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gently caress Steel. How can you know something like that and then not report it. Also, thread. I wanted to ask something, it is relatively unimportant: Would you say it is possible for us to truly change as people? I know that this is the internet and hence everything usually has a very high amount of irony and dissassociation from the self, but do any of you think it's possible to truly improve and change as a person when faced with ones actions?
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Steel knowing about Cyril Smith came out ages ago, he's only now resigning?thespaceinvader posted:I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say 'who?!' He was speaker in the Scottish Parliament for a while.
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Josef bugman posted:gently caress Steel. How can you know something like that and then not report it. Yes, I've changed quite a lot in the last decade. Also I am always posting 100% unironically.
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Feb 25, 2020 17:12
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thespaceinvader posted:I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say 'who?!' Really? Does this make me old? He was former leader of the Liberal Party & first leader of the post-merger Lib Dems. He was also the first Presiding Officer of the Scottish Parliament (which is Speaker basically). Garbage Liberal who covered up a paedophile MP is what he'll mostly be remembered for though.
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forkboy84 posted:Really? Does this make me old? He was former leader of the Liberal Party & first leader of the post-merger Lib Dems. He was also the first Presiding Officer of the Scottish Parliament (which is Speaker basically). If you can remember the liberal party then yes you are An Old.
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Feb 25, 2020 17:13
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marktheando posted:Steel knowing about Cyril Smith came out ages ago, he's only now resigning? A big report came out that said basically everyone in power in the police and politics knew about rampent rape and child molestation by the rich and powerful and did nothing about it because they fear the rich and powerful.
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Feb 25, 2020 17:13
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Josef bugman posted:gently caress Steel. How can you know something like that and then not report it. You seem like a good dude bugman, with your heart in the right place. You keep hinting that you view yourself as some kind of terrible person but I've not seen any evidence of this being true. To answer your question, yes. Even tories can improve and change.
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Feb 25, 2020 17:14
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Aramoro posted:You might find that the reverse happens if it goes they way it's predicted now and the melts win. Kier Starmer as leader of the Labour Party will not win a general election, and the idea of any of the other useless melts achieving it is laughable. Centrist liberalism is dead and it's not coming back, no matter how hard those who still cling to it wish it were.
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Feb 25, 2020 17:15
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Josef bugman posted:Would you say it is possible for us to truly change as people? Yes I believe so, I know I’ve changed a lot from when I was younger - weather that’s ‘true’ change or not depends on what you mean by that I suppose
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Feb 25, 2020 17:17
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Gonzo McFee posted:A big report came out that said basically everyone in power in the police and politics knew about rampent rape and child molestation by the rich and powerful and did nothing about it because they fear the rich and powerful. I've not really read it in much detail, but the headlines (Thatcher knew! Steel knew!) we knew about years ago.
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Facehammer posted:Kier Starmer as leader of the Labour Party will not win a general election, and the idea of any of the other useless melts achieving it is laughable. I actually worry he might but not because he's capable, but because I suspect johnson is going to gently caress up severely.
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Feb 25, 2020 17:17
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Fun fact about David Steel, he appointed Cyril Smith as Chief Whip as soon as he became Liberal leader. Despite having just been Chief Whip himself & so it was his job to have dirt on Liberal MPs to make sure they'd hold the line. Even though as far as I can tell he claims he didn't know until 1979. Which means he must have been a pretty loving bad Whip.
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Feb 25, 2020 17:18
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Josef bugman posted:gently caress Steel. How can you know something like that and then not report it. Unequivocally yes, it is possible. Time and effort can accomplish wonders. forkboy84 posted:Really? Does this make me old? He was former leader of the Liberal Party & first leader of the post-merger Lib Dems. He was also the first Presiding Officer of the Scottish Parliament (which is Speaker basically). Yes it makes you old. Though I was more going for the easy 'Lib Dems are irrelevant nobodies' joke than actually not knowing who he is, if I wanted to know that I'd've used the google. Like a young person :P
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marktheando posted:I've not really read it in much detail, but the headlines (Thatcher knew! Steel knew!) we knew about years ago. Yeah but that got memory holed and now the official report came out and wasn't a total whitewash.
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Facehammer posted:Kier Starmer as leader of the Labour Party will not win a general election, and the idea of any of the other useless melts achieving it is laughable. Well I guess that is true after Corbyn did so well at winning elections.
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Josef bugman posted:gently caress Steel. How can you know something like that and then not report it.
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Aramoro posted:Well I guess that is true after Corbyn did so well at winning elections. Starmar will do worse.
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Feb 25, 2020 17:23
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Gonzo McFee posted:Starmar will do worse. Who would do better though? I can see why Corbyn is not out and out backing RLB because that would just confirm her as Corbyn 2.0 which wouldn't be winning much either. Also why the gently caress is Ian Murray still a thing.
