise; all I have to do is be in San Francisco or New York or DC or); if for some reason my wife decides to move after she gets tenure at her university, that will definitely be a good way to pick a new location.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡
What is an immigration specialist? What does a PhD in immigration specialism know?

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country
OK, here's draft 2, which I have dubbed Fanticrap.






My biggest issue is that by adding the additional experience, it pushed the size to two pages.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡
That seems really relevant experience and good to add. Still too wordy on the job descriptions. Getting there

bolind
Jun 19, 2005



Pillbug
PuTTY is not a skill on the same level as Cisco IOS, it's a friggin' terminal program for windows. You might as well put in Chrome. Make it something like shells or terminals or CLI or ssh or something else.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
I put SecureCRT on my skillset because that shows I care enough to use only the best terminal emulators.

I'd stick ServiceNow under your skills too. I know it's in the job description, but hey might as well.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

bolind posted:

PuTTY is not a skill on the same level as Cisco IOS, it's a friggin' terminal program for windows. You might as well put in Chrome. Make it something like shells or terminals or CLI or ssh or something else.

:doh: Damnit, I knew I forgot something

Krispy Wafer posted:

I put SecureCRT on my skillset because that shows I care enough to use only the best terminal emulators.

I'd stick ServiceNow under your skills too. I know it's in the job description, but hey might as well.

Is Salesforce considered a skill?

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

BigDave posted:

Is Salesforce considered a skill?

Yes, though I'd call out reporting, customizing, configuring, admin if you have any experience there.

"Troubleshooting" isn't really a skill, but "Remote Desktop Troubleshooting" could be.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

Lockback posted:

Yes, though I'd call out reporting, customizing, configuring, admin if you have any experience there.

"Troubleshooting" isn't really a skill, but "Remote Desktop Troubleshooting" could be.

Man I wish, our Salesforce access is highly restricted. Which is a huge pain when it comes to sorting through open tickets.

deadly_pudding
May 13, 2009

who the fuck is scraeming
"LOG OFF" at my house.
show yourself, coward.
i will never log off
Resume Friends:

I'm updating my resume after my mental health gap year, with the intention of getting remote contracts for, preferably, web dev. I see a lot of resumes floating around here that don't include contact info for previous work. Should I just scrub that stuff out of the document?

Also, should I nuke the old foodservice jobs out of there? All they're really good for is showing that I consistently hold a job for multiple years. Is it worse to have undocumented mystery years, or have like 3 years where I was the Assistant Manager at a Dominos before I finished my degree?

Aniodia
Feb 23, 2016

Literally who?

Looking to update my resume, as more of a "just in case" kinda thing, and I was just wondering how far back I should go time-wise with regards to jobs. For example, I've been at my current job about 4 and a half years now, so I was considering going back 5ish years just to have more than one job on my resume. At the same time, that other job sucked, management hella sucked and laid me off when work got slow in the winter (it was a retail tool rental job, with lots of skidsteers and other equipment that doesn't mix well with the upstate New York mid-winter frozen ground), so I'm not super keen on mentioning it if I could avoid doing so.

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

So I'm not actively looking to switch gigs since I'm still learning this at this job/haven't even been here 2 years yet, but a recruiter reached out on Linkdin about a job that sounded intriguing so I had a conversation. Well, we are having another conversation on Wednesday so I'm taking this a bit more seriously than I was.

It would be Sales engineering - mostly supporting current customers the first year then phasing in new business development (since I have zero actual sales experience at the moment). 100% remote with a ~25% increase in pay, but would require 50% travel visiting customers who are mostly in about a 3 hour radius. Providing own car but getting a stipend, benefits are apparently decent, pay is on target for the market/position.

