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Dolphin posted:lame excuse. i worked 2 jobs and was going to school full time when i voted for idiot John Kerry Its called suppression and demographics of course some young people still do vote lol
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Crusader posted:what in the holy gently caress america, you dumb loving fucks lol we weren't about to let the Brits keep the title of big global dumbass for long
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Halser posted:most people voting for him didn't actually see him speak The media spend a lot of time turning candidates into caricatures
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The annoying thing to me is how you can't even use the argument of "Biden loses to Trump" on these establishment fucks, because that's not what they care about. They don't care if Biden beats Trump. All they care about is that Bernie isn't the nominee. Nothing else matters. Hell, they'd probably prefer Trump get another 4 years. It's going to get really bad in this country.
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Entenzahn posted:Serious question for everyone saying this is about building the movement and going downballot now: you've said the same things in 2016 and look where we are now. What's different this time? look at the composition of this session of the house, for one
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whatis posted:bernie's campaign is one of the most impressive grassroots orgs ever and it was completely outdone because obama made a couple phonecalls Probably the best thing that could happen with his campaign/volunteer infrastructure is turning it into a massive mutual aid network. Buying each other's medical debt from third parties and forgiving it, paying each other's medical GoFundMes, etc.
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Entenzahn posted:This is bullshit. A week ago Bernie was a lock and then Obamaworld waves its magic wand and presto, the DNC just wills massive boomer turnout into existence for a candidate that is literally fading from the mortal plan as we speak. The DNC can't reformed. They are the 90's GOP, a big-money party for people afraid of change. We live in hellworld. The difference is Bernie wont run next time, so nut up and get involved in the movement now I guess. Put that negative energy into something positive.
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MeatwadIsGod posted:Probably the best thing that could happen with his campaign/volunteer infrastructure is turning it into a massive mutual aid network. Buying each other's medical debt from third parties and forgiving it, paying each other's medical GoFundMes, etc. Or using it for downballot races and campaigns to try and flip the Senate (or at least hit 50), cement the ownership of a Dem House and Primary less Progressive Dems.
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Daikloktos posted:We lost to a guy who was barely campaigning. Ground game means jack poo poo. a socialist, for the second election in a row, is threatening to upend a political machine which has had generations and billions to build up its defenses against socialist policies, by leveraging ground game almost exclusively; he was figuratively carried to the frontrunner position, against monumental and overtly coordinated efforts by an establishment colluding with oligarchs, by the closest approximation to a physical manifestation of "the will of the people" during my lifetime? but now i'm reading here on the C-Spam Times that actually ground game means jack poo poo and better things aren't possible?? as a european i feel i'm receiving conflicting reports out of america Entenzahn posted:This is bullshit. A week ago Bernie was a lock and then Obamaworld waves its magic wand and presto, the DNC just wills massive boomer turnout into existence for a candidate that is literally fading from the mortal plan as we speak. The DNC can't reformed. They are the 90's GOP, a big-money party for people afraid of change. We live in hellworld. you're still here. your opponent who "won" is consigned to the dustbin of history.
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Dolphin posted:blocking universal healthcare is violence. essentially true
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Xelkelvos posted:Or using it for downballot races and campaigns to try and flip the Senate (or at least hit 50), cement the ownership of a Dem House and Primary less Progressive Dems.
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At least my glorious home state of Colorado is now confirmed to have Good Politics
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if losing a couple primaries is all it takes to blackpill you then I'm not sure we're losing much anyway
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people live a long time. i think there are still way, way too many boomers among the dem primary electorate, whose chief political motivation is fear. remember, the oldest boomers are 75-- they're starting to die, but not very quickly yet. as long as this cohort is still around, they're going to be an airbrake on any kind of progress.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:if losing a couple primaries is all it takes to blackpill you then I'm not sure we're losing much anyway
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uncurable mlady posted:it’s probably too early to write the end of history 2 but I think there’s a very real chance that if Biden gets the nom and wins in November that it essentially ossifies the neoliberal world view. trump really was an anomaly. lol if you think trump and his ilk are ever going away he proved some random fuckface with loads of cash can overturn the entire dc machine if you’re racist enough watch Tom cotton, josh Hawley, or one of the trump hellspawn do it too
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Zhulik posted:what i learned tonight is that too many liberals post in cspam
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:if losing a couple primaries is all it takes to blackpill you then I'm not sure we're losing much anyway I'm not quite doomer status yet, but if Bernie ends up not getting the nomination my faith in electoralism is in the shitter and will likely never come back. We just can't have free and open elections in America.
