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(A GGD is a local health agency for a small municipality, responsible for doing things like distributing vaccines in a certain city:)

The GGDs in the Netherlands are flooded with phone calls from citizens, healthcare providers and organizations that are concerned about the new corona virus. "We understand the concern, but panic is not necessary," says GJD team leader and infectious diseases doctor in Amsterdam Anja Schreijer. She speaks on behalf of GGD GHOR Nederland, the umbrella sector organization of the 25 Municipal Health Services (GGDs) and Medical Assistance Organizations in the Region (GHOR).

"To begin with, there is not yet one corona patient in the Netherlands, but we also have a very good and close-meshed system to curb the disease and, if that fails, to delay it as much as possible." According to her, restraint seems to work well in neighboring countries. The doctor also wants to urge people to check everything on the site of the National Institute for Public Health and the Environment (RIVM): "It contains sufficient good information."

Notification obligation

Since the end of January, doctors have been obliged to report a suspicion of the virus. In such a case, the doctor calls the GGD and the service must investigate whether there really is a suspicion. This may be the case with fever and cough and / or shortness of breath in people who have been in contact with a proven patient in the past two weeks or who have stayed in areas where the virus is widespread. The GGD then consults with RIVM whether a test should be done.

The areas mentioned are of course China, but also certain municipalities in Italy. Although winter sports are practiced in Italy, just like in Austria, Schreijer emphasizes that this is not about all ski resorts where so many people are on holiday now.

If there is a corona infection in the Netherlands, an entire protocol will immediately take effect. The patient is isolated, it is immediately investigated with whom he or she was in contact from the moment this man or woman showed symptoms and was therefore contagious, a so-called ring contact examination. “We will call all those people and ask them to keep a close eye on their health for two weeks and to report symptoms. If someone is infected, the entire protocol starts again. "

According to Schreijer, the GGDs currently have enough capacity to carry out all the research.

German not yet sick in the Netherlands

The German corona patient who has been to Limburg appears not to have been ill during his stay in the Netherlands. This eliminates the need for further contact research in the Netherlands, reports the National Institute for Public Health and the Environment (RIVM).

On Tuesday evening, RIVM announced that a German man who was tested positive for the new corona virus was staying in Limburg a week ago. The GGD therefore immediately launched so-called contact investigation. In the night from Tuesday to Wednesday, however, it became clear that the German patient was in Limburg on the weekend of 8 and 9 February, more than a week before the German had complaints in his own country, according to the RIVM.

Since he only got the first symptoms of illness more than a week after he was in the Netherlands, the RIVM considers there is no chance that the German has infected people in the Netherlands, says an RIVM spokesperson. “The vast majority of people who have fallen ill have been in contact with someone with symptoms of illness. Transmission often takes place via the picking up or coughing up of droplets in the nose or throat. You must have enough virus in you to be able to transfer it. "

RIVM posted:

How long can the new coronavirus survive outside the body?
A virus always needs a human or animal to "stay alive" and be able to share. The virus can only survive for a short time outside the body. How long that is exactly is still unknown.

Corona viruses cannot survive well outside the body. Certainly not on cardboard, packaging material or other items. Other coronaviruses do not spread in this way and we have no reason to believe that this is different for this new coronavirus (COVID-19).

RIVM posted:

Can contamination with the new corona virus (COVID-19) happen through a ventilation system?
The virus comes out of the nose, throat or lungs due to coughing and sneezing. The virus enters the air in small droplets. These droplets do not float in the air, but fall quickly. The sicker a person is, the more virus he can spread. There is no evidence yet that the virus can remain in the air for a long time and can spread through a ventilation system.

RIVM posted:

What can we say about infectivity during the incubation period?
The new corona virus is transmitted by coughing and sneezing. So far, the transmission of the virus during the incubation period, so before any complaints arise, seems to play a very limited role. It is known that the sicker a person is, the more virus he spreads.

Rectal Death Adept posted:

loving internet. How does that work?

Iron Crowned posted:

Tei posted:

I don't know, a serie of tubes.

If the internet gets down, we will be have to share ethernet cables and create small lan's. We would need games that are offline friendly. Ages of Empire. Diablo2. Quake 1,2,3. Unreal. People will need access to large collections of movies, music and porn. We could use these lan's to share whatever collections people have of these things. Hopefully your neighbors are into quality warez.

Remember, in a outbreak the health of the mind is has important the health of the body.

