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LimburgLimbo posted:To be fair that was a dumb title and they knew what they were doing. You can call out the Chinese economy without using colonial-era terms that are pretty iffy. It was a term coined by an emperor to describe another empire.
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Don't think that China has the monopoly on "bullshit traditional cures" stuff. In India, an elected official has said publicly that eating cow poo poo can cure CoronaVirus, coz "Hindus good, Indian Hindus best Hindus." https://www.deccanherald.com/nation...Ds7lUW_EoyKvMnc
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GotLag posted:It was a term coined by an emperor to describe another empire. It was also first used to refer to China during a period when Western imperial powers were exploiting the gently caress out of and colonizing it and in general doing stuff which we now acknowledge was real lovely in an objective sense for all that it was "normal" during the era. Edit: Like I don't think that phrase is the end of the world and the response to the WSJ article was super overdone and almost certainly had some state propaganda support behind it (besides just the cancelling of visas) but we're talking about an article that 1) is strongly critical of China's current Asian economic hegemony and 2) headlines with a phrase used by Western Empires to refer to China during the period also known as The Centry of Humiliation, without really adding anything meaningful to the article. You can "Acksuallyyyyy" about the etymology all you want but it's not hard to see why people got pissed at it. LimburgLimbo fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Mar 3, 2020 |
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BrigadierSensible posted:Don't think that China has the monopoly on "bullshit traditional cures" stuff. Iran had the religious leader claim that you should use a cotton ball to rub some essential oil onto your rear end in a top hat to cure it. Pence held a big prayer session about it, I’m sure the US will have plenty of alternative medicine bozos making deadly claims.
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So, dictatorships and aspiring dictatorships alike agree that medicine is the worst medicine.
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healing starts with the butthole. always. that's the first thing anyone learns in medical school
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peanut posted:News releases clearly state that the virus was _discovered_ in China, not that it evolved there (it did). It was engineered in that lab in wuhan
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Luckily the east hasn't realised that the poo poo of white people cures corona virus and it's why we are immune.
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hakimashou posted:It was the party making people take poison... It was local officials making people do something harmful, not something that came from a central organ of the party. I gave another ridiculous, while much less harmful, example of the nonsense you see. You don't see anyone in any bigger, developed city taking poison and people probably wouldn't if they were told. Rural China gets all sorts of this stuff. It's also where dudes were hanging out by the entrances to villages with Guan Yu spears to keep out any outsiders. BrigadierSensible posted:Don't think that China has the monopoly on "bullshit traditional cures" stuff. Yeah it's similar to why Korea is turbofucked now. A Christian cult with people from Wuhan told everyone they couldn't get sick cuz God loved them. Ailumao fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Mar 3, 2020 |
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LimburgLimbo posted:To be fair that was a dumb title and they knew what they were doing. You can call out the Chinese economy without using colonial-era terms that are pretty iffy. The term refers to the Ottoman Empire in the early 20th century. They were a state that imposed imperial rule throughout the middle east and europe through its entire history. The term refers to the Ottomans doing a poor job of said rule before the first world war. It's a legitimate political term, but was probably a bit harsh given that China was experiencing a major epidemic at the time. Cheesemaster200 fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Mar 3, 2020 |
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The forced bleach drinking is the result of local leaders who don't understand what's happening and are unwilling/unable to admit uncertainty. Decisive action must be taken, but it won't be helpful (or even harmless).
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Kharnifex posted:Luckily the east hasn't realised that the poo poo of white people cures corona virus and it's why we are immune. It's actually our small but perfectly formed penises, as per normal TCM procedure.
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Cheesemaster200 posted:The term refers to the Ottoman Empire in the early 20th century. They were a state that imposed imperial rule throughout the middle east and europe through its entire history. The term refers to the Ottomans doing a poor job of said rule before the first world war. It's a legitimate political term, but was probably a bit harsh given that China was experiencing a major epidemic at the time. The fact that China was also the source of a major global pandemic is the reason that the headline was chosen, and the body of the article were about how the outbreak happened due to a multitude of problems in China that can be attributed to poor governance that is also holding China back in numerous other areas, making it both a literal and figurative "sick man." The CCP was just looking for an excuse to play "put upon victim" again and get rid of some meddlesome journalists.
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Korea's capacity for cults has always fascinated me. You look around and see so much new cutting edge technology and infrastructure, you see their desire for higher education, then you get blind-sided when it's announced that Female Rasputin was running the country.
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Was it SARS that the Koreans were super adamant kimchi cured?
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That's all disease.
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Fojar38 posted:The fact that China was also the source of a major global pandemic is the reason that the headline was chosen, and the body of the article were about how the outbreak happened due to a multitude of problems in China that can be attributed to poor governance that is also holding China back in numerous other areas, making it both a literal and figurative "sick man." I am not defending the actions of the CCP, but the WSJ could have been a little more sensitive to a public health crisis causing significant death and suffering to the Chinese population. They could have made their point without the tabloid headline.
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counterpoint: the cap fits
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Cheesemaster200 posted:I am not defending the actions of the CCP, but the WSJ could have been a little more sensitive to a public health crisis causing significant death and suffering to the Chinese population. They could have made their point without the tabloid headline. Or maybe the CCP could have the balls to not lose their poo poo over genuine criticism of their poor handling of the outbreak and poor governance in general that has resulted in said death and suffering to the Chinese population.