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Feb 25, 2020 17:26
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Aramoro posted:Also why the gently caress is Ian Murray still a thing. He's the man who mended our broken Hearts.
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Feb 25, 2020 17:27
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marktheando posted:He's the man who mended our broken Hearts. Untrue, he stepped down from his position in Hearts to become an MP.
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I feel I’m going to regret asking this but where on earth did this thread title come from?
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Aramoro posted:Who would do better though? I can see why Corbyn is not out and out backing RLB because that would just confirm her as Corbyn 2.0 which wouldn't be winning much either. Anyone who isn't going to be wed to keeping the Brexit culture war the Main thing for the next five years. Anyone who isn't basically already a Tory.
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Luxury Tent Carpet posted:I feel I’m going to regret asking this but where on earth did this thread title come from? Guavanaut posted:It starts around about here:
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Aramoro posted:Untrue, he stepped down from his position in Hearts to become an MP. He was still doing Hearts stuff as an MP I'm pretty certain. Either way he gets given a lot of the credit for saving them.
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OwlFancier posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3912969&pagenumber=37&perpage=40#post502378912 not nearly as horrifying as I was expecting, tyvm
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Aramoro posted:Who would do better though? I can see why Corbyn is not out and out backing RLB because that would just confirm her as Corbyn 2.0 which wouldn't be winning much either. I don't think anyone can do better. loving Jesus himself could show up complete with glowing heavenly halo and direct word of god saying he should be in charge and the papers would still accuse him of antisemitism.
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If you subscribe to the notion that the loss was primarily due to fatigue and brexit, then the next leader mostly needs to be a: not corbyn and b: not a loving brexit nutter. And c: the melts need to not gently caress it up again, which they may do, but if they do we need to retaliate this time. Starmer of course, fails two out of 3.
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thespaceinvader posted:loving Jesus himself could show up complete with glowing heavenly halo and direct word of god saying he should be in charge and the papers would still accuse him of antisemitism.
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OwlFancier posted:I actually worry he might but not because he's capable, but because I suspect johnson is going to gently caress up severely. I worry that Boris fucks up severely, but by his strange alchemy, somehow turns it into an enormous advantage. Aramoro posted:Well I guess that is true after Corbyn did so well at winning elections. Obviously, the path to electoral success is Swinsonism.
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Feb 25, 2020 17:46
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thespaceinvader posted:I don't think anyone can do better. Well no wonder! He might be Jewish himself, but he made himself the head of a religion that said "all the stuff the Jews believe in? Don't worry about it. Just promise you'll be good to me, and Dad will see you right" - the Jewish chronicle, probably
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OwlFancier posted:If you subscribe to the notion that the loss was primarily due to fatigue and brexit, then the next leader mostly needs to be a: not corbyn and b: not a loving brexit nutter. And c: the melts need to not gently caress it up again, which they may do, but if they do we need to retaliate this time. Starmer of course, fails two out of 3. Big If.
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Yeah there was active sabotage from the loving Blairites the whole time Corbyn was in power. As far as I'm concerned the labour party should be split and formed into two parties, one called The Labour Party formed of the leftists, and the other called something idiotic like say The Independent Group formed of Blairites.
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*shrug* it's the only argument I think explains the discrepancy between 2017 and 2019. In 2017 labour had the initiative, even in spite of the wrecking, in 2019 the tories were stronger on brexit and the liberals were sniping from the other direction. Four years of fuckery takes its toll.
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qhat posted:Yeah there was active sabotage from the loving Blairites the whole time Corbyn was in power. As far as I'm concerned the labour party should be split and formed into two parties, one called The Labour Party formed of the leftists, and the other called something idiotic like say The Independent Group formed of Blairites. The trouble with this is that the Labour party element would end up being third if not fourth largest in parliament for at least another election if it did, and that would probably mean forever. The Parliamentary party, even after 5 years of Corbyn, is still melty as fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
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Feb 25, 2020 17:54
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Who are the good people in the NEC CLP By-Election?
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qhat posted:Yeah there was active sabotage from the loving Blairites the whole time Corbyn was in power. As far as I'm concerned the labour party should be split and formed into two parties, one called The Labour Party formed of the leftists, and the other called something idiotic like say The Independent Group formed of Blairites. Also the whole time Milliband was in power, in case anyone is thinking things will improve with a centrist leader.
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Feb 25, 2020 17:56
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sebzilla posted:Who are the good people in the NEC CLP By-Election? All the ones who have been given 'administrative suspension' so you can't vote for them.
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sebzilla posted:Who are the good people in the NEC CLP By-Election? Momentum e-mail posted:We're backing Lauren Townsend and Leigh Drennan for the CLP positions, and Nav Mishra - who is also backed by Unite, CWU, FBU and BFAWU - for BAME representative.
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When you definitely care about antisemitism https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1231913901962428417?s=19
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