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Nighteye got done wrong. The corridors made everything seem sort of samey. The Mina dance bit out of nowhere in the flashback was good. Deku was cool. Can't Toga like wear some underwear or something.
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Nighteye doesn't deserve to be done right, fuckin' movie-only character-rear end.
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Mar 3, 2020 23:32
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Nighteye's Quirk is dumb and he also has a weird tickle torture machine, so I'm glad he's dead Also, it makes no sense that All Might had a sidekick and no one ever mentioned him EVER until that exact arc.
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Mar 3, 2020 23:38
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I thought it was fine. It wasn't anything special and probably the least interesting so far. But it did have good moments. It did have a very strong thematic identity about the bonds of friendship in a way we don't normally see. Binging it in a rewatch might help it out instead of seeing it week to week.
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Mar 3, 2020 23:50
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Kwyndig posted:
You mean Togata?
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Mar 3, 2020 23:52
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The_Doctor posted:I liked the Kirishima back story, it fleshed him out a great deal.
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Mar 4, 2020 01:12
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A series that wants to believe our protagonist can seriously, realistically injure himself should not also have a dude get a stalagmite through his entire torso and be okay to talk for like fifteen minutes
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Mar 4, 2020 01:30
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Blockhouse posted:A series that wants to believe our protagonist can seriously, realistically injure himself should not also have a dude get a stalagmite through his entire torso and be okay to talk for like fifteen minutes I'd be okay if it was anyone other than Nighteye who got to talk for fifteen more minutes after taking a spike through the chest.
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Mar 4, 2020 01:50
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Funky Valentine posted:I'd be okay if it was anyone other than Nighteye who got to talk for fifteen more minutes after taking a spike through the chest. I was okay that it was night eye because the end result was that night eye died. The ends justify the means.
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Mar 4, 2020 02:39
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The_Doctor posted:You mean Togata? No
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Mar 4, 2020 03:18
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Right then. She's naked so often because her power melts her clothes, and she's not easily embarrassed, so messing about with spare clothes would be a lot of effort without much benefit.
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Mar 4, 2020 03:50
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can we not try to justify the child nudity
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Mar 4, 2020 03:51
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chiasaur11 posted:Right then. She's naked so often because her power melts her clothes, and she's not easily embarrassed, so messing about with spare clothes would be a lot of effort without much benefit. There was a character with the same issue in literally the same arc that they made special clothes to avoid this exact situation.
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Mar 4, 2020 04:22
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It's not that her quirk melts her clothes, it's that when she copies someone's appearance, she also copies their clothes as well, so she has to take off her regular outfit to reveal the copied clothes underneath. I have no idea how drinking someone's blood lets you copy their clothes as well, but it's all just an excuse for her to strip.
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Mar 4, 2020 04:36
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Toga is a cool and good character but I can't say why
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Mar 4, 2020 04:58
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Junpei posted:Toga is a cool and good character but I can't say why knives are cool, fangs are cool
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Mar 4, 2020 05:02
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Nighteye's quirk raised some serious questions about the nature of free will in the show's universe until Horikoshi went "Oh poo poo wait uuuuuh the future can change I guess"
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Mar 4, 2020 06:26
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Waffleman_ posted:Nighteye's quirk raised some serious questions about the nature of free will in the show's universe until Horikoshi went "Oh poo poo wait uuuuuh the future can change I guess" it's that last part that i think is a problem
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Mar 4, 2020 07:16
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See, my headcanon is that Eri's quirk screwed with the visions because it also involves time.
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Mar 4, 2020 07:37
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Junpei posted:See, my headcanon is that Eri's quirk screwed with the visions because it also involves time. that at least adds an interesting wrinkle to the otherwise very pat 'hero changes destiny by believing so hard!!!' i actually like nighteye more than the average goon but that aspect stunk real bad
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Mar 4, 2020 07:41
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those spikes through nighteye's body were necessary to create the speed holes he'd need in order to leave the show faster
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Mar 4, 2020 07:41
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It's one of several times in the series where it feels like Horikoshi had an idea, but then realized he went a bit too far with it and has to backpedal a bit on it.
