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Perry Mason Jar posted:I showed you my pile please respond New thread title please.
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Feb 25, 2020 21:30
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Perry Mason Jar posted:I just want the deck to be better than it is, I'm not competing or something like that. It's not that you can't build one, he more means that there isn't an established competitive UB deck. If you're wanting to make one for an FNM, that's fine. You need direction for what you want though, like what kind of strategy, or what cards do you want to build around, etc. Posting a list with no context doesn't help and saying "make it better" doesn't mean much when nobody knows what you want to do.
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Feb 25, 2020 21:31
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little munchkin posted:This is not true. It gives the ability to the creature it's attached to, so the creature's controller gets to choose. Thanks! Okay that's what I thought for Inevitable End based on logic but it got played at pre-release and judge ruled it the other way round? Knew I had to double check that cause it never made sense to me. I see. I like Tymaret for his toughness and I can use Wicked Guardian on him easily. You think it needs to be either/or? Standard primarily a kitchen table deck but I want the option to bring it to FNM if I ever end up going. I'm open to all suggestions, if I don't want to spend the money I'll find a substitute. I have a bunch of legal UB cards for it so it's at least a bit likely I have something that suggested.
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Feb 25, 2020 21:34
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I should've quoted my original post about it. I like the Thassa blink and I guess I want it to do that more than other stuff? But if there's a better route to take it that's fine. I've never built a deck before.
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Feb 25, 2020 21:35
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Okay that's what I thought for Inevitable End based on logic but it got played at pre-release and judge ruled it the other way round? Knew I had to double check that cause it never made sense to me. Yeah, for auras they used to say "When creature deals damage, gain life." or something, but now they usually grant abilities to the creature, so that whoever controls the creature also controls any effects/abilities. Of course there are always exceptions like Dreadful Apathy.
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Feb 25, 2020 21:38
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I just realized scryfall explains that rule at the bottom of the card's page.  It doesn't matter but the judge ruled without glancing at the card and I didn't appreciate it!
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Feb 25, 2020 21:41
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Mat Cauthon posted:New thread title please. please
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Feb 25, 2020 22:00
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Thanks! It's fine as is for a kitchen table deck, you can add more cards as you open more boosters or trade, don't worry about it too much. If you want to bring a deck to FNM, I'd encourage you to look up the current popular / best performing decks on websites such as https://mtgazone.com/mtg-arena-standard-decks-metagame-tier-list/ . See if any fancy your playstyle and buy the singles for them. From what you have so far you could start a decent mono-black deck.
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Feb 25, 2020 22:05
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WalrusWhiskers posted:It's fine as is for a kitchen table deck, you can add more cards as you open more boosters or trade, don't worry about it too much. I was beating my friend consistently for a while then I gave/traded him some cards to improve his deck and he started mopping the floor with me! It'd be helpful to know what cards don't work at all, what to generally to keep an eye out for/add, and if there's something missing (not enough instants or sorcery, not enough removal, etc), too many lands/not enough. Sorry if this is obnoxious. Perry Mason Jar fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Feb 25, 2020 |
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Feb 25, 2020 22:09
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Perry Mason Jar posted:I showed you my pile please respond There's a 4-of card limit in Magic, and you should take full advantage of it so you see the cards that make your deck work more often. If you like the plays with Lampad, you could get 4x Cauldron Familiar and 4x Witch's Oven. They're uncommons so they're very cheap. I'll be honest, most of the good food token generators are in green, so you might swap out the blue, but the most expensive food token card is Gilded Goose at $3 each. Might be a good start! Edit: Perry Mason Jar posted:I should've quoted my original post about it. I like the Thassa blink and I guess I want it to do that more than other stuff? But if there's a better route to take it that's fine. I've never built a deck before. I like blink effects too. Thassa is expensive, but she's the best blink spell in Standard right now. There's Flicker of Fate and Teferi's Time Twist, but both are one shot instants. You can try some things to get more uses out of them like going red for Feather, the Redeemed, or getting them back with Mystic Sanctuary, but it's pretty slow and the pricey Thassa is always the best thing you can do for blinking so you'd want at least two more. LifeLynx fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Feb 25, 2020 |