Anyone have experience with this kind of job or transitioning from office non-sales to remote/sales position? I'm not sure I would take this specific job even if I got an offer due to the timing, but it is the kind of thing I'm interested in for the future so input would be appreciated.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

KitConstantine posted:

Anyone have experience with this kind of job or transitioning from office non-sales to remote/sales position? I'm not sure I would take this specific job even if I got an offer due to the timing, but it is the kind of thing I'm interested in for the future so input would be appreciated.

Sales engineering can be pretty cool, but its stressful and you'll be working in conditions where you have very little control. There are lots of impacts on being on the road that much, and if they say 50% keep in mind that means 100% for weeks on end sometimes.

It can be a good job and being a cowboy is always fun, but its certainly not for everyone so give it consideration. A lot of people do it for a couple years then launch into more technical product management or similar roles too.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

deadly_pudding posted:


Also, should I nuke the old foodservice jobs out of there? All they're really good for is showing that I consistently hold a job for multiple years. Is it worse to have undocumented mystery years, or have like 3 years where I was the Assistant Manager at a Dominos before I finished my degree?

Aniodia posted:

Looking to update my resume, as more of a "just in case" kinda thing, and I was just wondering how far back I should go time-wise with regards to jobs. For example, I've been at my current job about 4 and a half years now, so I was considering going back 5ish years just to have more than one job on my resume. At the same time, that other job sucked, management hella sucked and laid me off when work got slow in the winter (it was a retail tool rental job, with lots of skidsteers and other equipment that doesn't mix well with the upstate New York mid-winter frozen ground), so I'm not super keen on mentioning it if I could avoid doing so.

In general listen to this advice:

CarForumPoster posted:

If its obvious what they are include no details about them. Just one line with Company name, Your Role, Date,

Apple Store, Retail Associate, Dec 2010 - Aug 2012
Bubbas Rib Shack, Server, Jun 2009 - Nov 2010


I don't need details about that job other than those, but its nice to see a progression in someones work and maybe we both worked at the same place at one point.

I would definitely go back more than 5 years, probably at least back until you left school, but the jobs can be little one-liners with no detail.

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

Lockback posted:

Sales engineering can be pretty cool, but its stressful and you'll be working in conditions where you have very little control. There are lots of impacts on being on the road that much, and if they say 50% keep in mind that means 100% for weeks on end sometimes.

It can be a good job and being a cowboy is always fun, but its certainly not for everyone so give it consideration. A lot of people do it for a couple years then launch into more technical product management or similar roles too.

Thank you for the insight. Apparently this specific position is along the lines of a regional type deal - think a tri-state area situation - but still good to take into consideration, especially given this is a primarily European company with manufacturing in Asia.

I have a lot to think about.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

KitConstantine posted:

Thank you for the insight. Apparently this specific position is along the lines of a regional type deal - think a tri-state area situation - but still good to take into consideration, especially given this is a primarily European company with manufacturing in Asia.

I have a lot to think about.

Yeah, my old job did something similar. Sometimes it'll be "At client site Tues and Thurs this week, probably just for the afternoons" sometimes it'll be "Be at this client's site every day for the next 3 weeks, probably weekends too. It's only 50 miles away but decide how many days you want to just spend at the hotel". It'll depend on the customer, the sale, and how the quarter is doing. Of course every company is different but the nature is something of a feast or famine.

I did back-office support for a bunch of these guys. It was fun, sometimes we'd have to build wacky solutions on a time crunch, sometimes we had to meet some weird rear end requirement that would net a 8 figure deal. Sometimes we'd crush the implementation and lose the client anyway because the sales guy took them to the wrong golf course or w/e.

Keep in mind even with a car stipend, if you're on the road that much you'll end up spending more money on that lifestyle than you realize. Unwinding is going to cost a little more, you'll wrack up smaller costs fatser than you realize, you lose some of that "I'll just leave at 2pm today to go do a thing" flexibility. 25% pay increase might not translate into more dollars as much as you'd think, though it might be a good way to get unstuck if you're career isn't moving like you'd like it to.

