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K8.0 posted:It's much faster, often 50-100% faster. A 1660 Super is a much better value, though, so long as it will provide you with enough performance to keep you happy. Yeah, the 1660Ti really doesn't make any sense with the super existing. Maybe pay $20 more for it over the super, tops.
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ItBreathes posted:2nding the don't spend money on a DP-VGA adapter. If you can't find a cheap DP monitor get a second HDMI one, they're cheap, and a passive DP-HDMI adapter. ... True - Unless (as in my case) you still have a CRT monitor that only accepts VGA input. (comedy option - Get a VGA to composite video adapter, then grab an old crt television with composite input, and hook that up to two 2080's. Take that setup to lan parties and watch heads explode...)
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Guigui posted:... True - Unless (as in my case) you still have a CRT monitor that only accepts VGA input. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ATutWS9FeM
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Rosoboronexport posted:I'm posting here for a bit of perspective and sanity check: I'm thinking of moving from my current monitor (Dell 2415, 1920x1200@60) to Samsung 27-inch 1440p@144 monitor. However, my current GPU is GTX 1060 6GB, CPU is mildly overclocked i7-3770k. Trip report: on the games I currently have installed, the resolution change has caused much less headaches than I expected. Dishonored 2 went from 60 fps to 40-50, which was the most noticeable one. CSGO runs as expected and apparently Battletech is CPU-limited even on OCd i7-3770k as I seem to get exactly the same FPS. Only surprise (that I didn't check) was that VP9 10-bit is not accelerated (Youtube HDR videos) by GTX 1060 so I get frame drops on HDR 60 fps content. Dunno how badly new Doom will run or I might just postpone getting it until I upgrade the GPU when Cyberpunk is released.
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Rosoboronexport posted:Trip report: on the games I currently have installed, the resolution change has caused much less headaches than I expected. Dishonored 2 went from 60 fps to 40-50, which was the most noticeable one. CSGO runs as expected and apparently Battletech is CPU-limited even on OCd i7-3770k as I seem to get exactly the same FPS. Only surprise (that I didn't check) was that VP9 10-bit is not accelerated (Youtube HDR videos) by GTX 1060 so I get frame drops on HDR 60 fps content. My 1060 supports VP9 playback on youtube. Nvidia has supported HDR10 VP9 since the GTX 960. Are you sure it's not a driver bug? And yes, I'm hoping I can wait until the end of the year before I upgrade - but I', still driving 1080p. defaultluser fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Mar 2, 2020 |
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defaultluser posted:My 1060 supports VP9 playback on youtube. Nvidia has supported HDR10 VP9 since the GTX 960. Well that's pretty strange as Nvidia themselves claim that the chip can't do that, only Turing, Volta & GTX1080Ti.
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Rosoboronexport posted:Well that's pretty strange as Nvidia themselves claim that the chip can't do that, only Turing, Volta & GTX1080Ti. That matrix is showing a no for 10 and 12 bpc VP9. YouTube doesn't encode in anything above 8 bpc.
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Kazinsal posted:That matrix is showing a no for 10 and 12 bpc VP9. YouTube doesn't encode in anything above 8 bpc. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7126552?hl=en code:
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repiv posted:https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-shifts-gtc-2020-into-online-event-due-to-coronavirus https://videocardz.com/newz/mysterious-nvidia-graphics-cards-with-108-and-118-compute-units-spotted Maybe whatever these are?
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Paul MaudDib posted:it's way early for consumer ampere (probably end of the year, maybe september, maybe maybe july) but I wouldn't be too surprised if we saw those datacenter cards that have been showing up for the last few weeks Just out of curiosity, what is the basis for the general argument that it's too early for Ampere? Clearly no one knows, I'm not hating at all, I'm just trying to figure out what people mean by it being too early, because I hear it a lot. I mean it's definitely the safe answer, but do we have supply chain info or something?
