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They just announced the next batch of Historic Anthology cards for Arena, and if you expected them to start dumping Pioneer cards into the format ... it decidedly isn't that. A lot of spicy stuff.quote:1. Ancestral Mask
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the last Planeswalker art that was any good was Born of the Gods Kiora old magic art looked like the illustrations in some kind of Wizzard’s Almanack bound in imp skin. you’d frantically look up the page to cast a Fireball while some demon was bearing down on you and you’d get this handpainted woodcut of a fireball. Now it looks like still frames from MTG: the video game
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Feb 28, 2020 17:55
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I am so confused at their plan with historic.
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Feb 28, 2020 17:55
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neaden posted:I am so confused at their plan with historic. You are now qualified to work at Wizards.
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Feb 28, 2020 17:57
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neaden posted:I am so confused at their plan with historic. So are they. The plan seems to be that they really, really want mono black and soul sisters to be decks and beyond that they want
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Feb 28, 2020 18:00
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It feels like they're making a bunch of cards to cut down the number of suspended cards in historic- several of them seem to be direct answers to field of the dead.
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Feb 28, 2020 18:02
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neaden posted:I am so confused at their plan with historic. I think for now just make it a curated format that isn't sawn-off Pioneer or standard of late 2019 with 2 more sets. I assume at least Amonkhet and Kaladeah will be added, and I think the question of the extra historic-only cards will won't be addressed until we're near Pioneer parity.
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Feb 28, 2020 18:02
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Terravore?????
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Feb 28, 2020 18:02
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BizarroAzrael posted:I think for now just make it a curated format that isn't sawn-off Pioneer or standard of late 2019 with 2 more sets. I assume at least Amonkhet and Kaladeah will be added, and I think the question of the extra historic-only cards will won't be addressed until we're near Pioneer parity. But they are adding so many non pioneer cards, and influential ones. Unless they are planning on adding Thalia and Knight of the Reliquary to pioneer at some point for instance a format with them in it will be different then a format without.
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Feb 28, 2020 18:05
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I guess the idea is it's a bridge so that partially released pioneer is more exciting than just standard + 3 sets?
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Feb 28, 2020 18:05
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Maybe they are looking to hold on to Historic after Pioneer launches, so their design idea is, "What if we could take Modern, delete MH, then ban 1500 cards?" Then just take a couple of years to get there via card dumps.
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Feb 28, 2020 18:09
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My new pet theory is that they are testing cards for Pioneer, both for "will this warp the meta?" and "can we get this to work correctly in Arena?", prove me wrong nerds. kalvanoo posted:Terravore????? Terravore owns friend. Putting both that and Knight of the Reliquary in this release is Wizards begging me to sign up.
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Feb 28, 2020 18:21
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C-Euro posted:My new pet theory is that they are testing cards for Pioneer, both for "will this warp the meta?" and "can we get this to work correctly in Arena?", prove me wrong nerds. i know its just such a strange card for them to choose for this format. it should be in modern though
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Feb 28, 2020 18:24
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I'm happy to see them get a little more aggressive with it. There was a lot of really neat stuff in the first batch, but by the end of the season the only card that was key in a T1 deck was BTE. The Soul Sisters pieces were sort of T1.5. Ornithopter, Matron and Visionary will all turn up in good decks eventually, I assume.
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Feb 28, 2020 18:31
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C-Euro posted:My new pet theory is that they are testing cards for Pioneer, both for "will this warp the meta?" and "can we get this to work correctly in Arena?", prove me wrong nerds. I've considered that they are planning a Pioneer Horizons but it seems hard to believe they they'd try it out like this. Just because Thalia is fine in Historic doesn't mean it wouldn't cause problems in Pioneer after all. I thought at first they were just going to ignore Historic and let it die but they are putting more work into then that. The whole thing just seems so weird, I think the teams are just not communicating and the Arena people probably didn't know about Pioneer and made their own separate plans.
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Feb 28, 2020 18:36
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C-Euro posted:My new pet theory is that they are testing cards for Pioneer, both for "will this warp the meta?" and "can we get this to work correctly in Arena?", prove me wrong nerds. Apparently The Gitrog Monster is historic legal on mtga, which I had no idea about. Its febuary's brawl something or other so its brawl, historic brawl, and historic legal. Costs mythics to craft though.
