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Tiggum posted:There's no "becoming" and anonymity doesn't even factor into it. Most of those people will post the same poo poo from their real-name Facebook accounts and have been saying those things out loud for years. True, but anonymity definitely encourages some people to push further than they otherwise would.
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Tiggum posted:There's no "becoming" and anonymity doesn't even factor into it. Most of those people will post the same poo poo from their real-name Facebook accounts and have been saying those things out loud for years. Yep, absolutely.
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Senor Tron posted:True, but anonymity definitely encourages some people to push further than they otherwise would. It just removes all learned reflexes that kept the subject individuals at bay irl, showing their real inside. Also the more a person is exposed to anonymous interactions vs real life social interactions, the more of their inside comes out.
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Catching up on Discovery, which I gave up on during Season Two. Wtf is this genocidal space Hitler proposes a foursome with the science crew subplot? Was a queer person even twenty feet from this script when it was being written? Sonequa Martin Green's reaction to the story about her parent's death is very very good though. Edit: wait. Their plan is so create a time paradox by killing the younger version of a time traveller, thus forcing the time traveller to turn up and tell them the future, which they otherwise would not know. So they're gonna threaten a time paradox in order to cause another, seperate time paradox. What? Lol, Space Hitler scoping out the breakup of the gay couple so she can angle for rebound sex. I'm sassing the show, but it's dumb fun. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 11:02 on Feb 25, 2020 |
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Open Source Idiom posted:
It's worse because the whole premise of that plan turns out to be wrong. The Discovery Crew are loving morons.
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zoux posted:Measure of a Man If you think about it we just completed this character/episode arc.
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Please do not imply that the writers, feckless and lazy as they are, are aware of previous Star Treks, as they are NOT
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Open Source Idiom posted:Catching up on Discovery, which I gave up on during Season Two. Wtf is this genocidal space Hitler proposes a foursome with the science crew subplot? Was a queer person even twenty feet from this script when it was being written? Everyone in the mirror universe is bi.
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zoux posted:Please do not imply that the writers, feckless and lazy as they are, are aware of previous Star Treks, as they are NOT Sorry who has implied they're unfamiliar with previous stories? People have taken issue with how they've interpreted them, sure. I'd say it's concluded Maddox's arc only so far that he eventually succeeded in creating Androids. But he's dead now after barely saying a word, so any thematic resonance with his arc in Measure of a Man will have to be established retroactively. Maybe we'll get a Jurati flashback at least, I'd like to see them share a scene even with the new actor. Unrelated, but remember when Into Darkness just skimmed a wiki entry for Kirk's character and noticed the name Carol Marcus as a love interest, but instead of making her a pacifict scientist they turned her into an "advanced weapons specialist"? I didn't see anything on Wikipedia about whether this was explained by being a different time line (it wasn't) so I checked memory alpha... and her entry is wild 
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marktheando posted:Everyone in the mirror universe is bi. Malevolently bi. And, usually, superciliously bi.
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Brawnfire posted:Malevolently bi. And, usually, superciliously bi.
