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Mistle
Oct 11, 2005

Eckot's comic relief cousin from out of town
Grimey Drawer

Pharohman777 posted:

The wall street journal had an article today about the ongoing backlash against china by EU member states, and it ends up listing all the recent hissy-fits that the Chinese government has had there.

As miserably corporatist and conservative as the WSJ is, it's funny that they're having it out with the CCP.

No idea who's paying attention or who cares, but :munch:

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Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde
I just watched David Attenborough pet an extinct subspecies of rhinoceros and I'd like to see a few more plagues in China.

God, I wish the BBC would just let him call them out by name. "Far Eastern", my rear end.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
I'm afraid that outside of occasionally using maps with Taiwan as a seperate entity, the beeb has its mouth firmly latched to the PRC cock.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
First death in Thailand. This guy had a miserable last week of life as he somehow managed to get coronavirus and dengue.

Despera
Jun 6, 2011
Russia and China can have each other forever.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Chinese local officials force people to drink disinfectantl

This is in a running Washington Post update; scroll down.

quote:

Chinese villagers hospitalized with poisoning after taking disinfection tablets

BEIJING — Twenty-two people from 14 households in Huangmei County, southeast of the virus outbreak epicenter of Wuhan, have been hospitalized after taking effervescent chlorine dioxide disinfection tablets issued by their local epidemic prevention and control headquarters.

An investigation has been launched into how the people came to take the tablets, the Huangmei County publicity propaganda department told local media on Sunday.

The residents were ordered to drink the disinfectant tablets, dissolved in water, while the local party cadres took photos to verify that the treatment had been administered, the news outlet reported.

A nurse at Huangmei County People's Hospital confirmed Sunday that more than 20 people were being treated for poisoning, it said.

Screenshots of a group chat from Feb. 29, posted online, show a nurse from Huangmei County People’s Hospital saying they were rescuing more than 20 people from the village and that they were being treated at in the hospital’s emergency room.

Ailumao
Nov 4, 2004

Arsenic Lupin posted:

Chinese local officials force people to drink disinfectantl

This is in a running Washington Post update; scroll down.

this kind of poo poo is common in rural china. people forget the party doesn't have complete control like they think and a lot of very rural parts of china are basically the loving wild west with local governors doing crazy poo poo which is often super duper bad and harmful, esp. now when virus has people spooked.

i remember a friend told me she grew up in some rural rear end part of Anhui, and there was a time when for some reason her small town couldn't get any fresh milk, so the local government gave out a ton of white rabbit candy (a "milk" flavored candy which is actually p good) and told them to melt it down and drink it as a replacement lol.

other people
Jun 27, 2004
Associate Christ
I would vote for free white rabbit candy that stuff is delicious.

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

Arsenic Lupin posted:

Chinese local officials force people to drink disinfectantl

This is in a running Washington Post update; scroll down.

Not worse than baijiu

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
Small blessings, the virus has impacted Chinese industry so much, the pollution has dropped by an incredible amount.

sticksy
May 26, 2004
Nap Ghost

Magna Kaser posted:

i remember a friend told me she grew up in some rural rear end part of Anhui, and there was a time when for some reason her small town couldn't get any fresh milk, so the local government gave out a ton of white rabbit candy (a "milk" flavored candy which is actually p good) and told them to melt it down and drink it as a replacement lol.

This same idea worked so well with steel during the Great Leap Forward.

Honky Dong Country
Feb 11, 2015

Megillah Gorilla posted:

Small blessings, the virus has impacted Chinese industry so much, the pollution has dropped by an incredible amount.



:stare:

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse
Ehhhh an economic crisis and pestilence. Yay

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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China leading the world in environmental progress

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

Magna Kaser posted:

this kind of poo poo is common in rural china. people forget the party doesn't have complete control like they think and a lot of very rural parts of china are basically the loving wild west with local governors doing crazy poo poo which is often super duper bad and harmful, esp. now when virus has people spooked.

i remember a friend told me she grew up in some rural rear end part of Anhui, and there was a time when for some reason her small town couldn't get any fresh milk, so the local government gave out a ton of white rabbit candy (a "milk" flavored candy which is actually p good) and told them to melt it down and drink it as a replacement lol.

