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++ Irradiation for Eldar Clegg ++ e: the most terrifying and destructive race in warhams 
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The BBC would make a lot more sense as a dark eldar front organization.
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Feb 25, 2020 14:30
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its a shame we can't trust kier's lot because eye-rolling labour sexism aside (he's just more electable, he's just got authority) they have a decent pitch imo, and i wouldn't be surprised if kier is considerably more popular with voters than RLB. he's marketable to voters in a way that RLB isn't imo. otoh his swotty elite niche isn't gonna be very effective against bojos people v parliament stuff. not convinced he could win, but i don't think any of them can. i guess labour's big problem is that along with being a broad tent the left and right have also basically burnt all their bridges between eachother, i'm actually up for some reconciliation in order to boot the loving tories out and get homeless people off the streets but i can't trust them and i'm sure the feeling is mutual.
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Feb 25, 2020 14:44
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I feel like it was them doing the bridge burning and then blaming us for it tbh. Also not sure there was ever a bridge as much as they just wanted us to vote and campaign for them and do as we were told.
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Feb 25, 2020 14:47
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OwlFancier posted:I feel like it was them doing the bridge burning and then blaming us for it tbh. lol we were not exactly gracious in victory either, we didn't purge them or whatever (only because corbyn wouldn't, if it had been up to us...) but things haven't been civil on either side since as long as I can remember. I don't think there is much opportunity to come together but i hope i'm wrong. but if situations were reversed and the labour centre had been running a very divisive turbo-centrist we hated for 5 years then lost catastrophically, if the centrists came to us for reconcilliation what would we say? "Bend the knee." we wouldn't be like "he had some good ideas, lets discuss a synthesis" e: which actually, to be totally fair to him, the kier campaign is doing. its just, as said, we can't trust him to be doing it in good faith Communist Thoughts fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Feb 25, 2020 |
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Feb 25, 2020 14:56
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Communist Thoughts posted:lol we were not exactly gracious in victory either, we didn't purge them or whatever (only because corbyn wouldn't, if it had been up to us...) but things haven't been civil on either side since as long as I can remember. The centrists did do that, and they didn't come to us for reconciliation. They continued to insist we had been wrong, were wrong, and would continue to be wrong.
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Feb 25, 2020 15:04
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mehall posted:The centrists did do that, and they didn't come to us for reconciliation. yep, which is what we're doing right this moment
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Feb 25, 2020 15:11
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Communist Thoughts posted:lol we were not exactly gracious in victory either, we didn't purge them or whatever (only because corbyn wouldn't, if it had been up to us...) but things haven't been civil on either side since as long as I can remember. The left has not actively sabotaged the center all the time it was in control. The left has been dutiful and worked to support the center for decades, and when we elected someone we wanted, they refused to accept it, and actively worked to run him into the ground, despite his attempts to work with them. And when we lost catastrophically because of the actions of the centrists and their sabotage they now claim to be in the right. They are not, they deserve no reconciliation, they can bend the loving knee or rot in hell. No more conciliation, no more open hands of friendship offered to worthless snakes like them. I do not have patience for this nonsense that there is any equivalence between us. The center has failed, utterly and completely, even in victory they failed because their precious sensible candidate is one of the most loathed people in the UK and his political legacy is war, benefits cuts, xenophobia and social policy that would make the tories cheer. And they have lost every effort they've tried since entirely by their own hands. We are not equivalent. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Feb 25, 2020 |
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Feb 25, 2020 15:11
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OwlFancier posted:The left has not actively sabotaged the center all the time it was in control. The left has been dutiful and worked to support the center for decades, and when we elected someone we wanted, they refused to accept it, and actively worked to run him into the ground, despite his attempts to work with them. And when we lost catastrophically because of the actions of the centrists and their sabotage they now claim to be in the right. we can't just pretend we didn't lose 2019 lol, its childish. how convenient for us that it was all the evil centrists and not our own candidate and campaign that lost it. it requires absolutely no reflection or growth on our part. of course there is equivalence between us, they don't think our poo poo works and want a candidate who does their poo poo, if our positions were reversed we'd do the same. if we had a majority of leftist MPs in labour you wouldn't want them resisting centrism? this post reads like taking our ball and leaving, but after we've already lost the match
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Feb 25, 2020 15:23
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it feels like we lost, but also won, because corbyn seems to be on tv more than the actual prime minister
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Feb 25, 2020 15:28
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My reflection and growth is that centrists are a loving blight on society and the party needs to get rid of them so it can start presenting a working policy platform enthusiastically and coherently without them tripping over their own dicks to poo poo on it 24/7. If your takeaway from the last 4 years is just "corbyn bad" and not "the shitheads in the party have done nothing but sabotage us at every loving step which cost us what could have been incredible inertia at a time when the tories were weakest" then I don't know what to say to you. Do you not stand for anything? Refute what I posted if you disagree, but if all you're going to do is complain that my arguments are arguments and therefore are just like their arguments without even trying to engage with the fact that mine are loving correct and based on reality then I don't know how I'm supposed to have a conversation with you. Are you actually incapable of any degree of analysis beyond "well both sides are saying things and I don't know how to feel about people who say things, seems like saying things is common ground between us"?
