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Khizan posted:The alternative is effectively sentencing her to extrajudicial execution at the hands of the capitalists. Accordingly, I always let her go. She's playing you.
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Khizan posted:The alternative is effectively sentencing her to extrajudicial execution at the hands of the capitalists. Accordingly, I always let her go. I don't remember this 100%, but isn't she a corporate spy? I let her go, but honestly letting one corporate puppet kill another isn't much of a moral quandary.
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Mar 1, 2020 19:53
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She's a chaos elemental and needs to be stopped.
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Mar 1, 2020 20:27
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Re Klaasje, I let her go on my first playthrough and after thinking about it I regret it. It can be argued that her presence in Whirling-in-Rags and more importantly her actions on the night when the merc captain was killed was one of the main causes for the Tribunal. She essentially orchestrated the fake lynching, which was one of the reasons for the tribunal happening in the first place, and for the deaths of at least 3 innocent people. She could've bailed, and there were other options, but she chose to do what she did. All the effects this development had on the Wild Pines-Union struggle notwithstanding, the fact that she so effortlessly manipulated 8 people into getting into a very dangerous situation (which she could have easily predicted knowing the merc leader as close as she did), and the fact that doing this was her first decision makes me think that she does not have much regard for people around her and close to her, their livelihoods and their safety. She knew what she's getting them into, and she was fine with it (apart from some performative I'm Sad poo poo). She was also fine with throwing Ruby under the bus, a person who she knew had feelings for her, and what's worse, she was a-ok using these feelings to push Ruby into following through with this whole mess of a plan. I think this warrants stopping her from doing more harm in the future. nurmie fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Mar 2, 2020 |
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Mar 1, 2020 21:20
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Khizan posted:The alternative is effectively sentencing her to extrajudicial execution at the hands of the capitalists. Accordingly, I always let her go. Considering she herself was part of that capitalist extrajudicion when it suited her, and considering she's liable to continue spreading misery and death, I've no problem with her life of crime catching up with her. The one who talked about performative "I'm sad" poo poo is right. If she's not just pulling another fast one, her guilt doesn't let her off the hook, and honestly her attempt to drown her guilt with more partying and drugs makes me like her even less. She wants to run from the consequences of her own actions and has no problem with using others as human shields.
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Mar 1, 2020 22:40
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I hosed up the Suggestion check on the washerwoman to get her to sign the thing, and my Suggestion skill is capped.  How do I retry that check? I'm playing the thinker type character, so all my social skills are poo poo. I'm seeing that you can raise skill caps by doing drugs, but that this only works for your "main stat", which is certainly not Psyche. Am I just hosed on doing stuff for Evrart now?
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Mar 2, 2020 03:33
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Khizan posted:The alternative is effectively sentencing her to extrajudicial execution at the hands of the capitalists. Accordingly, I always let her go. Do we know that she's telling the truth about this?
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loquacius posted:I hosed up the Suggestion check on the washerwoman to get her to sign the thing, and my Suggestion skill is capped. You gotta do the drugs that raise the category of skill you want to invest a rank in to. There is another way I think interact with the envelope in your inventory, then forge a signature.
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Mar 2, 2020 03:48
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loquacius posted:I hosed up the Suggestion check on the washerwoman to get her to sign the thing, and my Suggestion skill is capped. There are a few Thought Cabinet ideas that can raise the skill (and also some that lower it, so beware), if you want to go that way with the quest instead of lying. If you started with very low psyche then Regular Law Official will raise all skill learning caps to 3. Passing the Encyclopedia check with your mirror will raise all psy caps by 1. Interacting with a particular difficult door and then thinking about it will unlock all psy white checks once.