SchrodingersCat posted:

That fatality rate also doesn't take into account the collateral damage that will arise if the system is swamped and other people cant get access to care.

There is also the fact that people in the US don't go to the hospital until they are 90% dead because a trip to the ER costs at least 300$. So the system is going to get swamped pretty quick.

Lawman 0 posted:

https://twitter.com/AFPphoto/status/1232591380649738247

Dog Toothbrush posted:

I hope you're right I just don't trust Trump's (or any American) government to do the right or smart thing

WoodrowSkillson posted:

They will not initially, and it will only happen after a loving outbreak kills a few thousand old people in NYC or Atlanta or some other airline hub city and then they will have to bumble their way into doing it.

WoodrowSkillson posted:

They will not initially, and it will only happen after a loving outbreak kills a few thousand old people in NYC or Atlanta or some other airline hub city and then they will have to bumble their way into doing it.

triple sulk posted:

whoa 230 or so new posts

gradenko_2000 posted:

The American people are going to have to learn how to handle this at a community level

triple sulk posted:

whoa 230 or so new posts

twoday posted:

https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1232687603587174400?s=20

twoday posted:

https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1232687603587174400?s=20

orange sky posted:

Doctor: "So, sir we need to check up on everyone you had contact with - can you please write down the names here"

Infected guy: *writes down "Everyone"*

Doctor: "Sir this isn't helpful. Can you give us an approximate figure, the number of people you touched?"

Infected guy:https://twitter.com/2019nCoVwatcher/status/1232664376139747328?s=19

WoodrowSkillson posted:

People can be put up in hotels right by their workplace to minimize exposure, get hazard pay and bonuses funded by the govt to compensate them, etc.

The Alpha Centauri posted:

I'd be skeptical of any of these twitter news feeds popping up with the virus

Lote posted:

MPH or MD/MPH or PHD?

comedyblissoption posted:

lol

The Alpha Centauri posted:

I'd be skeptical of any of these twitter news feeds popping up with the virus

mastershakeman posted:

RIP

Pope Francis Age 83 years
14% fatality rate

WoodrowSkillson posted:

yes, after tons of people die and the cops refuse to stop rioters because they could get sick too, we will temporarily do things right and then learn nothing from the experience

WoodrowSkillson posted:

Thats not what i said but go off king. I said that once an actual response is initiated the govt will have a vested interest in keeping those services running and will provide help because it does more harm than good to NOT keep poo poo running and people in their homes. People can be put up in hotels right by their workplace to minimize exposure, get hazard pay and bonuses funded by the govt to compensate them, etc. Not every single town in america will face a full on Wuhan level outbreak, just like Beijing and Shanghai have not seen outbreaks of that scale.

And we were not just discussing the internet but power, water, etc. And power plants are indeed extremely automated as is water treatment.


Yes, thats why everyone, including me, has been encouraging people to prepare for such interruptions. And yes, if your modem breaks you likely wont be able to get a tech in to fix it, but you may be able to just go get one from the actual cable company office.

WoodrowSkillson posted:

Also a poo poo ton of that stuff is automated and they can function with a skeleton crew if the only goal is maintaining service.

comedyblissoption posted:

lol

orange sky posted:

Doctor: "So, sir we need to check up on everyone you had contact with - can you please write down the names here"

Infected guy: *writes down "Everyone"*

Doctor: "Sir this isn't helpful. Can you give us an approximate figure, the number of people you touched?"

Infected guy:https://twitter.com/2019nCoVwatcher/status/1232664376139747328?s=19

SchrodingersCat posted:

Yeah, none of that will happen in US. I am a health professional and many of the places I have worked have policies that you get written up and/or fired if you call in more than 6 times in a half-year period. I imagine the treatment of replaceable minimum wage workers will be even worse.

The US response will likely be voluntary quarantine for the sick with immediate "voluntary" resignation from their "right to work" employment. They won't get unemployment since their failure to report will be considered quitting. The CEOs and upper management will sequester themselves in their isolated second/third mansions and "telework".

The US government doesn't consider people making under 500k a year to be human. Once you take that into account the protocol becomes clear.

WoodrowSkillson posted:

Thats when the riots start then, cause then you have sick and desperate people with literally nothing to lose. And good luck convincing the cops to stop them when they also dont have masks and are scared. So then the choice is to let the sick and poor literally string up the those CEOs or actually manage the crisis.

SchrodingersCat posted:

I always reference Kent State.

US police and military forces are a lot more willing to kill US citizens than we would like to believe.