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Feb 25, 2020 22:10
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Sorry if this is obnoxious. well it is  as gently caress tho
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Feb 25, 2020 22:11
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ok sorry
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Feb 25, 2020 22:11
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Perry Mason Jar posted:I showed you my pile please respond Mmm quite, allow me to pull up the records of your request sire
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Feb 25, 2020 22:35
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Perry Mason Jar If you just want general deck ideas there are resources like https://deckstats.net/decks/f/standard/?lng=en or https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/custom/standard#paper that have a bunch of user submitted decks. However you should be aware that most of them aren't competitive, or even built using sound fundamentals. Please rank these statements: *I want to build a deck that uses only cards I own *I want to build the deck myself rather than get a list online *I want to do a particular color combo *I want to do a particular archetype/combo of cards *I want to have a chance to do well at an FNM It's pretty hard to build anything approaching a reasonable Standard deck from the cards you'll have at hand. You're building a bigger/better limited deck rather than a true constructed deck. Here's the principles I'd use to build a list from a big pile of cards like that. They won't get you anything approaching a competitive Standard deck, but they should get you something that can at least play games against other budget brews. A) Know your general gameplan. Is it to go under people, out power them, out grind them, build an engine, or control them? It sounds like you want to build engines to out grind people with value. B) Identify key cards/interactions Thassa + Aliros, Enraptured as a token generation engine is an excellent example here. It's pretty powerful and likely one of the better things you could be doing with a limited cardpool. Atris, Oracle of Half Truths, Gray Merchant of Asphodel, and Blight Breath Catoblepas all also stand out as cards to blink with Thassa in UB from Theros. Thassa's Oracle and Mire Triton are also both fine earlier plays. Woe Strider is a generically good card you can get a little value out of blinking. Or it's key enablers and payoffs in a more general synergy deck like your self-mill + escape deck. Enablers are Thirst for Meaning and Sage of Mysteries, but I don't see a lot of escape payoffs in UB. Woe Strider is good but I wouldn't jump through a bunch of hoops to escape it repeatedly. The rest are value cards and/or underpowered. UG however has Uro as a payoff for the mill and Setessan Champion as a payoff for the enchantments. There are also some powerful enchantments like the First Iroan Games. C) Assemble that core of cards, with as many copies of them as you can. Hopefully that's in the range of 10-25 cards. Too few and it might not be enough to reliably do what you want, too many and you're not going to be able to fit the rest of what you need into your deck. Even competitive meta decks usually need to have a few slots outside of their synergies to fill things out, and they tend to have very strong plan As often with cards that double dip into the other roles. D) Fill out the other parts of your deck. That's your Bombs, Interaction, and Value, at least for now. You want to end up with 35 spells. Choose one color to be the main color - you are allowed spells with double mana costs of that color but not the other, and you can only have one drops of that color. If you don't have a serious competitive core, it's usually worth still playing some on-color bombs even if they aren't on plan. For UB specifically, any Ashiok, Nightmare Muses you may have should definitely be in the deck. The community limited set reviews (https://www.mtgcommunityreview.com/theros-beyond-death) are good resource to figure out bombs, consider anything on color with an A- or better rating and some of the B+s. But remember that constructed is faster than limited so expensive cards are worse. And that the difference between 4 and 5 is less than 5 and 6 is less than 6 and 7. The goal of interaction is to disrupt your opponent's plans and not die to whatever they're doing. While people often use the word to mean cards that directly affect your opponent's cards, any card you have in your deck specifically to block or gain life against aggro should also count here. Theros has a good general discard spell, Agonizing Remorse, along with decent black removal. I wouldn't play the counters because you're going to want to tap out most of the time. UG has a harder time interacting directly, but a couple Warbriar's Blessings might be worth it, along with some good early blockers. UG has more interactive stuff for the sideboard once we get there. Value is anything that is worth more than a card. That can be drawing multiple cards, it can be dealing with an opponent's card while also doing something for you, or it can be creating multiple relevant bodies. U has good card