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Feb 28, 2020 18:38
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Oceanbound posted:Don't be mean to Vivien, Bolas superglued her fingers to her arrow as a prank. Does she always need to be facing slightly right and surrounded by green ghost animals too though
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Feb 28, 2020 18:45
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C-Euro posted:My new pet theory is that they are testing cards for Pioneer, both for "will this warp the meta?" and "can we get this to work correctly in Arena?", prove me wrong nerds. Getting warmer
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Feb 28, 2020 18:46
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kalvanoo posted:i know its just such a strange card for them to choose for this format. it should be in modern though It should be and I'm still sore that they literally did "land cards in graveyards matter" as a theme for MH1 and didn't loving include it. Such an easy lay-up. neaden posted:I've considered that they are planning a Pioneer Horizons but it seems hard to believe they they'd try it out like this. Just because Thalia is fine in Historic doesn't mean it wouldn't cause problems in Pioneer after all. I thought at first they were just going to ignore Historic and let it die but they are putting more work into then that. Yeah, part of my theory involves playtesting for competitive balance for sure. But Pioneer seems fairly creature-dominated right now so maybe Thalia wouldn't be as impactful on the format?
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Feb 28, 2020 18:58
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The Unsanctioned thing is apparently retailing at 50$? For 5 30 card decks and 10 lands that seems extremely... bad. Like, who is this for at that pricepoint? Its a bad board game because it is only playable by 2 people with no avenue for expansion for the casual crowd, and 50$ is way too expensive for people that just want the lands. Paul Zuvella fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Feb 28, 2020 |
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Feb 28, 2020 19:04
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Paul Zuvella posted:The Unsanctioned thing is apparently retailing at 50$? For 5 30 card decks and 10 lands that seems extremely... bad. If my LGS is buying the lands for a decent price, I could see buying it and getting a built-in rebate. I thought there were enough cards for four people to play at once, not two. That's dumb.
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Feb 28, 2020 19:40
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Adding random cards to historic and then selling them for a decent chunk of change is not "putting in work" in some nebulous trial and error testing thing, it's literally just producing another format that screws with people's valuation system. Tough to figure that one out.Paul Zuvella posted:Like, who is this for at that pricepoint? Its a bad board game because it is only playable by 2 people with no avenue for expansion for the casual crowd, and 50$ is way too expensive for people that just want the lands.
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Feb 28, 2020 19:43
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MF Turin cancelled due to coronavirus. Probably not going to be the last.
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Feb 28, 2020 19:57
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Spiderdrake posted:Adding random cards to historic and then selling them for a decent chunk of change is not "putting in work" in some nebulous trial and error testing thing, it's literally just producing another format that screws with people's valuation system. Tough to figure that one out. I'm theorizing that WotC is introducing cards they want on Arena for Cube Drafts and looking for a little extra monetization on them from Historic.
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Feb 28, 2020 20:12
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the simplest answer is actually probably that the arena team does not give a flying gently caress about unifying formats, their reviews/employment/bonuses/what-have-you depend on the success of arena and so selling digital versions of powerful cards boosts arena's numbers right now and (hopefully) their paychecks and they can deal with whatever the gently caress historic counts as later on in life implementing and selling some of the high-powered cool cards from magic's history is a lot easier than implementing and selling relatively recent sets that will not have the same "oooooooooh" appeal to people - especially because going backwards they're quickly going to be in some of the worst sets
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Feb 28, 2020 20:19
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AngryBooch posted:I'm theorizing that WotC is introducing cards they want on Arena for Cube Drafts and looking for a little extra monetization on them from Historic.
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Feb 28, 2020 20:20
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evilweasel posted:the simplest answer is actually probably that the arena team does not give a flying gently caress about unifying formats, their reviews/employment/bonuses/what-have-you depend on the success of arena and so selling digital versions of powerful cards boosts arena's numbers right now and (hopefully) their paychecks and they can deal with whatever the gently caress historic counts as later on in life Kaladesh and Amonkhet are already implemented from the beta (possibly besides some of the presentational stuff of more recent sets) and supposedly Shadows as well, but that raises another issue, how and when do you add whole sets/blocks to the game with standard releases every three months. There might be a suitable gap in the summer, and my suggestion would be to do limited events for them in a quiet patch.