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Mar 4, 2020 08:03
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that kind of sums up nighteye's quirk in general: he can see people's future! [an issue or two later] but only an hour at a time! [another issue or two later] well he can do it farther than that but then it gets hazy in some vaguely explained way! [another couple of issues] and the future he sees is always right! [a lot more issues later] oh nevermind
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Junpei posted:See, my headcanon is that Eri's quirk screwed with the visions because it also involves time. Eri's power isn't time based. It's biological. It reverses biology to a certain point prior to the current point. If Eri reversed time she wouldn't be able to turn a human into an ape because at no point was that human an ape, nor were their genes ever an ape's genes. Likewise, at no point did Mirio, for example, ever not have a quirk factor. Couldn't necessarily access it when he was young, but it was always there. And the bullet made from her blood removes it entirely. Eri's power is to reverse a person's biology on several different levels. Currently, without control, she reverses their personal physiology. Overhaul got it to the point of targeting a person's genetic lineage for reversal. Nighteye's whole problem is that he was working alone to change the future. The way he describes his quirk when he tries to change a future he's already aware of is adding a few extra scenes, but always reverting back to the original outcome. But once you add enough people adding enough new scenes to the movie, the movie turns out differently. Just telling All Might what was in his future with Gran Torino and Recovery Girl present may have been enough to add enough new scenes to create a new future for All Might, and Night Eye simply never knew because he never looked at All Might's future again. Brother Entropy posted:that kind of sums up nighteye's quirk in general: he can see people's future! [an issue or two later] but only an hour at a time! [another issue or two later] well he can do it farther than that but then it gets hazy in some vaguely explained way! [another couple of issues] and the future he sees is always right! [a lot more issues later] oh nevermind Adder Moray fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Mar 4, 2020 |
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Also he was specifically looking for a future in which Midoriya and Togata escape with Eri, which is a future that never happens because they don’t escape. Deku fights, with Eri providing assistance in a way that Nighteye has no ability to think of. Any attempt of them escaping would lead to their death is how I took it. Plus I think we’ve been told, admittedly by overhaul, that Eri’s quirk is reversing chronology in some absolutely complex and bizarre way. The bullets reverse human genetics to the time before quirks, Eri rewinds people into nothingness when she touches them. But I always assumed subconscious confirmation bias from Nighteye, he sees the future based on actions people would take, if they do something otherwise unprecedented it becomes very unreliable. See the whole fight in his office where he sees the future and knows Izuku cannot defeat him, but not the context of Izuku intentionally missing every All Might Memoribilia. It’s highly possible if Izuku has decided to not limit himself in that way he could have defeated Nighteye, and Nighteye recognises this I feel on some level. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Mar 4, 2020 |
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Mar 4, 2020 08:29
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My assumption was that when he said he's tested his quirk thoroughly, he'd look into the future, see someone walk through a door, then tackle that person in the present and lock them in a room or something so them going through that specific door is impossible. Or something along those lines. But every time, fate would conspire in such a way that what he saw would come to pass anyway, no matter what obstacles he put in the way. I imagine a guy at the head of a well known agency, who was previously a side kick to all might, has the resources and ability to test his quirk pretty thoroughly, and he definitely spent a lot of time on that considering his whole motivation was finding a way to reverse the future he saw in all might. So it kind of sucks that in the end, he just didn't believe hard enough or have enough shonen spirit or some nebulous bullshit, which obviously our hero deku is capable of surpassing without even being aware of the death prophecy. It's some really bog standard shonen garbage that I was really hoping MHA would be better than. I think if it was as simple as "his quirk becomes unreliable when people act unpredictably" he wouldn't have gone his entire loving life without his quirk being wrong once. basically the only real answer is "his quirk was wrong that one time because it was deku, and deku is the hero of the story so rules dont apply to him if they'd get in the way of him being the hero." And that's a really unsatisfying answer to come to ninjewtsu fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Mar 4, 2020 |
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Mar 4, 2020 08:44
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Deku is the ninth exponential factor of an energy stockpiling quirk so maybe Nighteye's future vision was unable to properly observe the overwhelming energy when he went 100% for a sustained period of time
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ninjewtsu posted:I think if it was as simple as "his quirk becomes unreliable when people act unpredictably" he wouldn't have gone his entire loving life without his quirk being wrong once. basically the only real answer is "his quirk was wrong that one time because it was deku, and deku is the hero of the story so rules dont apply to him if they'd get in the way of him being the hero." And that's a really unsatisfying answer to come to I think Nighteye's Quirk would've been less annoying if it was based on probability. Shonen manga are all about that "Oh no, he has a 99.9% chance of victory!" "I'm going to bank on that 0.01%!" mentality.