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Rosoboronexport posted:https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7126552?hl=en after testing a 4k HDR VP9 youtube stream successfully playing back on my GTX 960, I just assume d they continued that feature-set with Pascal. It works fine with Maxwell 2.0 But I only tested 8-bit playback on the 1060 (because my TV is the only HDR monitor in the house, and Windows has no way for force HDR output.) But it did accelerate 8k playback successfully. Okay, I think I figured this out. My b Maxwell card doesn't support bt 2020 playback on youtune. The Pascal cards added VP9 10/12bit support via a driver update. http://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/378.66/378.66-win10-win8-win7-desktop-release-notes.pdf This is why earlier Pascal cards supported nothing, while later ones (GT 1030, GTX 1080 Ti) added support at time of release., and thus have the full set if boxes checked. Just make sure you're using the latest drivers. defaultluser fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Mar 3, 2020 |
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Taima posted:Just out of curiosity, what is the basis for the general argument that it's too early for Ampere? Clearly no one knows, I'm not hating at all, I'm just trying to figure out what people mean by it being too early, because I hear it a lot. IMHO not a whole lot, other than next-gen compute cards haven't been announced yet, and people presume that NVidia will favor compute cards for Ampere / 7nm first because they can likely up their profits off compute more than they can off consumers. There's also the assumption that between the next-gen consoles and phones all targeting 7nm already, fab slots for 7nm are likely at a premium right now, which may slow down development and production plans. But date-wise, it's not insane for consumer cards to be coming soon. 780Ti -> 980Ti was 19 months 980Ti -> 1080Ti was 21 months 1080Ti -> 2080Ti was 18 months 2080Ti released 9/2018 + 18 months = 3/2020
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Taima posted:Just out of curiosity, what is the basis for the general argument that it's too early for Ampere? Clearly no one knows, I'm not hating at all, I'm just trying to figure out what people mean by it being too early, because I hear it a lot. There are a bunch of arguments. First is that AMD isn't pressing them at all and moving to a new arch/process would be more expensive than continuing to run Turing batches on an insanely profitable node. Second is that Nvidia's datacenter market is becoming very, very profitable, and the primary part for that market is 2 1/2 years old. So it is likely the next target on Nvidia's list, especially with Big Navi supposedly directly targeting the V100. Third is that Nvidia has consistently gone top down with new processes and architectures. High end parts come out first, then lower end parts later. And last is that we have leaks of parts that are clearly for the data center from Nvidia, and havent seen much in the way of leaks about Nvidia's next gen consumer part. Board partners LOVE to leak that poo poo, so if they were imminent (as in the next few months), we would have heard something already. We don't even really know the codename! Lotta arrows pointing one direction and not many pointing the other, but you never know.
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defaultluser posted:after testing a 4k HDR VP9 youtube stream successfully playing back on my GTX 960, I just assume d they continued that feature-set with Pascal. It works fine with Maxwell 2.0 Did it show the HDR logo instead of HD in lower right and in the "stats for nerds" was the colour output bt.709 or bt.2020? Because YouTube will play the videos in 8bpc if all of the requirements are not met. If everything is ok, the setting cog has HDR letters and colour output is bt.2020. quote:But I only tested 8-bit playback on the 1060 (because my TV is the only HDR monitor in the house, and Windows has no way for force HDR output.) But it did accelerate 8k playback successfully. Again, I know that vp9 8bpc works. 10bpc shouldn't.
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Rosoboronexport posted:Did it show the HDR logo instead of HD in lower right and in the "stats for nerds" was the colour output bt.709 or bt.2020? Because YouTube will play the videos in 8bpc if all of the requirements are not met. If everything is ok, the setting cog has HDR letters and colour output is bt.2020. I just checked, and my GTX 960 is bt 709. definitely only 8-bit! But Pascal got a driver update to enable VP9 10 and 12-bit playback (they were not working when thee cards shipped). So I have full confidence that if I hooked up the GTX 1060 to my HDR TV , it would playback bt 2020.. https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/738008-1012bit-hw-decoding-vp9hevc-finally-available-for-geforce-geforce-37866/0 I know for a fact that it plays back the bt 709 version, at 8k on my non-hdr monitor defaultluser fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Mar 3, 2020 |
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Thanks for the advice earlier upthread: I'm now running on two monitors!
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defaultluser posted:I just checked, and my GTX 960 is bt 709. definitely only 8-bit! Yes it will... but in software decoding mode, because GP106 does not support h/w decoding of VP9 10- or 12-bpc content. As I stated originally, I was just dropping frames because my processor can't handle HDR 1440p 60fps decoding. 50fps was doable barely with all cores pegged. Edit: to illustrate my point:  60FPS SDR video, no frame drops and note video engine usage at ~20%, CPU at idle clocks. Output color is not reported but it's bt709.  60FPS HDR video, 0% video engine load and CPU pegged, frame drops. Rosoboronexport fucked around with this message at 10:03 on Mar 3, 2020 |
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I think the Super Refresh line will change that, since the 700,900,and 1000 series didn't have a true across the board +1 helmet upgrade that the 2000 series did. Adding 6 months to the 18 months will bring it more in line with estimates. At the end of the day, no one knows. It could still be May/June but I am getting less and less optimistic on that. I think late summer/fall is more realistic and December is also probably more likely than Spring at this point.