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Feb 28, 2020 20:30
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BizarroAzrael posted:Kaladesh and Amonkhet are already implemented from the beta (possibly besides some of the presentational stuff of more recent sets) and supposedly Shadows as well, but that raises another issue, how and when do you add whole sets/blocks to the game with standard releases every three months. There might be a suitable gap in the summer, and my suggestion would be to do limited events for them in a quiet patch. yeah doing limited events for them and just adding to the store is the only way to go. but once you get through kaladesh and amonkhet, you start getting into some pretty bad sets like SOI, origins, and then the battle for zendikar block - and people will be asking where those are so you can't really just do kaladesh and amonkhet as one-offs and then peace out for a year and a half without pissing people off
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Feb 28, 2020 20:33
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That and you need to give people a reason to spend on entrance fees. Limited crackheads like me will play old formats for the nostalgia, and others a couple times for the novelty. But if the cards from draft and prizes can't be used in any relevant event formats you're not going to sustain enough usage to fill out an entire set.
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Feb 28, 2020 20:45
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I don't know who the target audience for Un-sets in general is. I'm sure they're out there or WotC wouldn't be releasing this as their 4th un-product... unless MaRo is just super pushing his weird pet set with bad jokes and has more sway than I thought. It's one of those sets that, to me, is best experienced by just reading the spoiler and then ignoring it to play with real magic sets. I get that the last one was designed for limited (I played a 4 person sealed for it since we couldn't even get enough interest for a draft at the store) and it wasn't bad... it just wasn't worth it. I'd rather go for stuff like Conspiracy, normal sets, or maybe the 'new' convention chaos draft thing that I can't remember the name of. How many of you genuinely enjoy the Un-cards beyond seeing them spoiled?
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Feb 28, 2020 20:46
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Aranan posted:How many of you genuinely enjoy the Un-cards beyond seeing them spoiled? Unhinged is possibly the least fun set in the history of Magic but I've done several Unstable drafts and enjoyed them
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Feb 28, 2020 20:54
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If Kaladesh and Amonkhet are already loaded why are they not available for Historic? Why are all the decisions they make so baffling?
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Feb 28, 2020 20:55
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Aranan posted:How many of you genuinely enjoy the Un-cards beyond seeing them spoiled? i prefer them unspoiled
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Feb 28, 2020 20:57
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Elyv posted:Unhinged is possibly the least fun set in the history of Magic but I've done several Unstable drafts and enjoyed them Yes, Unstable draft was great. The main issue was not being able to convince people to do it because 100% of the cards (not counting basics) were useless after the draft rather than 95% of the cards like a normal set draft. And for me, I got the perfect augment deck the first time I drafted it so there was no way future drafts wouldn't just be disappointing.
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Feb 28, 2020 20:57
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Mike N Eich posted:If Kaladesh and Amonkhet are already loaded why are they not available for Historic? Why are all the decisions they make so baffling? Arena left beta at the Dominaria rotation and besides the Historic add-on they've not done non-standard releases.
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Feb 28, 2020 21:02
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The professor said you can get between 65-50% roughly of the buy in price if you chop it up and sell the lands but either way that's more work for less enjoyment than if I just made my own cube. Add this onto the "listen, your grandma knows you like magical cards and she went out of her way to get you this so just act happy" pile of Wotc products. It took me about 10 minutes to realize that you could have had 10-20 thirty card piles especially if you put some two card color combinations and that would let you make reasonable 3 color decks. Wasn't this the "parachute" product designed to save some sort of something mumble mumble gazpacho? I'm pretty sure this product makes as few ppl as possible happy
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Feb 28, 2020 21:03
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Elyv posted:Unhinged is possibly the least fun set in the history of Magic but I've done several Unstable drafts and enjoyed them I did an Unstable draft with a group of people who hadn't played Magic in years and they thought it was a blast. The very laid-back atmosphere made it easy for them to re-enter the game and have fun without needing to be great at card evaluation.
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Feb 28, 2020 21:05
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Mike N Eich posted:If Kaladesh and Amonkhet are already loaded why are they not available for Historic? Why are all the decisions they make so baffling? I've been told elsewhere this is very minor, though, and that implementing cards is intentionally not at all difficult so I dunno.
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Feb 28, 2020 21:13
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evilweasel posted:yeah doing limited events for them and just adding to the store is the only way to go. but once you get through kaladesh and amonkhet, you start getting into some pretty bad sets like SOI, origins, and then the battle for zendikar block - and people will be asking where those are so you can't really just do kaladesh and amonkhet as one-offs and then peace out for a year and a half without pissing people off soi is fine, eldritch moon is fine. i thought those sets played pretty well even if the power level was turned down a lil bit relative to where it should be. origins is a garbage fire. bfz and ogw are, like, homelands-tier.
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Heck I'm in for $29.99 even if Johannes Voss draws Thalia a little  The real hard part is trying to decide between which 5 Thalias to use in my Historic Soul Sister deck
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