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I don't think a replicator would be the same thing every time. With how much storage they have, it wouldn't be that hard to have whatever chef came up with it to just make 10 different versions over the course of a month or whatever and just randomly pick one of those each time.
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People think purple ketchup tastes gross, even when the only thing different is that it's purple. People's other perceptions play a huge role in how they perceive taste. Did you know that you can make wine taste better to someone just by telling them it's expensive? Even if it's the same wine but between glasses you say this is the "special vintage".
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Mar 3, 2020 21:20
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I'll have to rewatch, but it really seemed like she was absolutely mystified by "eggs...plus flour...equals cookie???" part. Regardless, it's a super minor thing, but the thread's been quiet the last few days 
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Mar 3, 2020 21:24
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Yeah I don’t see why multiple recipes or variations of a dish could not be programmed into the replicators. Nothing I’ve seen would indicate it’s impossible.
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Mar 3, 2020 21:26
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piratepilates posted:People think purple ketchup tastes gross, even when the only thing different is that it's purple. People's other perceptions play a huge role in how they perceive taste. Yea this is what I think it is too. I bet if you told someone you made their dinner from scratch, they would love it (even if you replicated it 20 seconds beforehand). Now I'm imagining restaurants that put on a whole show about "cooking" but they actually
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Mar 3, 2020 21:44
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Yeah people complain about recipes in the replicator not being quite right (because of course how could they ever be right to everyone) and there's probably all kinds of dietary concessions programmed into Starfleet ship replicators to stop your crew getting fat* and sassy that are probably indistinguishable to the majority of people. But there's nothing stopping you replicating the raw ingredients and cooking it to your liking or just programming your own recipes in. *later seasons Riker probably using some command privileges there. That seems to be what the scene with Jurati and Maddox is going for, adding that personal flair instead of someone else's recipe. But the way it plays does make it seem more like the perception/placebo effect, and maybe that's what they wanted or maybe they just didn't quite get what similar scenes in previous shows were going for - that humanity will still crave challenge and nostalgia. That's what I like about Sisko's restaurant, it's basically a working museum for folks wanting an old fashioned dining experience with everything cooked from scratch. It's like going to a renaissance fair and getting some pig on a spit, except y'know, baller Creole cuisine instead. By contrast, the Mars workers aren't complaining about their pie not being quite how momma used to make or even getting coke zero instead of sugar, they're getting microwaved Hungry-Man Dinners #13B for some reason. No it's not a massive deal in isolation, but it could just as easily have been a scene where the small talk is about Chief What's-his-face adding his famous ragu to the menu or something. I'm more skeptical of this scene since all the characters in it are also framed as casually racist, blue collar schmoes, so maybe we're supposed to cheer (just a little) when the Android puts a mining laser through their necks. The show has far worse issues with tone and setting but since we're talking about replicators, that scene had a number of the little things that are adding up to a cynical view of the future the franchise spent years establishing. Felt more like the space communism as envisioned by that chud in the Havana supermarket photo. I doubt it's all intentional, and this mixed messaging is probably more the byproduct of relying on familiar and cliche stock characters you'd pull out of the bag for a Law and Order or Hawaii Five-O cold open. Lizard Combatant fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Mar 3, 2020 |
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Mar 3, 2020 22:37
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Yea this is what I think it is too. I bet if you told someone you made their dinner from scratch, they would love it (even if you replicated it 20 seconds beforehand). You mean Applebees?