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Rutibex posted:China isn't a former African colony. they are a world power that is doing its own colonialism now. we are allowed to make fun of them Pretty much in this camp, myself. You can't affect your sphere of influence outside your country and not expect your proxy efforts to go unimpeded by other superpowers' proxy efforts trying to affect the overlap. Cheesemaster200 posted:I am not defending the actions of the CCP, but the WSJ could have been a little more sensitive to a public health crisis causing significant death and suffering to the Chinese population. They could have made their point without the tabloid headline. "You furnish the pictures. I'll furnish the war." - William Randolph Hearst If China expected American journalism to not be sensationalist or tabloid quality content, they really ignored the fact that there's a sundowning piss-addled mush brains as the president for three years now and it speaks to their deductive reasoning that everyone appealing to the tantrum child politics was completely ignored. WSJ is trash, but the CCP has the exact same reaction almost every time so even when they're right, everyone's desensitized to "hurt feelings of Arsenic Lupin posted:Aha. China cracks down on 'sexual innuendo' and 'celebrity gossip' in new censorship rules Xi setting the table to do some classic Mao-esque dick cleaning without the modern scandal attributions  In actual thread content: https://twitter.com/hebeipangzai/status/1234514513501642752
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china - tcm over 5000 year korea - tcm but religious america - tcm with rocks and minerals russia - liquid tcm
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Fojar38 posted:Or maybe the CCP could have the balls to not lose their poo poo over genuine criticism of their poor handling of the outbreak and poor governance in general that has resulted in said death and suffering to the Chinese population. You know how the CCP can't make a policy statement or response to criticism without a "BUT AMERICA" comment interjected into it? Let's not do that in this thread. There is what the WSJ published and how the CCP responded. Both actions can be criticized without supporting the other. Finding the WSJ headline out of line doesn't imply support for the Chinese reaction.
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Mistle posted:
This is something that bothers me. I dunno numbers, but there is a very real chance that real incidents of anti-Chinese racism increasing globally because of fear of the scary "Wuhan Virus". (This is but one personal anecdote, but a friend of mine in Melbourne who is Singaporean has told me stories of more than one person crossing the road to avoid her and covering their mouths as she walks by). But with the CCP's bog standard "hurt feelings" tantrum being applied to things as petty as a map in a film not including the 9 dash line, it really makes them sound disingenuous when there is some real racism, or anti-China sentiment. Booty Pageant posted:china - tcm over 5000 year
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Cheesemaster200 posted:You know how the CCP can't make a policy statement or response to criticism without a "BUT AMERICA" comment interjected into it? Let's not do that in this thread. There is what the WSJ published and how the CCP responded. Both actions can be criticized without supporting the other. Finding the WSJ headline out of line doesn't imply support for the Chinese reaction. You're right, saying "China's government hosed up" is pretty equivalent to the suppression of journalism and human rights and causing a global pandemic. Really both sides are at fault. gently caress off.
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Fojar38 posted:You're right, saying "China's government hosed up" is pretty equivalent to the suppression of journalism and human rights and causing a global pandemic. Really both sides are at fault. That's not what I meant, and you are proving my point.
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Cheesemaster200 posted:That's not what I meant, and you are proving my point. There is nothing offensive about the headline and attempting any sort of equivocation at all is in fact supporting the CCP's narrative. Chinese people couldn't even see the drat headline because the WSJ is blocked in China. The CCP are literally the only ones that "care."
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Imagine if some CCP official had read the China GBS threads and "retaliated" by expelling/imprisoning the goons that live in China. Would we be handwringing over how yes the CCP did a bad thing but shouldn't we have been a bit more sensitive to their feelings? The whole point of the CCP's actions regarding the WSJ article is to create a chilling effect on criticism of China even outside of China among non-Chinese people and create an atmosphere of self-censorship. You are actively supporting them in this.
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Cheesemaster200 posted:*someone else skims your opinion, takes offense* Literally the argument defending the WSJ in this matter 
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Magna Kaser posted:Yeah it's similar to why Korea is turbofucked now. A Christian cult with people from Wuhan told everyone they couldn't get sick cuz God loved them. A cult with a secret membership who still refuse to come forward to say they've been potentially exposed  Bip Roberts posted:Was it SARS that the Koreans were super adamant kimchi cured? If a Korean person does not eat kimchi, they die. This does not apply to Koreans living in other countries, naturally.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:A cult with a secret membership who still refuse to come forward to say they've been potentially exposed Didn't I read somewhere that they believed it was their duty to bring about the end of the world and so they were deliberately spreading it, and that they've tried to do that before with other diseases?
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Magna Kaser posted:Yeah it's similar to why Korea is turbofucked now. A Christian cult with people from Wuhan told everyone they couldn't get sick cuz God loved them. So blessed that God chose them to endure this special challenge 
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Apparently charlatans in Iran are claiming that gargling with vinegar and salt/mint will prevent you from getting the virus. Quacks without borders.
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Imagine how many bad people we could get rid of if there was a virus that was only cured by sucking dicks
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Well, that's me dead for a start. But I wake up each morning vaguely disappointed that I didn't die in my sleep, so eh.
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Well this is one way to get the factories running again. https://mobile.twitter.com/nathanattrill/status/1234085700946890752
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MarcusSA posted:Well this is one way to get the factories running again. I'm still afraid to say Uyghurs out loud, because it sounds super racist.
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Beachcomber posted:I'm still afraid to say Uyghurs out loud, because it sounds super racist. How so?
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Biden said Uyghur in a debate recently and people who don't know what a Uyghur is thought he was talking about wiggers.
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I wonder how good the enamelware is.
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