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Mar 4, 2020 08:51
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The future changed when Eri jumped into his arms.
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Kild posted:The future changed when Eri jumped into his arms. Ultimately it’s this. Eri likely is the catalyst for Nighteye being wrong considering her power is very impossibly strong. Also My Hero academia is incredibly stock shounen tropes, just written to a very high quality.
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Eej posted:Deku is the ninth exponential factor of an energy stockpiling quirk so maybe Nighteye's future vision was unable to properly observe the overwhelming energy when he went 100% for a sustained period of time is there any indication that nighteye's future vision gets interfered with by, uh, "energy?" this is "deku is the hero so the rules don't apply to him if they'd stop him from being the hero" but slightly more codified. which is cool if that helps you feel satisfied with the story, but for me it doesn't really help.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:I think Nighteye's Quirk would've been less annoying if it was based on probability. Shonen manga are all about that "Oh no, he has a 99.9% chance of victory!" "I'm going to bank on that 0.01%!" mentality. I'm now remembering the scene in Gurren Lagann where the impossibly advanced computer is told to not tell them the odds, because if there's any chance, they'll manage! It turns out it was a 0% chance. And they did it anyway.
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Mar 4, 2020 10:36
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The fates also thought that Nighteye was a loser and so ensured that he died knowing that his visions were fallible and it was all for nothing.
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Mar 4, 2020 10:37
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chiasaur11 posted:I'm now remembering the scene in Gurren Lagann where the impossibly advanced computer is told to not tell them the odds, because if there's any chance, they'll manage! Nighteye's predictions are always right, but Deku was actually born with the quirk Sprial Power.
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Mar 4, 2020 15:18
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Junpei posted:Toga is a cool and good character but I can't say why In a series where everyone else is all, "I must live up to the expectations these tremendous powers place upon me," or, "Reshaping society requires me to immerse myself in terrible violence," Toga's just jazzed to have a super power. She's gonna kiss all the boys, use her powers to fool all the jerks, and stab everyone who says that's wrong.
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Nighteye's power only showed him the person he was concentrating on. So he saw Deku's future as if Deku were working alone. If he'd watched Eri instead, he may or may not have seen her changing Deku's fate. Also, yeah, Eri's powers are some weird time warp thing that could very well change Nighteye's equations. Whatever. It doesn't matter, he's dead now.
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The Overhaul Arc suffered due to all of its good directors and animators being called away to work on Heroes Rising and they're thankfully back for the School Festival, which given that we're going into a play & concert combo, is probably for the best, especially since Hori was basically dying and barely got out finished chapters around this time
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Mirage posted:Nighteye's power only showed him the person he was concentrating on. So he saw Deku's future as if Deku were working alone. I'm just choosing to believe Nighteye stopped watching at the part where Deku got stabbed.
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Mar 4, 2020 19:16
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Mirage posted:Nighteye's power only showed him the person he was concentrating on. So he saw Deku's future as if Deku were working alone. i get the feeling that if such a loophole existed, it probably would've come up over, uh, a lifetime of hero work centered around using that power
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Finally watched this week’s ep, and holy poo poo, Mineta’s line.  You can definitely do a read that he already finds her attractive to some degree. I’m really curious about the item that All Might used. It looked like some of that snap on armour that Batman action figures get.
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