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Mar 3, 2020 23:07
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Lizard Combatant posted:By contrast, the Mars workers aren't complaining about their pie not being quite how momma used to make or even getting coke zero instead of sugar, they're getting microwaved Hungry-Man Dinners #13B for some reason. No it's not a massive deal in isolation, but it could just as easily have been a scene where the small talk is about Chief What's-his-face adding his famous ragu to the menu or something. I'm more skeptical of this scene since all the characters in it are also framed as casually racist, blue collar schmoes, so maybe we're supposed to cheer (just a little) when the Android puts a mining laser through their necks. Yeah. The thing is, if the show just made the Dominion War a parallel to WW1 and had a couple of scenes to that effect in the opening episodes I'd be fine with it. Say that Starfleet lost 90% of the pre-war fleet, the professional core was hollowed out and a huge proportion of Federation citizenry who volunteered to fight because they're patriotic and the Fleet needed warm bodies are traumatised from having watched their friends get carved up by genetically engineered killing machines. The fleet is a shadow of what it once was, half the Federation core worlds have various Dominion-caused disasters that will take years to rebuild from, and nobody wants any more foreign adventures. There, I can buy into the premise of Picard now.
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Chabon says he considers the trauma and impact of the Dominion War a huge part of the cause of the Federation's pullout, but that references were cut because they didn't want to overload compulsory past references for viewers. Which... ehh. If it was that integral it would've been natural to work in.
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Mar 4, 2020 04:58
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MikeJF posted:Chabon says he considers the trauma and impact of the Dominion War a huge part of the cause of the Federation's pullout, but that references were cut because they didn't want to overload compulsory past references for viewers. Which... ehh. If it was that integral it would've been natural to work in. Hopefully that's something they go into in Season 2 then.
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Mar 4, 2020 05:02
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I will never understand the weird mix of underexplaining the unclear and overexplaining the obvious television shows love to provide
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Someone should tell them they are on the 'pretty much just star trek' streaming service.
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MikeJF posted:Chabon says he considers the trauma and impact of the Dominion War a huge part of the cause of the Federation's pullout, but that references were cut because they didn't want to overload compulsory past references for viewers. Which... ehh. If it was that integral it would've been natural to work in. Most tv viewers are idiots and I could absolutely believe some exec saw the DS9/Dominion references in the script and said something like “DS9? Nobody watched that! Cut it.”
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 And a few others where he talks about the backstory with reference to the Federation being seriously hosed by the Dominion War I could believe 'wiser heads' means studio, but even without using the word Dominion it seems like references to 'the war' and its impact during the argument with the admiral or the news interview would've flowed naturally and set up the situation better. Ominous mention of 'the war' are pretty much standard lexicon for sci-fi. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Mar 4, 2020 |
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I briefly hoped that I might see Cirroc Lofton on Picard as a contrasting anti-failson to Wesley, who also needs to come back long enough for us to make fun of him for being so loving awful. Why does goddamn Voyager get love and fuckall for the best Trek series. I guess the next show will be an Enterprise spinoff, which I wouldn't hate.
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Organic Lube User posted:...Why does goddamn Voyager get love and fuckall for the best Trek series. Because it's somehow the most popular Trek after TNG. I don't get it either.
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8one6 posted:Because it's somehow the most popular Trek after TNG. At least they brutally murdered Icheb. Always hated that little poo poo. But the only way to actually redeem themselves is to bring back and kill Neelix. I thought the borg-scavenging lady looked a lot like Troi when she would try to dress all horny when some space creep was mind raping her or whatever it was. At first I thought it WAS Troi. Organic Lube User fucked around with this message at 10:18 on Mar 4, 2020 |
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Yeah I’m sorry to say, and I find it hard to believe this is news to anyone, but most television (and now maybe especially $$$ franchise television) is designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator in order to broaden and refresh its fan base. Most of us here are not the lowest common denominator. So of course the studio, and Kurtzman, and Goldsman want to include as few references as possible to television shows that aired 20 years ago or more except for ones that younger people already know as memes like “tea, early grey hot.”
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Longbaugh01 posted:Yeah I’m sorry to say, and I find it hard to believe this is news to anyone, but most television (and now maybe especially $$$ franchise television) is designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator in order to broaden and refresh its fan base. Shut up and let me pretend that artistic integrity still has a place in Are Society.