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA

CarForumPoster posted:

What is an immigration specialist? What does a PhD in immigration specialism know?
I imagine this is not a joke, but I am not sure how it is not a joke. What I know is... more about U.S. immigration policy and history than, well, anyone who ever talks about it on television for one

If you specifically meant "I have never heard of a Ph.D. in Immigration" well fair enough, it is just the specialty for my broader social science doctorate

I also worked in immigration for the federal government, making me the most dangerous kind of academic who actually has theoretical AND practical(!) experience in his subject

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

Dr. Quarex posted:

I imagine this is not a joke, but I am not sure how it is not a joke. What I know is... more about U.S. immigration policy and history than, well, anyone who ever talks about it on television for one

If you specifically meant "I have never heard of a Ph.D. in Immigration" well fair enough, it is just the specialty for my broader social science doctorate

I also worked in immigration for the federal government, making me the most dangerous kind of academic who actually has theoretical AND practical(!) experience in his subject

I think what is weird is usually someone like that would just be a Lawyer, not a PhD.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Lockback posted:

I think what is weird is usually someone like that would just be a Lawyer, not a PhD.

what? there's a strong difference between executional - how to navigate current immigration policy - which is what a lawyer does, and policy development - what should immigration policies be to achieve objectives and how do you enact them - which is what an academic / phd does

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA
Yes, what he said.

I can certainly confirm that a substantial percentage of the people with advanced degrees at my federal job were former immigration lawyers, though.

Some higher-ups were very excited that someone like me was actually interested in being involved with the process instead of just talking about how it was all bad! And other higher-ups kind of openly denigrated my doctorate since they only had a high school education and it served them just fine. Go Vermont!

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Apr 12, 2010



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represent

neaden
Nov 4, 2012

A changer of ways
I just got a rejection email from a job I interviewed for almost three months ago. I'm sure there were reasons for it that made sense on their end but it just kind of comes off as rude. Like I already figured I didn't get it at that point.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

neaden posted:

I just got a rejection email from a job I interviewed for almost three months ago. I'm sure there were reasons for it that made sense on their end but it just kind of comes off as rude. Like I already figured I didn't get it at that point.

I got a rejection email for a job I had applied for the year before.

It scared me for a second, because I thought someone had stolen my identity and was applying for jobs in my name.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Dr. Quarex posted:

I imagine this is not a joke, but I am not sure how it is not a joke. What I know is... more about U.S. immigration policy and history than, well, anyone who ever talks about it on television for one

If you specifically meant "I have never heard of a Ph.D. in Immigration" well fair enough, it is just the specialty for my broader social science doctorate

I also worked in immigration for the federal government, making me the most dangerous kind of academic who actually has theoretical AND practical(!) experience in his subject

Ahh cool, no that didnt come to mind. Random thought: there are a bunch of startups in the immigration space. Most of them on navigating the complexity of the legal process. Most run by JDs. If you could talk to the CEO of an immigration startup/charity like https://www.immigrantslikeus.org/ is there a way your training could add value to that business? Is that something you'd be interested in?

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

neaden posted:

I just got a rejection email from a job I interviewed for almost three months ago. I'm sure there were reasons for it that made sense on their end but it just kind of comes off as rude. Like I already figured I didn't get it at that point.
If it makes you feel any better, some HR drones just finally pushed the "close listing" button on their application tracking system, triggering the rejection auto-mails.

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA

CarForumPoster posted:

Ahh cool, no that didnt come to mind. Random thought: there are a bunch of startups in the immigration space. Most of them on navigating the complexity of the legal process. Most run by JDs. If you could talk to the CEO of an immigration startup/charity like https://www.immigrantslikeus.org/ is there a way your training could add value to that business? Is that something you'd be interested in?
Ooh, thanks; yeah, I had started playing around with the idea of seeing if some of my other immigration academia bros wanted to start a consultancy or, you know, seeing something like this where someone already did it and might want me to join up. Gonna contact this dude RIGHT NOW

I am also trying to make something happen with a woman I know who does climate change forced relocation consulting and is very convinced she can get a cut of Bezos' new $10 billion, but something tells me even if she does it will not actually solve all my problems. STILL GOTTA HUSTLE THOUGH

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country
OK, here's draft #2, 'Craptacular'




Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

BigDave posted:

OK, here's draft #2, 'Craptacular'


This is looking pretty good.