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Feb 25, 2020 15:30
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tbh I suspect if you went up to the mic and said "the purpose of our movement should be to abolish liberalism and capitalism" you would lose about 80% of the Momentum demographic as it actually exists, never mind the dread centrists defining socialism downward, as mike beggs wrote a while ago
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Feb 25, 2020 15:40
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Communist Thoughts not living up to his username in this, the UK Marxism Thread, of all places 
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Feb 25, 2020 15:44
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ronya posted:tbh I suspect if you went up to the mic and said "the purpose of our movement should be to abolish liberalism and capitalism" you would lose about 80% of the Momentum demographic as it actually exists, never mind the dread centrists I would settle for loving social democracy, quite happily, as it can be built upon, but the party is full of pieces of poo poo who can't even abide that. They have to go. They belong in the tory party, not this one, and we cannot do our loving jobs while they're here, nor do I have a desire to wash another two decades of life down the drain as they squander yet another opportunity on stupid neoliberal poo poo. They can get the gently caress in line and shut the hell up or they can get out. But we can not afford to let them continue to be a thorn in our side.
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Feb 25, 2020 15:46
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https://twitter.com/ScramNews/status/1232311595306496000?s=20 Tobys union attracting all the big hitters it seems! Toby Young posted:“That doesn’t mean we’d defend him from criticism on social media or the mainstream media – we’re in favour of free speech, after all,” Young said. haha let's see how well this shakes out
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Feb 25, 2020 15:49
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Apropos:  (source)
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Feb 25, 2020 15:49
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Real bang up job the shithead brigade have done building a fairer society with their bullshit. Very helpful.
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Feb 25, 2020 15:52
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https://twitter.com/EmmaKennedy/status/1232056536832315392?s=19 Emma Kennedy sucking up to a Republican working for Bloomberg attacking Sanders to get rid of Trump. Honestly just the ideal of liberalism.
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Feb 25, 2020 15:55
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I'm enjoying the thread's favourite snack this afternoon  https://i.imgur.com/clxDmag.mp4
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Feb 25, 2020 16:07
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the replies are pretty great https://twitter.com/charliemale/status/1232063514585554946?s=20 in what possible world would that be the end of Boris? I can't even tell parody from real life anymore Pilchenstein posted:I'm enjoying the thread's favourite snack this afternoon 
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Feb 25, 2020 16:07
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I did find this on his timeline lol https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1232227307911290880
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Feb 25, 2020 16:10
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I cannot into English this. If Trump Goes Johnson? Does that mean if Trump starts acting like an entitled prick with poo poo hair? If Trump Goes Johnson is? Seems very philosophical. If Trump Goes Johnson is comes to an abrupt halt? 
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Feb 25, 2020 16:14
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Lol Trump leaves the EU to get a USA trade deal then Sanders comes into power and shunts the same requirements as the EU on him if he wants trade.
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Feb 25, 2020 16:15
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In the least surprising breaking news of the century... Westminster child sex abuse: Senior police and politicians knew about widespread paedophilia but ‘turned a blind eye to it’, inquiry finds   But without police, who would protect us from the pedophiles.