draw, Escape is naturally value, creature with enters the battlefield effects can be good value, flickering them with Thassa is pure value. More value is good, but you can't focus so much on the future that you lose in the present. As you're doing this, keep in mind what a reasonable default mana curve for midrangey piles looks like: 10+ spells that cost two or less more threes than fours more fours than fives no more than 7 cards that cost five or more very few if any sixes no cards that cost seven or more This is a general rule of thumb, but you should have specific reasons to violate it. E) Lands! Throw in any on color shocklands or temples. For UB that's Watery Grave and Temple of Deceit. As a midrange pile, add taplands (Dismal Backwater then Dimir Guildgate) until you have 5 taplands total between those and the temples. Fill the rest out with basics, you can split 50/50 for now. You now have 60 cards. Enter/paste them into https://mtgoncurve.com/ with default settings. There is a full explanation in the About section, but for now what you mainly care about is the P(mana|turn) column. You want that to be 90%+ for all cards that you intend to play on curve, but without a stack of dual lands that's not happening. For now, just fiddle around with the amount of basics of each type until you've maximized your chances in general. If you have Fabled Passages, add those in place of basics, alternating type. We didn't do that until now because mtgoncurve doesn't do a good job of calculating with them. But in general, your mana gets a bit better for each one you add. If you have anything lower than about 75%, that's not playable. If your mana is good enough with enough dual lands, you can consider breaking the rules about primary color or reducing the number of taplands. ------------ I hope this helps, sorry I didn't see your first post earlier. I'll try to write up something about sideboards later if you'd like. Tom Clancy is Dead fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Feb 26, 2020 |
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Feb 25, 2020 22:43
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Thank you so much, very helpful! And yes sideboarding post is welcome. 
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Feb 25, 2020 22:51
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Y’all getting trolled.
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Feb 26, 2020 00:07
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Mat Cauthon posted:New thread title please. 100% the right call
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Feb 26, 2020 00:13
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Perry asked the thread if they should post about trying to get into deckbuilding as a new player here, we said yes. They posted about what they were thinking about and no one responded (again, Perry, sorry I missed this post). They posted a list with their thoughts about it and no one responded. If some of y'all wanted to help a new player instead of dunking on them, whining about the direction of the game/products, or talking twitter drama, you could have. Some of you are smart people and can figure stuff out from context. The list they posted is obviously a kitchen table pile made with what's on hand. There's general advice to give a player like that, useful questions to ask them. Perry could've also done a better job of tying it back to their previous posts and asking useful questions, putting less of the work on other people. I'm not saying the way they approached this was perfect. But let's try to talk about the game and help each other when it comes up?
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Feb 26, 2020 00:39
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Kurieg posted:Speaking of shiny pringles, has anyone gotten any shipping information on the Godstellations yet? My friend who bought the Year of the Rat bundle got it pretty quickly but i haven't even gotten my arena code from the Constellations bundle. I received my Godstellations on Thursday.  Edit: Also, they should've put Phage in the Women's Day set. I'm still waiting for them to make a Zagorka card. 
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Feb 26, 2020 01:09
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:They posted a list with their thoughts about it and no one responded. Well he did post in the middle of the US work day and gave the thread less than an hour and a half before his snarky follow up so...
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Feb 26, 2020 01:20
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Perry Mason Jar posted:I showed you my pile please respond I NEED this to be the thread title so badly
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Feb 26, 2020 03:07
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I would have liked Alesha in the iwd secret lair but it's pretty obvious that they want well known and popular Multicolor commanders who immediately read as women from their art, and Alesha is maybe two of those four categories Also whoever said they were taking all the gay off the cards and putting in the story has clearly forgotten about Two Gay Bros Who Built Meletis
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Feb 26, 2020 04:50
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ungulateman posted:Also whoever said they were taking all the gay off the cards and putting in the story has clearly forgotten about Two Gay Bros Who Built Meletis The ones from 2016?