I think you could get this to 1 page if you wanted. I probably would but it's probably not a big deal either way. If you wanted to cut you could get the objective down to 2 sentences, and every single job really only needs 3 bullet points of 1-2 lines each. You are still doing a little too much "Describing what a support analyst does" which will be self evident to people who manage support analysts. If you could fluff the skills and licenses section a little bit that would be good too. I'd go spend a couple hours learning basic SQL and Python online and then put "SQL, Python (Some Experience)" on there.

At this point though I think this is a Good Resume, though, so you probably only need to iterate until you feel good about it. It's leaps and bounds from where you started.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

CarForumPoster posted:

is there a way your training could add value to that business? Is that something you'd be interested in?

Dr. Quarex posted:

Ooh, thanks; yeah, I had started playing around with the idea of seeing if some of my other immigration academia bros wanted to start a consultancy or, you know, seeing something like this where someone already did it and might want me to join up. Gonna contact this dude RIGHT NOW

I am also trying to make something happen with a woman I know who does climate change forced relocation consulting and is very convinced she can get a cut of Bezos' new $10 billion, but something tells me even if she does it will not actually solve all my problems. STILL GOTTA HUSTLE THOUGH

I know some people in this space and could give you feedback on pitching them if they also didn't know what your degree was.

i.e. can you describe a specific value add? Like how does the knowledge gained through your PhD relate to adding value to these types of companies?

CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Feb 26, 2020

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

BigDave posted:

OK, here's draft #2, 'Craptacular'






Better, titles with no details should be self evident. I'd call it "Insurance Authorization Specialist"

Also "Assistant Sales Support" sounds a lot like "Sales Development Representative" in job function. Prior work as an SDR is likely relevant in tech companies if that's your IT goal. IDK what "assistant sales support is" but SDR is an industry standard term.

Still think your descriptions are too wordy, you should write this for the person reading it rather than how you see your role at the previous company. For example, if you're an IT guy no one needs to know:
Paid 5 invoices per month, composed of 200 separate orders. Verified invoices of accuracy and checked freight costs.
Consider dropping it or, if you insist, get it to one line:
Verified costs and paid invoices for 200 orders per month.

This could be 1 page. I don't hate 2 page resumes at all, but you need to tell a clear story to stand out from other applicants. More words = less clear

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA

CarForumPoster posted:

I know some people in this space and could give you feedback on pitching them if they also didn't know what your degree was.

i.e. can you describe a specific value add? Like how does the knowledge gained through your PhD relate to adding value to these types of companies?
I appreciate your help; there is probably a reason I have only ever gotten government jobs or jobs through referrals, as if I knew how to explain my value to people outside my field, that would surely crack this job search thing wide open. This is probably why working for the government was so appealing for me, because I did not have the chance to explain myself or my value to the job (for good or ill) even if I wanted to.

The best answer is probably my synthesis of academia and government: I am someone who ceaselessly comes up with creative ideas grounded in meticulous and extensive research, and also appreciates from first-hand experience the insane difficulty involved in actually making any changes.

Plus I am like Alpha Wordsmith, great at keeping projects on track, and probably the least dour person in any office... but depending on the position, those might be seen as useless (or worse). Sure, you always hear that strong writing skills are invaluable in nearly any job, but being great at it never comes up in interviews (I even have awards to prove it!).

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Lockback posted:

I like the format, Interests is fine, it's not like it's taking a ton of room. References I'd take out but w/e.

