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site posted:strange how they decided to suggest that the editors did not pay for the milkshakes It’s what stood out to me as well. Money didn’t enter into the “controversy” of a group of women taking a photo having acquired frozen treats. I guess when one’s position is as indefensible as gaters’, straw-manning is to be expected. This one just seems particularly out of the blue for some reason.
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Rhyno posted:Because women use their bodies to get free things. Duh. It can do a number on you when your only interaction with women is watching terrible porn.
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Dawgstar posted:It can do a number on you when your only interaction with women is watching terrible porn. Everything I know is a lie!
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Meanwhile, in "Christian Comicsgate": https://twitter.com/AbacusMike/status/1232009077191892993?s=20
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why are they all dressed like the girl from Cadillacs and Dinosaurs. And on a serious note I had to look up who Kaitlin Bennett was and now I must carry that knowledge with me to the grave.
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Dawgstar posted:why are they all dressed like the girl from Cadillacs and Dinosaurs. She's the one who poo poo her pants at a party
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Retro Futurist posted:She's the one who poo poo her pants at a party As long as she’s in them, her pants are full of poo poo.
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Some of you clearly don't know how to party.
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site posted:strange how they decided to suggest that the editors did not pay for the milkshakes Guess they're hoping it'll bring all the boys to the yard.
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Comicsgate: Paying creators for books that don't come out. Refunds maybe? Update: Backers of the campaign are freaking out because Ethan Fat Sciver gleefully stated that someone new was buying the project and they would get all their information. E the Shaggy fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Feb 27, 2020 |
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If it's a Kickstarter, there's no refunds offered unless you can manage to get a chargeback from your credit card
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Lol Ethan Van Scrier just sold a bunch of Nazi's private info on the black market. My only worry are the people who backed it without realzing who they gave their money to. Edit: Misunderstood what people were saying. Covok fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Feb 27, 2020 |
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So Noah Van sciver is good, right? I was looking for Eugene Debs books and apparently he did a comic bio of him last year. Definitely wouldn't fit EVS's politics
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Retro Futurist posted:So Noah Van sciver is good, right? I was looking for Eugene Debs books and apparently he did a comic bio of him last year. Definitely wouldn't fit EVS's politics Noah's the good brother.
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Retro Futurist posted:So Noah Van sciver is good, right? I was looking for Eugene Debs books and apparently he did a comic bio of him last year. Definitely wouldn't fit EVS's politics I posted a tweet a while back, and I think she deleted it since then, but Hannah Blumemreich implied he also did some not so good things, so maybe at best only in comparison to his brother
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E the Shaggy posted:Comicsgate: Paying creators for books that don't come out. Refunds maybe? Running the maths on the production, there really isn't a lot of money in that Kickstarter for the actual artists.
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What are you talking about, they'll get paid plenty! In exposure!
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https://www.cbr.com/alex-garner-accuse-francesco-copying-art posted:DC cover artist Francesco Mattina has found himself under fire from fellow artist Alex Garner, who has accused Mattina of swiping his artwork and re-purposing it for his own gain.
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E the Shaggy posted:Why does everyone buy this poo poo of "COMICS ARE GOING DOWN IN SALES" when that's clearly not the case? I thought superhero comics have been steadily dropping in sales for twenty years or more?
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fritz posted:I thought superhero comics have been steadily dropping in sales for twenty years or more? Yes and no. Sales for single issues as reported by diamond are down, yes. But those numbers don't include anything other then physical floppies. So no trades and no digital.
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"Listen DC, Frog based comics are the future. gently caress Bats, it's all about Frogs now."
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X-O posted:"Listen DC, Frog based comics are the future. gently caress Bats, it's all about Frogs now." If frogs weren't big then how could EVS have like 5 Kickstarters for the same comic? Checkmate
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X-O posted:"Listen DC, Frog based comics are the future. gently caress Bats, it's all about Frogs now." But what about the water that is turning them gay (buy my water filters)
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According to ICV2 , 2018 saw over a billion dollars done in comics alone along with a steady increase year to year. We don't have 2019's numbers yet but there's no reason to think it's under-performing. Even back issue sales have gone up, although there it's thanks to speculators who try to flip issues quick and thus is probably not sustainable.
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fritz posted:I thought superhero comics have been steadily dropping in sales for twenty years or more? 2016 was Marvel's best year since 1995 or something, it's definitely not just an uninterrupted downward trend.