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Feb 25, 2020 16:20
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OwlFancier posted:I would settle for loving social democracy, quite happily, as it can be built upon, but the party is full of pieces of poo poo who can't even abide that. They have to go. They belong in the tory party, not this one, and we cannot do our loving jobs while they're here, nor do I have a desire to wash another two decades of life down the drain as they squander yet another opportunity on stupid neoliberal poo poo. Labour as a party isn't democratic-centralist and has never been; bitter dissent is something that lasted since the party became something recognizably modern. Taking this dissent to the membership, the Labour voters, or all the voters, even at expense of violating cabinet collective responsibility, has been an entrenched practice since Tony Benn proved that one's career cannot be meaningfully punished for it... I get where you are coming from - if one sees party cohesion as critical, it emerges naturally; it's why D-C as a concept exists - but if it was ever plausible it has only become less so as the Labour left has itself embraced the neoliberal vision of collective political action OwlFancier posted:Real bang up job the shithead brigade have done building a fairer society with their bullshit. Very helpful. the predominant "fair" has the bourgeois sense of fairness, mind you, not the socialist one... deserving poor and all that. That terrible universe where young people tell the focus groups that they feel that the problem is that hard work doesn't pay, by which they mean the 1%, but at the same time also scroungers, and the delicate task of the Labour communications team is selling the former without tipping their hand on the latter it's still true even under Corbyn's Labour... the left could openly rage against the language of workfare and hand-up-not-hand-out when the centrists ruled the party, for its complicity in the terrible injustice of Capitalism, but once in party control it too found itself constrained to challenging the Tories on the metric of Making Work Pay
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Feb 25, 2020 16:24
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Guavanaut posted:I cannot into English this. all we know is; never go full Johnson
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Feb 25, 2020 16:30
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The melts and wreckers can either get with the loving program to the point that they fully become comrades, or they can rot forever in well-earned obscurity, imo.
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Feb 25, 2020 16:31
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Guavanaut posted:I cannot into English this. If Trump goes, Johnson comes to an abrupt halt. I think you're joking but just in case.
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Feb 25, 2020 16:31
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because Trump into Johnson won't go
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Feb 25, 2020 16:31
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Regarde Aduck posted:If Trump goes, Johnson comes to an abrupt halt.
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Feb 25, 2020 16:35
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Personally I'm more worried by the prophecy of universal oblivion. Not because I dislike the idea but more that I'm curious what he knows that I don't.
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Feb 25, 2020 16:38
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It doesn't mean anything. It's a centrist trying to look smart by pointing out the similarities between trump and Johnson with absolutely no point to make doing it. Centrists are just the dumbest most self defeating people going.
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Feb 25, 2020 16:38
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Their twitter bio is a treat too if you haven't looked at it yet
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Feb 25, 2020 16:40
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Facehammer posted:The melts and wreckers can either get with the loving program to the point that they fully become comrades, or they can rot forever in well-earned obscurity, imo. You might find that the reverse happens if it goes they way it's predicted now and the melts win.
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Feb 25, 2020 16:41
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Hosni Mubarak has shuffled off this mortal coil.
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Feb 25, 2020 16:42
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David Steel just quit the Lib Dems.
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Feb 25, 2020 16:44
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OwlFancier posted:Personally I'm more worried by the prophecy of universal oblivion. Belshazzar, whiles he tasted the wine, commanded to bring the golden and silver vessels which his father Nebuchadnezzar had taken out of the temple which was in Jerusalem; that the king, and his princes, his wives, and his concubines, might drink therein. Then they brought the golden vessels that were taken out of the temple of the house of God which was at Jerusalem; and the king, and his princes, his wives, and his concubines, drank in them. They drank wine, and praised the gods of gold, and of silver, of brass, of iron, of wood, and of stone. In the same hour came forth fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaister of the wall of the king's palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote. Then was the part of the hand sent from him; and this writing was written. And this is the writing that was written, If Trump Goes Johnson is comes to an abrupt halt... it all ends.
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Feb 25, 2020 16:45
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For knowing about noncing and doing nothing about it.
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Feb 25, 2020 16:47
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I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say 'who?!'
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Feb 25, 2020 17:04
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thespaceinvader posted:I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say 'who?!' The little mole guy from Spitting Image!
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