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Organic Lube User posted:Shut up and let me pretend that artistic integrity still has a place in Are Society. I was in middle school when Voyager dedicated itself to maintaining the artistic integrity of the franchise.  I really appreciated the nuanced approach they took compared to other UPN shows like Deadly Games, 7 Days, or Homeboys in Outer Space. 8one6 fucked around with this message at 10:54 on Mar 4, 2020 |
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Mar 4, 2020 10:52
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8one6 posted:Because it's somehow the most popular Trek after TNG. You'd think they'd care more about  That said, the big Voyager stuff in Picard is all Seven related and Seven was an insanely popular character.
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MikeJF posted:You'd think they'd care more about Nielsen ratings are bullshit of course, but that DS9 decline  People often just don’t know how good they have it at the time.
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How does that decline compare to the general decline in tv viewers? No Star Trek is getting those TNG numbers ever again.
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MikeJF posted:You'd think they'd care more about This was a more recent gauge of what people had been watching (from 2017)  If anything in makes the Borg and Seven thing even more obvious.
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Mar 4, 2020 12:21
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Surprised to see Time and Again on there, hardly the most spectacular of episodes. I mean it was good but not particularly memorable, I thought.
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Mar 4, 2020 12:31
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Man I love statistics. They are so true, so correct and so irrelevant sometimes
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Surprised to see Time and Again on there, hardly the most spectacular of episodes. I mean it was good but not particularly memorable, I thought. IIRC that was because the poll skipped the first and second episode of each series, so I guess people got as far as Time and Again before realising Voyager was poo poo and gave up?
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Organic Lube User posted:I guess the next show will be an Enterprise spinoff, which I wouldn't hate. As long as they don't center it around USS Challenger, which blows up halfway through the first season and is replaced with USS Endeavour.
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Zaroff posted:IIRC that was because the poll skipped the first and second episode of each series, so I guess people got as far as Time and Again before realising Voyager was poo poo and gave up? I said it was good  E: and so was Parallax
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so according to that graph the highest rated episode of star trek (other than TOS) by a good margin is the DS9 pilot. it even beats the TNG finale.
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I'm caught up on Picard and, between being mystified at how much of a hilarious rear end in a top hat Daddy they're writing Picard as and the offhand revelation that Romulan names follow jellicle rules, I just gotta say: lmao, the gently caress is going on
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I think I liked it better when mostly all Romulans were imperious assholes.
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AntherUslessPoster posted:Man I love statistics. They are so true, so correct and so irrelevant sometimes I would bet theres a non-zero chance that it has something to do with people with insomnia putting stuff on to try to fall asleep to. I use Voyager to help me sleep CONSTANTLY. I've probably watched it through dozens of times. There's something about the way the sound is mixed where it never snaps you out of a daze, and the music not being jarring in the theme or end credits.
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Zaroff posted:IIRC that was because the poll skipped the first and second episode of each series, so I guess people got as far as Time and Again before realising Voyager was poo poo and gave up? Well it's most re-watched episodes, so they knew what they were in for already.
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marktheando posted:Well it's most re-watched episodes, so they knew what they were in for already. They just keep trying to get past that episode over and over and over again for an eternity. It's like a level in Dante's hell.
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Noise Complaint posted:I would bet theres a non-zero chance that it has something to do with people with insomnia putting stuff on to try to fall asleep to. oh yeah for sure. star trek in general is my #1 going to sleep show, because it is very low impact and often not so interesting i actually want to rewatch the episode. oftentimes i'll put an episode on a tablet in bed and just close my eyes, then hit the power off button when i'm close to snoozing.
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There’s a LOT of old trek episodes that work fine as radio drama/watching with eyes closed
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As a kid in the 90s they aired TNG reruns at 11:30p every night. I fell asleep to Star Trek for most of puberty. Hell yeah for having a tv in my room. My kids are not allowed to since I maybe got 5 hours of sleep a night for years.
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Noise Complaint posted:I would bet theres a non-zero chance that it has something to do with people with insomnia putting stuff on to try to fall asleep to. I need that magic Soji's mom video call.
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