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Rosoboronexport posted:Yes it will... but in software decoding mode, because GP106 does not support h/w decoding of VP9 10- or 12-bpc content. As I stated originally, I was just dropping frames because my processor can't handle HDR 1440p 60fps decoding. 50fps was doable barely with all cores pegged. Gotcha. So, unlike adding h.265 support to the GTX 980, they couldn't come-up with a shader-assist to make performance more realistic (for those of us with less than 16 threads?) I was already thinking about picking-up a 1660 Super on-clearance for my HTPC system (to replace the 960), but this seals it! And I'll pick-up an entry-level Ampere RTX card to replace my 1060 sometime early next year. defaultluser fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Mar 3, 2020 |
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Lockback posted:I think the Super Refresh line will change that, since the 700,900,and 1000 series didn't have a true across the board +1 helmet upgrade that the 2000 series did. Adding 6 months to the 18 months will bring it more in line with estimates. Yeah, the whole Super thing does potentially throw a wrench in things. I think the biggest evidence so far that the 3xxx series isn't imminent is the lack of leaks: we've seen dribbles of what is clearly a datacenter card (sorry, no, they're not slapping 24GB VRAM on a consumer card), but nothing else. The best I could really see for the upcoming announcement would be the compute cards and maybe a Titan-style semi-stripped down super-expensive "prosumer" card with the actual 3xxx series to follow somewhat later. But NVidia has surprised before, so who knows?
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Taima posted:Just out of curiosity, what is the basis for the general argument that it's too early for Ampere? Clearly no one knows, I'm not hating at all, I'm just trying to figure out what people mean by it being too early, because I hear it a lot. Rumors had consumer Ampere taping out at the very end of the last year (Nov/dec) and it's typically one year-ish from tapeout to launch. Give or take a bit but I'd say we're looking at maybe a September launch. It makes sense that they might try to get it in stores before christmas and they have previously launched products (the 980/Maxwell launch) in that September window. Also, (wishfully), this will be the second batch of chips on the same uarch so maybe it will be a bit quicker than the normal 1 year. Otherwise if not September probably January. There is an outside chance they could paper launch in the June/July timeframe for back-to-school, so that there is decent stock by Christmas, and to steal Big Navi's thunder. But a 6-7 month turnaround is fairly quick so I think that would be more to the paper launch side of things. Like more of a teaser. As far as the 1 year rule of thumb - here is datacenter Ampere taping out 11 months ago exactly and now we're starting to see the run-up to launch. It is a reliable rule of thumb across brands and products. Which is why even September may be a bit wishful. https://twitter.com/aeassa1/status/1112053410860290049 https://twitter.com/aeassa1/status/1112360141469478912 I don't have a citable source for the consumer tapeout date other than "just trust me" but it's a guy I know who is pretty in the loop who says people were telling him consumer taped out in Nov/Dec 2019. Once you are a month or two out from launch, you will start seeing leaked coolers from partners, a few benchmarks start to appear, etc. So far we don't have those for the consumer cards. So I don't think they will launch with the datacenter cards. That leaves June/July as the very earliest possibility and more probably September or January timeframe. September is a possibility if they hurry a bit but if you are not launched by September then you don't have much product on shelves for christmas/black friday, so in that case the most likely scenario becomes a january launch. Or, hell, maybe Coronavirus has hosed everything up and they may not be getting samples back until way later than expected and it's now january to march, or even later, who knows. Lockback posted:I think the Super Refresh line will change that, since the 700,900,and 1000 series didn't have a true across the board +1 helmet upgrade that the 2000 series did. Adding 6 months to the 18 months will bring it more in line with estimates. The 700 series was the "600 Super" of its day. Same thing but with various chips strategically moved down a segment to make everything a little faster. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Mar 3, 2020 |
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Paul MaudDib posted:Rumors had consumer Ampere taping out at the very end of the last year (Nov/dec) and it's typically one year-ish from tapeout to launch. Give or take a bit but I'd say we're looking at maybe a September launch. It makes sense that they might try to get it in stores before christmas and they have previously launched products (the 980/Maxwell launch) in that September window. Also, (wishfully), this will be the second batch of chips on the same uarch so maybe it will be a bit quicker than the normal 1 year. Otherwise if not September probably January. There is 0 need for nVidia to ship consumer cards, AMD is doing a good job of loving up Navi as-is. They can switch capacity to the $$$$ datacenter cards instead. If you had to sell an A100 (say) die for $10000 as a Tesla or $1200 as an RTX, you'd definitely do the former.
