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Rich Uncle Chet posted:I just...gently caress, goddammit. smoobles posted:Cool post, vote D. Trump is a national emergency. Get over yourself. The voice of the Democratic Party. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Mar 4, 2020 |
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PerniciousKnid posted:Democrats have a real problem in the rust belt in particular and they would benefit from some populist magic. Correct. They firmly need that old time religion. If they want to win. Which it kind of seems like they don't.
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Brown Moses posted:Billionaires for Biden launches We truly live in Hell.
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I'd like to point out that the CA result, while positive, is still disappointing. Sure the fact that only Biden and Bernie are going to be viable is great for the delegate haul, but why is the level of support so tepid?
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TulliusCicero posted:Also Michigan is pretty staunchly Bernie, at least it was in 2016 So was OK, we see how that turned out.
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Gonzo McFee posted:And your man to stop this is Biden. Biden the man who so hosed up with Clarence Thomas that he got the Anti-civil rights sex pest on the Supreme Court. Biden who has actively worked to get more right wing psychopaths in the Democratic party. Biden the guy who palls around with people who want segregation back? If he wins the nomination, yes. Can you summarize why Trump's choice to replace RBG would be better?
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Just a reminder that every poll that was "lean Biden" before super tuesday will now be significantly more in Biden's favor with Bloomberg dropping out and ST momentum. It is not clear at this point if Bernie can win any of the states he was projected to win pre-ST.
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if the argument is "we must put biden forward because otherwise we'll alienate the centrist vote" the corollary to that is "we must put bernie forward because otherwise we'll alienate the leftist vote". the double standard of holding the former position without accepting the latter is what's so galling in all of this
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People died for the 8 hour work day. I lost my poo poo last night. I spiraled hard. I'm the definition of white middle class millennial man. I grew up in the 90s and wish I could go back to that mental and emotional place. I'm terrified of climate change and I go to therapy to help get a handle on my hyperactive empathy that I used to hold as a badge of honor, but now feel is a liability. I'm as far away from a freedom fighter as I can imagine. I'm so many cliches formed into a cliche Voltron. I'm gonna keep working towards whatever the best possible outcome is. People died for the 8 hour work day. There's nothing to reasonably do but keep fighting. To do anything else would be to add one more cliche to my pile. And a fatal one.
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Gonzo McFee posted:I'm Scottish mate I'm just here to watch someone else's country talk itself into voting to continue to skull gently caress itself to death. mcmahon/levesque 2024 tokyo reject posted:It's pretty nuts that when the dust settled, it came down to Joe loving Biden as the candidate the DNC is running with for 2020 against Trump. there is no way biden wins against trump and anyone saying he will just really, really wants a D win. And I don't blame them in the slightest.
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“In the face of the split between classes, the democratic belief in harmony as held by the bourgeois is shattered; in the face of bourgeois class rule, democratic belief in harmony as held by socialism collapses.”
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TyrantWD posted:I'd like to point out that the CA result, while positive, is still disappointing. Sure the fact that only Biden and Bernie are going to be viable is great for the delegate haul, but why is the level of support so tepid? Young people don't vote.
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smoobles posted:If he wins the nomination, yes. Can you summarize why Trump's choice to replace RBG would be better? Just shut up. The vampires who run the Democratic Party don't need you to stan for them and repeat the same lovely talking points.
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https://www.vox.com/2020/3/4/21164091/sanders-biden-super-tuesday-endorsements-primary-2020 This piece sums up my views pretty well. If Biden is so bad as people say he is, you think it would be an easy choice to just do some outreach and have positive political messaging about the Democratic Party. If Sanders relinquishes his pride, he could still win this.
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VitalSigns posted:If progressives just cried and gave up every time a bad election result happened, there'd still be slave markets in DC Dont worry, rich people wont be stopped until they are dead. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/12/slaverys-global-comeback/266354/ quote:December 19, 2012 https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/feb/25/modern-slavery-trafficking-persons-one-in-200 quote:25 Feb 2019
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smoobles posted:If he wins the nomination, yes. Can you summarize why Trump's choice to replace RBG would be better? I asked this upthread a bit and didn't get an answer - why do you think Biden will nominate someone better, if it comes to that?
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smoobles posted:If he wins the nomination, yes. Can you summarize why Trump's choice to replace RBG would be better? In a act of bipartisanship Biden would choose a staunchly Republican judge to replace RBG and then shrug and do mea culpa's afterwards
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The Mike Bloomberg story: Hands up, who likes me? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzf1_6ROslI&t=20s
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Cowcaster posted:if the argument is "we must put biden forward because otherwise we'll alienate the centrist vote" the corollary to that is "we must put bernie forward because otherwise we'll alienate the leftist vote". the double standard of holding the former without accepting the latter is what's so galling in all of this There are clearly more centrist Democrats than leftists based on these results. They won. It sucks, but that's how it's shaken out and being stubborn wont change any of that.
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Cowcaster posted:if the argument is "we must put biden forward because otherwise we'll alienate the centrist vote" the corollary to that is "we must put bernie forward because otherwise we'll alienate the leftist vote". the double standard of holding the former position without accepting the latter is what's so galling in all of this We would have seen people doing that with Bernie in lead as well, just me and this thread would have enjoyed it a lot more to watch the rear end in a top hat centrist claim they won't vote for him so we can tell them to vote blue.
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:In a act of bipartisanship Biden would choose a staunchly Republican judge to replace RBG and then shrug and do mea culpa's afterwards Biden's nominating Merrick Garland, let's be real
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I don’t think you guys should count on an economic crash happening at the right time to help anyone running against Trump. People have been predicting recessions and bear markets for years and what we know for sure is that it will happen, but you don’t know when.