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I think Edge & Christian once posted a list with numbers, but not only cape comics were on the rise (sales wise) young and early reader comics and graphic novels sell a ton. I think Raina Tagemeier is either the top comic author or the top GN author of the 12 - 16 crowd.
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Vincent posted:I think Edge & Christian once posted a list with numbers, but not only cape comics were on the rise (sales wise) young and early reader comics and graphic novels sell a ton. It's true. People absolutely forget the Scholastic book market. They "don't count" because not Spider-Man or whatever.
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Which makes complete sense with DC getting in with young adults and young kids market.
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Anyone who says comics are dying are cherry picking examples, when taken in totality it's an absurd argument on the face of it. If you want to argue that superhero comics and/or the direct market is dying, you could at least make cases for why it's shrinking, but when the data points for that are things like "the dollar value of physical copies of single issues ordered by direct market stores dipped down to $361M last year from a peak of $288M in 2015" you're grasping at straws for disastrous numbers. One thing I'm sure someone has put more thought into than I am right now is how speculation/back issues affected distorted sales from the 1980s into the early 2000s; I don't just mean the "buy cases of Deathmate and put them in a safe so you can buy a new Ferrari in three years when they're worth as much as Amazing Fantasy #15" levels of speculation, but just the idea that comic shops were largely built out of the concept of "having back issues". So if you were a decent sized comic shop making your order for X-Men in 1985 or 1994 or even 2004, you were not just planning to order enough copies for your pull list, and some amount to have on the shelves to sell through as a new release, but you also thought of the fact that you're supposed to have X-Men back issues in stock, not just valuable first appearances but someone's bound to come into the store a year or two down the line and is trying to complete their set and will want to buy some random back issues from five years prior. Prior to the early 2000s, the vast majority of comics never got reprinted, so your orders would probably reflect that. My understanding is that most comic shops really pulled back on this a long time ago, and today the majority of shops are trying to sell through as much of the New Comics rack within a few weeks as humanly possible. Comics in the direct market have always been non-returnable, so even taking out factors like physical and digital trades, libraries carrying trades, single issue digital sales, and piracy, I'm not sure that 50,000 fewer pre-orders for an issue of X-Men means that 50,000 fewer people are buying a copy of X-Men when it comes out.
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isn't it kind of a complicated situation in practice? like, my understanding was that, for the Big Two, EVS' take isn't technically wrong, it's just severely missing the forest for the trees since Warner and Disney don't really care about comics except as IP farms for things that actually do make widespread money (and comics are still useful for that even if nobody bought them- hell, comics that never actually got written or released are sometimes used as IP for other poo poo) e: like, yeah, sales are a tiny fraction of what they were in the 90s, but their actual profitability has only skyrocketed because it turns out comics were never the way to make money off comics WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Feb 29, 2020 |
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:isn't it kind of a complicated situation in practice? like, my understanding was that, for the Big Two, EVS' take isn't technically wrong, it's just severely missing the forest for the trees since Warner and Disney don't really care about comics except as IP farms for things that actually do make widespread money (and comics are still useful for that even if nobody bought them- hell, comics that never actually got written or released are sometimes used as IP for other poo poo) short answer, no long answer, no idiot
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Forbes: Surprising New Data Shows Comic Readers Are Leaving Superheroes Behind TLDR: superhero comics were 10% of comics sold in bookstores in 2019, down from 20% the previous year. That's not necessarily because they're selling fewer books, but because the overall comics industry is booming so rapidly. The people buying comics today are younger and more diverse than the audience DC/Marvel is capable of targetting, and publishers like Scholastic, Random House Graphic, etc., are making more relevant books. I suspect the teen generation who would historically be onboarding onto capes are now connecting with manga instead. No matter what niche genre you're into, there's probably a manga about it! The publishing industry is pivoting to where the money is. It's not social justice, just capitalism.
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I wonder how many of those books are about frogs
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Rhyno posted:I wonder how many of those books are about frogs Teens love Walt Simonson.
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How Wonderful! posted:Teens love Walt Simonson. drat millenials don't appreciate the brilliance of Throg.
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I loving despise EVS for what he's done to the reputation of super hero frogs.
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My understanding is that modern kids like frogs but only when they are anime girls in a super hero high school.
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