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Promethium posted:There are a few Thought Cabinet ideas that can raise the skill (and also some that lower it, so beware), if you want to go that way with the quest instead of lying. If you started with very low psyche then Regular Law Official will raise all skill learning caps to 3. Passing the Encyclopedia check with your mirror will raise all psy caps by 1. Interacting with a particular difficult door and then thinking about it will unlock all psy white checks once. This is all great intel, but sirtommygunn's tip worked. Thanks guys 
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Re: Klassje She's a 'corporate spy' hired by Evrart to encite trouble to get Wild Pines to back off. She does this by manipulating Titus and the merc by sleeping with them. When the merc is killed, she stages the coverup to hide the bullet. This is why she hides the bullet trajectory from you until her plan is complete and she is already gone. She implicates Ruby to get rid of a loose end. She is not remorseful or worried about retribution. She sticks around after the murder to ensure her Plan B succeeds since she was expecting the Hardies and mercs to kill each other, not for the merc to be randomly murdered. Conclusion: She's a drat good corporate spy and should not be arrested. TommyGun85 fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Mar 2, 2020 |
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Mar 2, 2020 05:00
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Countpoint: Klassje can go have gently caress with herself.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Do we know that she's telling the truth about this? It's shown in a shivers (?) "Cutscene" iirc
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But we don't know that they're there to kill her, as she said. For all we know they're there to take her to trial in the mainland or wherever.
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Mar 2, 2020 05:17
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Hwurmp posted:dead gay comedy forums has some good ones: hey, thanks for the shout out  I have actually been gathering some thoughts and considering to do a full-blown essay on the game because writing about it really brings a lot of references and so much contextual stuff from things like intellectual movements that I am probably going to need a while to do that, my structure right now is a three-parter: the world - Elysium, the Pale, the Isolas the city - Insulinde and Revachol the man - how there must be a monsieur du bois at the end of all this and how it ties it all together besides if I am going to do that I am also going to put up a decent website to host up some long form texts because dear god medium is terrible
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itry posted:But we don't know that they're there to kill her, as she said. For all we know they're there to take her to trial in the mainland or wherever. Nobody is there for that and she knows it.
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Mar 2, 2020 05:19
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At the end of the day the choice about what to do with Klassje is really about whether you are willing to show mercy to someone who wronged you or not.
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wiegieman posted:At the end of the day the choice about what to do with Klassje is really about whether you are willing to show mercy to someone who wronged you or not. The way I looked at it was that, yeah, she's not a good person and there's definitely a "live by the sword, die by the sword" vibe going on with the corporate spy/saboteur getting whacked by big business. And, yeah, she lied to you and she's definitely playing you. But hell, Harry is getting a second chance and sobering up and working to improve himself, and I decided that he wouldn't want to start off this new chapter in his life with the knowledge that he had sent somebody off to be murdered by the agents of capitalism, especially because you make that decision before the Tribunal happens. At that point, the only killing has been the mercenary leader and she's not responsible for his death. Also, her manipulations are responsible for you meeting Lt Kitsuragi, and imo that alone is enough to justify letting her walk.
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I played Sensitive Harry and I see no reason to be the judging hand of our unwanted corporate overlords, I won't judge nor kill anyone for any master. For Harry to get out of his hole and use his second chance, I think he needs to quit the force and start a detective agency with Kim and bring some detective savant justice to the slums. Martinaise needs her heroes. I got a feeling it's not the last time we'll see Miss Oranje Disco Dancer. She looks like she could also have a pretty talkative skillset.
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Mar 2, 2020 14:10
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Khizan posted:The alternative is effectively sentencing her to extrajudicial execution at the hands of the capitalists. A just reward for the crime of partying IMO
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Mar 2, 2020 14:19
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I wish the expansion for DE would focus on finding the Cocaine Skull that Idiot Doom Spiral talks about. Failing that, the Square Bullet Hole Murders from your ledger would be a runner up.
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Mar 2, 2020 14:22
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Entorwellian posted:I wish the expansion for DE would focus on finding the Cocaine Skull that Idiot Doom Spiral talks about. Failing that, the Square Bullet Hole Murders from your ledger would be a runner up. there's a line right at the very end (possibly a shivers check?) about somewhere, someone loads a square bullet into a square gun and it's one of my favourite throw away lines in the game
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Mar 2, 2020 17:15
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:there's a line right at the very end (possibly a shivers check?) about somewhere, someone loads a square bullet into a square gun and it's one of my favourite throw away lines in the game gently caress yes, it is great exactly because how subtle the segue is there are a few of those as you go into the endgame, and Shivers/Esprit-de-Corps paint a great picture of things to come for the city
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Mar 2, 2020 17:36
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For the first time in my life, I heard a politician use the term esprit de corps. Im not sure how popular this term is (I had never heard it before) but I like to think he also played this game.