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TyrantWD posted:He clearly has a level of support that we underestimated. He didn't just win Arkansas and Alabama. He won MA right under Bernie and Warren's noses without lifting a finger there. I agree with many of your points here, though wouldn't necessarily have yesterday. There's such a diverse range of opinions from punters here about the pro's and con's of Sander's and Biden's potential against Trump, and then as President. But who of these 2 can unite the Dem's when the primaries are done, and then bring swinging voters across? Im blown away by the results for Biden today, and find myself totally conflicted about how the Dem's can bring together progressives, centrists and the chronically underwhelmed to defeat Trump and who out of these 2 can do that, assuming that the bottom line for most here is to see Trump removed. If Warren were to exit and throw full weight behind Sanders now I reckon he's still a good chance. AP not long ago reported that she's digging her heals in and not going anywhere....
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I honestly don't know any centrists who are happy about having to vote for Joe Biden. I don't understand what erstwhile voters he's supposed to turn out. It seems like only old southern black people are super on board with him, and they will vote Democrat 100% of the time in states that will go GOP 100% of the time.
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mutata posted:People died for the 8 hour work day. I lost my poo poo last night. I spiraled hard. I'm the definition of white middle class millennial man. I grew up in the 90s and wish I could go back to that mental and emotional place. I'm terrified of climate change and I go to therapy to help get a handle on my hyperactive empathy that I used to hold as a badge of honor, but now feel is a liability. I'm as far away from a freedom fighter as I can imagine. I'm so many cliches formed into a cliche Voltron. I know exactly what you mean.
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Bloomberg would have been better off if he funded a 500 million dollar biopic of his own life with special guest director Señor Spielbergo
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Cowcaster posted:if the argument is "we must put biden forward because otherwise we'll alienate the centrist vote" the corollary to that is "we must put bernie forward because otherwise we'll alienate the leftist vote". the double standard of holding the former position without accepting the latter is what's so galling in all of this I don't think the pundit class disputes this, but the leftist vote was proven to be smaller than the centrist vote, so it's easy to dismiss.
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smoobles posted:If he wins the nomination, yes. Can you summarize why Trump's choice to replace RBG would be better? There would be no difference in the people they nominate. Trump will pick a Republican, Biden will dig up the corpse of Arlen Specter.
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thewalk posted:What are you tired about? Once every few years circling a name? Well gee, might it be that the expectation that you have to help give power to people who constantly poo poo on you might be kinda draining? You're literally talking as if voting doesn't actually matter for anything and is just a fun activity you do every couple of years, which is actually is kinda hilarious in a way. Fluffy Bunnies posted:mcmahon/levesque 2024 Triple H is never going to play second fiddle, and you know it.
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Dietrich posted:2020 is more important than 2016 because it's a census year, AND RBG's seat is 99% going to be up between 2020 and 2024. Vote your loving rear end off in November. For for D's up and down the god-drat ticket, unless you want to spend the next 10 years in the congressional and state government wilderness and the next 50 with conservatives having a 6/3 majority on the supreme loving court. The "progressives" (at least they aren't LEFTISTS!!!) you want to win hate Muslims as much as the Republicans do, this isn't a matter of privilege. I'm not going to sign my kid's death warrant so you can return politeness to the White House.
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So if Biden gets the nod are we doing those bumper stickers or what?
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TyrantWD posted:I'd like to point out that the CA result, while positive, is still disappointing. Sure the fact that only Biden and Bernie are going to be viable is great for the delegate haul, but why is the level of support so tepid? I live in San Francisco and I can tell you the Bay Area at least is chock FULL of affluent neoliberals. Yeah there's very active progressive flanks around here, but they're easily outnumbered by D voters who "support gay marriage and have maybe dated someone of another ethnicity once in college but lets not talk about taxing my 6 figure income while I literally step over homeless people sleeping on the sidewalk in SoMa or upper Market" types. I imagine a lot of California's voting demographics are similar to this.
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smoobles posted:If he wins the nomination, yes. Can you summarize why Trump's choice to replace RBG would be better? is Trump running in the Dem primary?? howd he pull that off
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Anyone who genuinely thinks Biden is going to be exactly like Trump is deep into groupthink. He is not a good candidate but he is not going to start a war via Twitter, put Mike loving Pence in charge of a pandemic or constantly fire his staff for not supporting his Sharpe drawings. I will in fact toxx right now that Biden doesn't in fact plan to cackle madly while he destroys social security. He is still a lovely centrist but don't try to yell at people that they are The Same because they will tune you out. Fight on for what you believe in and stop trying to justify giving up.
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Do your best and finish this off for Bernie. Get as much as possible.
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Democrazy posted:https://www.vox.com/2020/3/4/21164091/sanders-biden-super-tuesday-endorsements-primary-2020 The Democratic party is fundamentally opposed to Bernie Sanders. This is like saying your Landlord might think about lowering your rent if you buy them presents.
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Guze posted:Young people don't vote. This has been the most disheartening thing about Super Tuesday to me. It's really felt like youth have been more active in politics over the past 4 years, since they're the ones having to deal with daily school shootings, paying the exorbitant cost of college, and minimum wage jobs. But their turnout to vote during Super Tuesday was even lower than in 2016 in most states.
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JawKnee posted:I asked this upthread a bit and didn't get an answer - why do you think Biden will nominate someone better, if it comes to that? I think he'd probably choose a left leaning POC because he knows his base and isn't suddenly a Republican just because he's a lame establishment Dem. He wouldn't torpedo Roe V Wade.
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