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Malcolm XML posted:There is 0 need for nVidia to ship consumer cards, AMD is doing a good job of loving up Navi as-is. They can switch capacity to the $$$$ datacenter cards instead. If you had to sell an A100 (say) die for $10000 as a Tesla or $1200 as an RTX, you'd definitely do the former. Since 40nm, ON A NEW NODE, Nvidia has always waited six-months to a year before launching the big dedicated compute die. Kepler GK110 combined compute and graphics int one and only took 6 months. Pascal P102 took 4 months after the release of GP104, then 5 months for GP100, then another 3 months for V100(because the released a second intermediate step in Volta) I would not expect a large die on-release day. So consumers-only! And as we're approaching the two-year mark (the time it took fro NVIDIA to replace their previous two consumer architectures) they really can't coax anything more out of these current chips. defaultluser fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Mar 4, 2020 |
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defaultluser posted:Since 40nm, ON A NEW NODE, Nvidia has always waited six-months to a year before launching the big dedicated compute die. you know you cant will this thing into existence right
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Looking to get into 1440p/higher-than-60hz gaming, and have been sitting on my thumbs for awhile after upgrading my cpu from a i5-6600 to the 3600, waiting for what the end of March brings. Was willing to wait for awhile to see what the RTX 3000 series looks like, but I'm not really willing to wait 'til this time next year or something, so probably going to go with a 2070 Super now. Any particular models to avoid? I'm looking to get a 3 fan model (shooting for lower noise with this PC build), is it worth it? First hour's research suggests to me the MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio or the Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 Super Gaming OC 3x 8G. Any issues with these guys? Any better ideas? Finally, it's probably too much to hope for, but if I do decide to flip this card and get (say) a RTX 3070 in 18 months or something, would it hold any value whatsoever? TIA gpgoons
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The Gaming X Trio is great but also loving *huge* so make sure it will actually fit in your case. I almost got it before realising it's too long for my Define C.
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Cygni posted:you know you cant will this thing into existence right He’s right they’ll use a smaller die as a pipe cleaner but it’ll likely be sold as a tesla
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repiv posted:The Gaming X Trio is great but also loving *huge* so make sure it will actually fit in your case. I almost got it before realising it's too long for my Define C. EVGA makes one (XC Ultra, I think) that's two fans but three slots and it's pretty quiet. So that's an option if your case can fit thick but not long.
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Theris posted:EVGA makes one (XC Ultra, I think) that's two fans but three slots and it's pretty quiet. So that's an option if your case can fit thick but not long. Yeah that's the one I ended up getting. It's pretty good besides the fans making a noise whenever they stop or start, which makes the 0rpm mode pointless, but it's so quiet when forced to idle at low rpm instead that it's not a big deal.
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Malcolm XML posted:He’s right they’ll use a smaller die as a pipe cleaner but it’ll likely be sold as a tesla i dont think you need a pipe cleaner for a process thats been run at huge volume for two years, including with huge GPUs like the Radeon VII. but we will see!
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Taima posted:Just out of curiosity, what is the basis for the general argument that it's too early for Ampere? Clearly no one knows, I'm not hating at all, I'm just trying to figure out what people mean by it being too early, because I hear it a lot. Nvidia has never taken less than 23 months between new consumer microarch launches in the last 8 years, and it has been trending towards longer and longer between new microarchs: TheFluff posted:GTX 680/Kepler, 28nm: March 2012 Q3 or Q4 seems a reasonable assumption for new consumer cards, but we could very well be into 2021 before the 3000 series cards are widely available. The Supers are the usual mid-cycle refreshes. Ampere seems to me like it'll be a compute-only intermediate, like Volta. The consumer microarch might very well be called something else. e: for once I agree with Paul, Q1 2021 doesn't seem unlikely either TheFluff fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Mar 4, 2020 |
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More evidence that the big part is coming first: its already up and running.. in October no less. 32gb of HBM2e. 7936 cuda cores. Looks to be a PCIe card and not a mezzanine, too. https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/206992 
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I feel like HBM is a dead giveaway that it's not a consumer part E: also the amount of it
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lDDQD posted:I feel like HBM is a dead giveaway that it's not a consumer part in case the "32GB" wasn't a tipoff
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This is good timeline but at the moment RDNA2 isn't out yet so why would nVidia bother releasing new cards? I'd just wait until right after it drops and use that as leverage.
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Nvidia is not competing with AMD. They're competing with themselves. Most of their sales are to people who already own Nvidia GPUs. Putting out new, higher performance products makes them more money than trying to flog the same old crap.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Just in time for the weekend. I'll install it on one of my 5700/XT machines and report back. Any trip report on those new drivers? I've eaten the black screen thrice so far with a Powercolor Red Dragon 5700: Once on the 4670K system it first inhabited somewhere in early November, twice on the 3700X system it got carried into since mid-December. All of them happened in Firefox just screwing around on the Interwebs with some sort of video element involved on the page. I popped the new drivers in yesterday and everything is fine but I still haven't enabled browser hardware acceleration. Just wondering how your machines are doing so far.
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