These stories always strike me like an almighty bureaucrat at the top makes a cynical joke, and his lackeys aren't really sure if taking it literally or not is the one that sends them to the gulag.

So they go with the save option and take it literally, killing a shitload of people

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Magna Kaser posted:

this kind of poo poo is common in rural china. people forget the party doesn't have complete control like they think and a lot of very rural parts of china are basically the loving wild west with local governors doing crazy poo poo which is often super duper bad and harmful, esp. now when virus has people spooked.

i remember a friend told me she grew up in some rural rear end part of Anhui, and there was a time when for some reason her small town couldn't get any fresh milk, so the local government gave out a ton of white rabbit candy (a "milk" flavored candy which is actually p good) and told them to melt it down and drink it as a replacement lol.

It was the party making people take poison...

Cheesemaster200
Feb 11, 2004

Guard of the Citadel

Mistle posted:

As miserably corporatist and conservative as the WSJ is, it's funny that they're having it out with the CCP.

No idea who's paying attention or who cares, but :munch:

China deported two WSJ reporters over hurt feelings and an opinion piece named "China Is The Real Sick Man of Asia". Ever since that I think they have started taken the gloves off with Chinese bullshit.

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008

Cheesemaster200 posted:

China deported two WSJ reporters over hurt feelings and an opinion piece named "China Is The Real Sick Man of Asia". Ever since that I think they have started taken the gloves off with Chinese bullshit.

To be fair that was a dumb title and they knew what they were doing. You can call out the Chinese economy without using colonial-era terms that are pretty iffy.

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010

LimburgLimbo posted:

To be fair that was a dumb title and they knew what they were doing. You can call out the Chinese economy without using colonial-era terms that are pretty iffy.

Agreed about the title, but keep in mind that the journalists who were deported not only were not the authors of that article, but weren't even in remotely the same department. The "sick man of Asia" article was a random op-ed piece presented in WSJ's Opinion section, not actual news/journalism. The absurdity here isn't that the CCP was angry over WSJ's article; it's that they took out that anger on people who had essentially nothing to do with it.

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008

Devils Affricate posted:

Agreed about the title, but keep in mind that the journalists who were deported not only were not the authors of that article, but weren't even in remotely the same department. The "sick man of Asia" article was a random op-ed piece presented in WSJ's Opinion section, not actual news/journalism. The absurdity here isn't that the CCP was angry over WSJ's article; it's that they took out that anger on people who had essentially nothing to do with it.

Aaah okay didn't know that, but also not surprised it's just dumb punitive stuff by the ccp

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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"Sick man of X" is also commonly used geopolitically and historically, not just with China but with any country that should in theory be stronger than it actually is. Mostly famously it's referred to the Ottoman Empire but practically every great power in Europe has gotten the title at some point.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Devils Affricate posted:

The absurdity here isn't that the CCP was angry over WSJ's article; it's that they took out that anger on people who had essentially nothing to do with it.

This has been the CCP's standard operating procedure for the better part of a decade. Just ask Canada's current and former hostages.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->
Don't forget future hostages

Darkest Auer
Dec 30, 2006

They're silly

Ramrod XTreme
Future hostage is a great username

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

LimburgLimbo posted:

To be fair that was a dumb title and they knew what they were doing. You can call out the Chinese economy without using colonial-era terms that are pretty iffy.

China isn't a former African colony. they are a world power that is doing its own colonialism now. we are allowed to make fun of them

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

Fojar38 posted:

Don't forget future hostages
This is what I'm worried about with the head of the WHO delegation.

bones 4 beginners
Jan 7, 2018

"...a masterpiece that no one can read too often, or admire too much."

Magna Kaser posted:

this kind of poo poo is common in rural china. people forget the party doesn't have complete control like they think and a lot of very rural parts of china are basically the loving wild west with local governors doing crazy poo poo which is often super duper bad and harmful, esp. now when virus has people spooked.

i remember a friend told me she grew up in some rural rear end part of Anhui, and there was a time when for some reason her small town couldn't get any fresh milk, so the local government gave out a ton of white rabbit candy (a "milk" flavored candy which is actually p good) and told them to melt it down and drink it as a replacement lol.