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Y'all I think The Intendant might not be straight
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HD DAD posted:As someone who really would like to enjoy Picard, and someone who genuinely likes the more...controversial Trek series, I’m really curious how you’re enjoying the writing of this show. And that’s a completely genuine question. I'll start by saying I watch both Discovery and and Picard, and I re-watched all of TNG, DS9, and Enterprise in the last couple of years. I didn't bother with ToS or Voyager because ToS is not my bag of dicks, and Voyager is the absolute creative nadir of Trek in my mind and I dislike pretty much everything about it. I also ignored most the films because, well, why wouldn't you? While I enjoy Discovery I much prefer Picard because Picard, to me, has more of a feeling of for lack of a better phrase "being Trek". And by that I mean specifically of sitting alongside the other TV shows. Discovery is somewhat overwrought and prone to the cliches of people people having drawn out inappropriate conversations about their feelings at the same time as the peril of the week is seconds away from destroying everything. It is far more in line with the recent films, which is okay, but not quite what I want. Also gently caress that Klingon re-design. Picard is somewhat calmer than that so far, and I like that. Picard has, first and foremost, the titular character. He's not quite the same as we knew in TNG (I pretty much ignore the film versions of him) but that is to be expected. If he were it would be rather ridiculous and we'd all be asking what the point was. Better that he be an extrapolation of what TNG Picard could have become. I like that he is the great person misguided by arrogance and rendered weak by time, trying finally to do what is right before his end. I think there's a different but consistent type of heroism to that, and an example that is particularly pertinent to our time. I really like his Romulan housekeepers, and Rios (& his holograms). I think Elnor has charm and potential beyond his apparent archetype. Going back to the holograms, I much prefer how they've been handled so far as opposed to the Doctor in Voyager. Granted they seem to be serving different storytelling purposes, but I prefer this one. I'm not sold on Raffi, but at least there might be something there to explore. The dialogue is a bit rough in places, yes. But then some of it is spot on like the Seven/Picard talk about humanity in the latest episode. The technobabble reconstruction of Dahj's apartment was awful. But here's the thing, the dialogue in Trek,, has always had absolute shite sitting alongside every memorable line. The technobabble has, equally, always veered from acceptable to utter bollocks. Nothing has been as execrable as "yum yum" or as awkward as Tilly's shouting about the power of math. The godawful Romulan sister is approaching that though, her and the weird incest-y vibe she gives off can get to gently caress. The things I dislike about Discovery's writing are all present, but so far are toned down to a level where they are a distraction as opposed to an intrinsic feature, in my mind anyway. To me what I've seen so far of Picard has put it firmly on a par with the average-to-good level of TNG, DS9, and later Enterprise episodes. It hasn't had anything to match the stand out great episodes yet, but then we've had what, 5 episodes so far while they had 452 between them. All that being said, don't get me wrong none of this is as finely crafted as the first season of The Terror, or any of The Expanse. But then, neither was old trek.
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I like the show. The plot feels more like something that came out of the Expanse but since i like that show too i'm fine with it.
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Lizard Combatant posted:Sorry who has implied they're unfamiliar with previous stories? People have taken issue with how they've interpreted them, sure. Peachfart posted:lol if you think any writer for Picard ever watched Measure of a Man
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This is all very reasonable. I'd say I agree with the majority of your points and I enjoyed reading them.
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Consider me now better informed.
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Evernoob posted:I like the show. Really? How so? Apart from being a space mystery I don't see any plot similarities.
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Anybody else suspecting that they put Riker and Troi in the trailer so we wouldn't give up on the series until, at least, they show up?
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CPColin posted:Anybody else suspecting that they put Riker and Troi in the trailer so we wouldn't give up on the series until, at least, they show up? Promoting the show using popular characters that people like in the trailer, those bastards.
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I meant, specifically, putting them in the trailer, then holding them until late in the season.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:The dialogue is a bit rough in places, yes. But then some of it is spot on like the Seven/Picard talk about humanity in the latest episode. The technobabble reconstruction of Dahj's apartment was awful. But here's the thing, the dialogue in Trek,, has always had absolute shite sitting alongside every memorable line. The technobabble has, equally, always veered from acceptable to utter bollocks. Nothing has been as execrable as "yum yum" or as awkward as Tilly's shouting about the power of math. The godawful Romulan sister is approaching that though, her and the weird incest-y vibe she gives off can get to gently caress. If I could get past the editing and pacing, I might agree with this, but I can't so I don't. It's like TNG as viewed through a JJ Abrams funhouse mirrror, which is less jarring than TOS reflected in the same way. The stakes always amount to "the end of everything" and the characters always resolve them without growing. Along the way we get signposts that remind us what franchise we're watching, but otherwise it's always the same story. It doesn't help that they seem to have hired the editing team from the US version of Hell's Kitchen.
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FlamingLiberal posted:The best kind I'll admit to being superciliously bi in my time
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CPColin posted:I meant, specifically, putting them in the trailer, then holding them until late in the season. I don't think they re-arranged the plot of the show to make the trailer more effective, no. From following the filming news a little, the Troi and Riker bits weren't filmed early.