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Mar 2, 2020 17:44
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It's a pretty old term I've heard before the game was a thing, it comes up in military and police related contexts at times.
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esprit de corps is a pretty common phrase in my experience really want to do a playthrough that leans heavily on esprit de corps, inland empire and shivers just so i can get all that sweet background flavour text e: i shied away from all the psychic superstar cop stuff last time so it could be fun
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Mar 2, 2020 18:10
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A high Shivers run is great, highly recommend it.
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Enjoy posted:A just reward for the crime of partying IMO She should have fought for her right to party
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Mar 2, 2020 23:48
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There is a good job done of giving you reasons to justify either decision and regret either or both. [Drama] And anyway, she PROMISED to come to the station in a few weeks. [Electrochemistry] The body under that jumpsuit cannot lie.
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:
Just finished it too. That poo poo was amazing, and honestly blindsided me in a way I've not previously encountered in a game. (Also I was expecting a tiny little thing that disguised itself as *a* reed, not that! That said the game had already revealed that there were real paranormal things going on, like the device Ruby made (although I'm fairly sure I've missed out on the background of the paranormal stuff going on there), and the guy in the container, but still, the size of the thing. I approached the game with the mindset that *I* was the mystery to be solved, and think I enjoyed it all the more for it. Kim gradually warming to me was wonderful writing as well. I finished the game with a fairly middle-of-the-roadish build, and got what I think may be one of the "best" endings (solved all aspects of the case, got the photo of the insect, convinced Kim to join the precinct, revealed my past as a gym teacher, you know) and played through as a very sorry cop. I basically played it as a person who knew that they had hosed up, was eager to make amends and start acting right, and was very pleasantly surprised that my decision to not drink alcohol, leaving just one quest left over at the end of the game, actually had a tangible effect on the game's ending. I like how failing a check sometimes reveals more interesting things, and my next playthroughs will be as a 1/1/5/5 good-natured drug-addled lunk, and as a 5/5/1/1 doomsaying sociopathic user. Now that I've got a *good* ending, I want to try again for interesting interactions first and foremost. Does anyone know what happens when you get into the bunker north of the Church? The one with the insanely high red check?
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Mar 3, 2020 04:39
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Breetai posted:
You can't.
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some doors can't be opened so just stick that in your thought cabinet and internalise it
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Mar 3, 2020 04:46
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To support leniency for Klassje, maybe the girl who just had her boyfriend's brains splattered on her while they were mid-gently caress does not need to have her fingernails pulled out by the colonial power right just this minute
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Mr. Dick posted:To support leniency for Klassje, maybe the girl who just had her boyfriend's brains splattered on her while they were mid-gently caress does not need to have her fingernails pulled out by the colonial power right just this minute she's playing you. You should be lenient to her because she's an awesome spy who played everyone perfectly, even executing a masterful Plan B when her Plan A fails and shes tossed a curveball.
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Mar 3, 2020 05:14
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People keep saying "she's playing you" but how much does that actually change about the circumstances, really? It makes her less sympathetic, sure, but it's not really enough on its own to change most peoples' minds, I think. Which isn't to say that's why you shouldn't bring her in. You shouldn't bring her in because you can't afford to be without Kim for the rest of the day 
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Breetai posted:Does anyone know what happens when you get into the bunker north of the Church? The one with the insanely high red check?
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Mar 3, 2020 05:28
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Arist posted:People keep saying "she's playing you" but how much does that actually change about the circumstances, really? It makes her less sympathetic, sure, but it's not really enough on its own to change most peoples' minds, I think. Glory. Truth. Softness. Protect her. She wants you.
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Mar 3, 2020 06:50
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I absolutely love the parts of the game where other people using their superior skills on you. Kim using Authority, Klassje using... everything. A few bits of turnaround really do make it so much better.
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With regards to Klassje,what do people feel like the difference is between figuring her out with volition and drama? Drama at least feels more freaked out by the situation. Also on my second playthrough I figured her out....when I was alone with her at night because I'd snuck off from Kim to find out what I'd done over the weekend. So I couldn't arrest her. And she bailed the next morning.
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