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most baby boomers have medicare. they could not give a gently caress about you.
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Truniht posted:lol if you think trump and his ilk are ever going away trump didn't exactly self-fund iirc, did he? I don't think trump is an anomaly in terms of policy, just in terms of aesthetics. if Biden goes over then you very much have a realignment to an ethnic nationalist minority party in the GOP and a Conservative party in the dems and no actual left power at the executive level. that strikes me as gg until there's some sort of significant crisis or other factor that realigns things. hell, I'm not really even sure that Biden losing would cause anything to really change with the dems. they're running the Clinton playbook again and appealing to respectability. what's bernie going to do, demand that Perez turns over the party to Nina turner if Biden loses? that'd be cool but I don't think they're going to be so eager to negotiate this time.
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you know I thought people were starting to get it, but now I see that they aren’t. so gently caress em I think, I am not my brother’s keeper. if they don’t wanna make things better, ill make sure things can’t get better.
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Daikloktos posted:We lost to a guy who was barely campaigning. Ground game means jack poo poo. Ground game is everything if you don't have the media.
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One silver lining is that every smug centrist prick calling us "the same as Trump supporters" and "an insane cult" and so on are, in a few months, going to be desperately pleading with us for our votes and we can piss right in their eyes
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uncurable mlady posted:trump didn't exactly self-fund iirc, did he? I don't think trump is an anomaly in terms of policy, just in terms of aesthetics. if Biden goes over then you very much have a realignment to an ethnic nationalist minority party in the GOP and a Conservative party in the dems and no actual left power at the executive level. that strikes me as gg until there's some sort of significant crisis or other factor that realigns things. which Clinton playbook: Bill or Hillary? the only question that needs answering, the ones the DNC should be afraid of, is whether they get the same or lower voter turnout than 2016
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GrimGypsy posted:One silver lining is that every smug centrist prick calling us "the same as Trump supporters" and "an insane cult" and so on are, in a few months, going to be desperately pleading with us for our votes and we can piss right in their eyes like 'if you don't vote for biden you're voting for Trump" to which you reply, 'good.'
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Zodium posted:a socialist, for the second election in a row, is threatening to upend a political machine which has had generations and billions to build up its defenses against socialist policies, by leveraging ground game almost exclusively; he was figuratively carried to the frontrunner position, against monumental and overtly coordinated efforts by an establishment colluding with oligarchs, by the closest approximation to a physical manifestation of "the will of the people" during my lifetime? I'm European too. I wish I had your optimism but my country is basically the Alabama of Europe so I'm predisposed to blackpilling. And I'm tired of pretending like "The worker's movement only just barely failed this time" is a win for the left. I want to see neolibs eat poo poo, but they control the media and people are gullible morons. I don't know if it can be done.
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Truniht posted:which Clinton playbook: Bill or Hillary? seems like a bit of both. in terms of turnout, it seems like it's been extremely high overall. that's mostly why I'm worried about Biden actually winning the general if he gets the nom. tbf it's entirely possible Biden will crash and burn once it's just him and bernie on stage.
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Entenzahn posted:I'm European too. I wish I had your optimism but my country is basically the Alabama of Europe so I'm predisposed to blackpilling. And I'm tired of pretending like "The worker's movement only just barely failed this time" is a win for the left. I want to see neolibs eat poo poo, but they control the media and people are gullible morons. I don't know if it can be done. 
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Truniht posted:lol if you think trump and his ilk are ever going away I don't think there is anyone in the GOP that has Trumps personality and TV presence. Any of those guys are stiff as board trump bandwagon guys who are literally nothing without a leader to imitate the talking points of. Honestly if we get another Trump it would come from the outside again, just buying into the party and relying on their public persona. Even the most hardcore new GOP recruits are running on just PASS TRUMPS POLICY AND MAGA Most people thought Trump was a genius business man and charismatic because of a reality show.
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So I'm not giving up and I fully believe that Bernie and the movement can still pull this out but the idea that if this election goes to Biden/Trump there is still something to fight for in upcoming down ballot tickets is blind optimism. There is no wait and see down the road to do anything about the climate, this is it. Starting at the state level to pull someone up in 8 years is to late. Bernie or loving bust and if its bust then I'm out and heading to the family farm with the rest of my crazy hillbilly family.
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Jesus Christ America is not a first world country. Federal elections can be counted in less time than this poor bastard had to line up. No wonder people don't turn out to loving vote.
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