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CPColin posted:Anybody else suspecting that they put Riker and Troi in the trailer so we wouldn't give up on the series until, at least, they show up? Again, this is a popular and well reviewed show outside of this forum
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CPColin posted:Anybody else suspecting that they put Riker and Troi in the trailer so we wouldn't give up on the series until, at least, they show up? Yes. I'm sure they were thinking "drat it, who's going to watch a show about Captain Picard? The only way we're going to keep an audience is by teasing a cameo by Deanna Troi! Seven of Nine? Nah, chuck her in anywhere, nobody will care about seeing her again!"
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zoux posted:Again, this is a popular and well reviewed show outside of this forum
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hey zoux it's literally impossible to be wrong about a personal opinion, how about you stop posting about how popular this show is as if that's going to change anyone's mind or shut down criticism in this thread
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lol when people are like "You think the entire marketing strategy around this show is taking into account that it sucks and is bad" pointing out that that's a minority opinion is entirely relevant. Also personal opinons can't be "wrong" but they can be loving stupid.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:hey zoux it's literally impossible to be wrong about a personal opinion, how about you stop posting about how popular this show is as if that's going to change anyone's mind or shut down criticism in this thread The people suggesting Disco and Picard are unpopular are wrong though.
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marktheando posted:The people suggesting Disco and Picard are unpopular are wrong though. That's just you're opinon sir
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Giggs posted:"There are so many references to star trek in Picard, how could anyone possibly say it's not trek enough?"  !!!!!!!!!!!!!Ladies, gentlemen and other-gendered, I present to you (along with profit-motivated entertainment), The Problem(TM).
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marktheando posted:The people suggesting Disco and Picard are unpopular are wrong though. Picard, yes. Disco by the only impresise metrics available would be considered mixed. But seriously, who cares in the slightest about how popular something is? I agree that claiming it's unpopular (particularly before a season is finished) is inaccurate, but it's just as irrelevant as saying that it is popular. Big Bang Theory is certifiably fressssssh with overwhelming positive audience scores, while something like The Witch is rated poorly by audiences across nearly every one of these terrible aggregator sites that everyone puts so much stock in. Does that matter a god drat? Hell no.
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Lizard Combatant posted:Picard, yes. Disco by the only impresise metrics available would be considered mixed. Of course it doesn't matter for my enjoyment, except it's nice to know a show you like is likely to be renewed. But it's dumb when people come into this thread assuming that because they don't like something it must be a disaster. Saying Disco is unpopular is absurd. We don't know the viewing figures, but TV networks don't reward unpopular shows with like 20 spinoffs.
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marktheando posted:Of course it doesn't matter for my enjoyment, except it's nice to know a show you like is likely to be renewed. But it's dumb when people come into this thread assuming that because they don't like something it must be a disaster. Saying Disco is unpopular is absurd. We don't know the viewing figures, but TV networks don't reward unpopular shows with like 20 spinoffs. As I said, by the only impresise metrics available. Namely audience scores, which I personally put zero stock in for aforementioned reasons. You're right, we don't know the viewing figures. Are they making further spin offs to capitalise on its success or are they diversifying the Star Trek brand to regain lost viewers and build a streaming service with a steady release of content? We don't know and it doesn't matter. Unpopular/popular is a useless argument whichever way you're approaching it from.
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marktheando posted:TV networks don't reward unpopular shows with like 20 spinoffs. Normally, no, but the KPIs for streaming are completely different. For all we know, Disco is performing horribly by TV standards but they ran the math on subs and figured it was worth doing as a loss leader to get people on the platform so they can monetize later. They're not looking at the same ad buy spectrum at all, they're more likely trying to build a userbase big enough to attract big clients.
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Lizard Combatant posted:Are they making further spin offs to capitalise on its success or are they diversifying the Star Trek brand to regain lost viewers and build a streaming service with a steady release of content? I mean I won't say the second thing is impossible since people are often stupid, but they would have to be really really stupid to respond to an unsuccessful show by spending five times as much money on other similar shows.
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