Let them eat cake, with Chinese characteristics

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe
I thought it was colonial language because you're grouping all of Asia together? :confused:

Even then, China isn't doing the worst, by a large margin.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Aha. China cracks down on 'sexual innuendo' and 'celebrity gossip' in new censorship rules

quote:

Sweeping new internet censorship rules have gone into effect in China, prompting concerns that authorities will further control information and online debate as the country reels from the coronavirus outbreak.

China’s cybersecurity administration has since Saturday implemented a set of new regulations on the governance of the “online information content ecosystem” that encourage “positive” content while barring material deemed “negative” or illegal.
...
Stil, the rules are vague in their definitions of what constitutes “negative content,” which under the rules include “sensationalising headlines”, “excessive celebrity gossip” as well as “sexual innuendo” and broadly any content that can have a “negative impact”.

So yeah, AO3 was doomed. Has post-Mao Chinese official culture been consistently anti-talking-about-sex?

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Why does China even bother having an internet or outside connections if they are just going to keep walling it off and laying death traps everywhere.

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

oohhboy posted:

Why does China even bother having an internet or outside connections if they are just going to keep walling it off and laying death traps everywhere.

The death traps are the point.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

oohhboy posted:

Why does China even bother having an internet or outside connections if they are just going to keep walling it off and laying death traps everywhere.

To let a hundred routers bloom, why else?

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Well, yeah.

It's rapidly getting to the point of becoming functionally useless.

Akratic Method
Mar 9, 2013

It's going to pay off eventually--I'm sure of it.

Any day now.

oohhboy posted:

Why does China even bother having an internet or outside connections if they are just going to keep walling it off and laying death traps everywhere.

How else would they find out what everyone's talking about on WeChat?

chinese hair cave
Aug 23, 2017

by Cyrano4747
I pop in from time to time on this thread. Please forgive me for this if the question was asked.

How much of a part did TCM play in making this coronavirus be as devastating as it is? I’m assuming people are going to the hospital built in 10 days and being told to eat rats dipped in urine or some poo poo and they’ll be fine. I don’t think there was much actual medicine done in the first crucial days of the outbreak

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost

chinese hair cave posted:

I pop in from time to time on this thread. Please forgive me for this if the question was asked.

How much of a part did TCM play in making this coronavirus be as devastating as it is? I’m assuming people are going to the hospital built in 10 days and being told to eat rats dipped in urine or some poo poo and they’ll be fine. I don’t think there was much actual medicine done in the first crucial days of the outbreak

little to none. the problem was local officials hiding the problem. china does have actual medicine fwiw

i know it was 'recommended' that people at home treat w/ TCM but that's like drinking herbal tea as a placebo. anyone with serious symptoms tried to get actual treatment

if you want to say the root cause was TCM because otherwise people wouldn't have put bats and pangolins in a wild food market in the middle of the city, then sure i guess

Mozi fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Mar 2, 2020

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Mozi posted:

little to none. the problem was local officials hiding the problem. china does have actual medicine fwiw

i know it was 'recommended' that people at home treat w/ TCM but that's like drinking herbal tea as a placebo. anyone with serious symptoms tried to get actual treatment

if you want to say the root cause was TCM because otherwise people wouldn't have put bats and pangolins in a wild food market in the middle of the city, then sure i guess

It was actually the root cause yeah

Sten Freak
Sep 10, 2008

Despite all of these shortcomings, the Sten still has a long track record of shooting people right in the face.
College Slice

Mozi posted:

if you want to say the root cause was TCM because otherwise people wouldn't have put bats and pangolins in a wild food market in the middle of the city, then sure i guess
:aaaaa:

welp

Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray
Pangolins are eaten as well, and it was probably the flesh and live animals (rather than the scales which are used in TCM) which passed the virus, although that's just an assumption.

If you add TCM to China's exotic meat fixation (and the two are linked quite closely) then yeah you could plausibly claim that TCM had a large role in all this, but it could've happened other ways and you could probably claim that eventually it would've happened regardless of those practices.

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peanut
Sep 9, 2007


News releases clearly state that the virus was _discovered_ in China, not that it evolved there (it did).

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