1. Too much describing of your job, not enough accomplishments. The last job in particular reads very disappointing and that's the one that gets the most attention.

2. What jobs are you looking for? Your hard technical skills don't come off as great and probably why you're not getting interviews for the next level. I am assuming "Experienced" is below "proficient" and listing "Datacenter Support" as not proficient seems like a concern since you appear to be a Datacenter Support Engineer. I think you should probably do a complete tear-down and rebuild of the skills section.

3. See my advice above about getting on the security track, you probably need to start getting some cloud skills and then focus in on DB or Devopsy/CICD or software development/SRE stuff. Basically you're a generalist but that isn't what the next level up is about.

What jobs are you looking for/applying for?

Just wanted to thank you for the advice. I added some measurable performance stats, but in the meantime got an interview using my old resume. I gave them the new one at the interview and the work metrics definitely helped. I also gave them sanitized examples of my technical writing. Whether it helped enough, I will know soon.

Also, surprisingly enough the manager liked the bathroom break line since he has a recently potty trained son. Talk about writing to your audience.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡
Your opinion requested: If you were getting let go for combined business and performance reasons, would you like it if your boss updated your original resume to show all the stuff you accomplished while there and gave it to you with your severance?

Details:
I'm 1 year in to managing a team and sadly need to terminate someone next week. This person is exceptionally academically qualified but the project they were hired to work on, which was similar to their research, didn't get legs. I moved them to a new team with more practical/core business type coding and they didn't perform well compared to the other people on that team who had less experience than them. We did a PIP with a ton of structure relative to their title/position as a Sr Engineer rate which they met barely and resisted accepting the feedback from. They did better for a month or two after but they're the highest paid person on the team. We plan to offer severance and a period of time we'll verify their employment for so they can find another job while still having a job.

I was thinking of doing what I do for people in this thread and updating their resume. Bad idea?

Truman Peyote
Oct 11, 2006



If you've made the decision to terminate you should do it right away and that should be the conclusion of your business imo. I would personally not want any favors from the guy who just fired me.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X

Makeout Patrol posted:

If you've made the decision to terminate you should do it right away and that should be the conclusion of your business imo. I would personally not want any favors from the guy who just fired me.

Agree 100%.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡
Yea makes sense, feels bad tho

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

CarForumPoster posted:

Your opinion requested: If you were getting let go for combined business and performance reasons, would you like it if your boss updated your original resume to show all the stuff you accomplished while there and gave it to you with your severance?

Details:
I'm 1 year in to managing a team and sadly need to terminate someone next week. This person is exceptionally academically qualified but the project they were hired to work on, which was similar to their research, didn't get legs. I moved them to a new team with more practical/core business type coding and they didn't perform well compared to the other people on that team who had less experience than them. We did a PIP with a ton of structure relative to their title/position as a Sr Engineer rate which they met barely and resisted accepting the feedback from. They did better for a month or two after but they're the highest paid person on the team. We plan to offer severance and a period of time we'll verify their employment for so they can find another job while still having a job.

I was thinking of doing what I do for people in this thread and updating their resume. Bad idea?
Bad idea. Their resume is their business and you shouldn't be trying to manage it for them.

Also, you put them on a PIP and they resisted feedback. That's insta-fire territory, and you shouldn't be hitching any more horses to that wagon. It'll bite your rear end next.

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Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Interview question:

I have an interview with a company next week [sales, major IT company]. I've interviewed with this company before, several years ago, at that time the recruiter insisted on seeing multiple years' worth of W2s in the initial screen, per him that was company policy. I declined, didn't pursue and frankly the whole experience left a bad taste in my mouth. The new recruiter is aware I've interviewed with this company in the past, if she asks why it didn't go anywhere at that time, how should I answer? Be up front about it? Be vague?

I wouldn't have accepted this at all (under the assumption that the policy was still intact, even if it is insane) if it weren't for the fact that a friend was recently offered a sales role and wasn't asked for any financial documents.

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