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Feb 26, 2020 05:06
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Toshimo posted:The ones from 2016? do i look like i know how the linear passage of time works
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Feb 26, 2020 05:33
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They need to compensate for the dearth of lgbt characters by making core set 2021 Extremely Gay
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Feb 26, 2020 06:03
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LeafHouse posted:Well he did post in the middle of the US work day and gave the thread less than an hour and a half before his snarky follow up so... Honestly, that "snarky reply" is the only thing that would tip me into helping him. I just have zero ideas on how to help someone that won't buy cards. Other than linking them some beginners sealed guide.
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Feb 26, 2020 06:20
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The Clowner posted:They need to compensate for the dearth of lgbt characters by making core set 2021 Extremely Gay core set 2021 is teferi-themed and teferi is both straight and an enormous narc so i think we're out of luck
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Feb 26, 2020 06:26
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I remember when Teferi was the cool rear end in a top hat who put stink bombs in Urza's lab. Then he stopped being cool. Now he's just he rear end in a top hat.
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Feb 26, 2020 07:17
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ungulateman posted:core set 2021 is teferi-themed and teferi is both straight and an enormous narc so i think we're out of luck the thin blue mage line
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Feb 26, 2020 07:43
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Reminder that WotC printed a Teferi that completely undermines the fundamental premise of the game itself and no one seems to give a drat. Core 2020 Teferi will make the opponent be unable to cast creature spells or some dumb poo poo.
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Feb 26, 2020 09:08
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Is there a MtG Arena thread somewhere?
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Feb 26, 2020 09:11
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Katana Gomai posted:Reminder that WotC printed a Teferi that completely undermines the fundamental premise of the game itself and no one seems to give a drat. Core 2020 Teferi will make the opponent be unable to cast creature spells or some dumb poo poo. There is no doubt in my mind that the people who let Teferi tuck himself are same ones who didn’t actually test Oko’s +1 thoroughly enough
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Feb 26, 2020 09:25
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Big Centipede posted:Is there a MtG Arena thread somewhere? you mean like the one linked in the op?
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Feb 26, 2020 09:42
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Bust Rodd posted:There is no doubt in my mind that the people who let Teferi tuck himself are same ones who didn’t actually test Oko’s +1 thoroughly enough they're talking about time raveler's passive. the thing that really brought how insanely dumb it is into sharp relief for me was remembering dragons of tarkir spoilers and seeing dragonlord dromoka and being like "whoah, cool, my opponents can't cast spells during my turn! sure it's vulnerable to sorcery speed interaction and it's a 6 drop that doesn't immediately impact the board, but what a cool line of text!" teferi, time raveler's passive is better than dragonlord dromoka's on every single possible axis, is on a way better card relative to its mana cost, and has the added benefit of breaking various effects for no reason other than 'gently caress you'.
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Feb 26, 2020 09:50
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Wafflecopper posted:you mean like the one linked in the op? Goddamn it
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Feb 26, 2020 10:12
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ungulateman posted:teferi, time raveler's passive is better than dragonlord dromoka's on every single possible axis, is on a way better card relative to its mana cost, and has the added benefit of breaking various effects for no reason other than 'gently caress you'. Imagine wanting to reference poorly thought out cards from Time Spiral of all places. But that's Magic: Make a mistake years ago, push it forward anyway, can't fix things. Then worry about reprint equity and print some more pringles.
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Feb 26, 2020 10:34
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ungulateman posted:core set 2021 is teferi-themed and teferi is both straight and an enormous narc so i think we're out of luck well it seems like large corporations are extremely into making LGBT+ people into fuckin cops so maybe it's not so foregone
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Feb 26, 2020 15:04
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:a lot of thoughts on decks
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Feb 26, 2020 15:14
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Ok so I read his lore, first of all he sounds less like a cop and more like a complete fuckin doofus. Second of all, him banging jhoira doesn't preclude him from being bi. Third, his most recent appearance in the war of the spark novel is another interesting Phyrexia tease after Ashiok's discovery of them from Elspeth's memory
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Do they even mention Phyrexians in War of the Spark?
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Feb 26, 2020 15:46
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