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RottenK posted:firstly, lmao at calling elizabeth "collapsed everywhere and finished third in her own state" warren very popular You're going to be really disappointed when she loses in the primaries to Joe manchin.
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Democrazy posted:Sanders and his supporters were doing very little to court Warren and her supporters even before then. He managed to get a lot of them to stop Bloomberg or Biden, but if his campaign was a little more dedicated to actually courting her supporters, a lot of this probably could have been handled more amicably and with better results for him on Tuesday. what part of Bernie trying to court Warren's supporters would have stopped her from doing what she did, again if anything that would have hurried it up, god knows she didn't open fire on him because he was just being so gosh-darned mean.
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I love AOC and want her to be God Emperor of Mankind but she’s going to have it difficult against Pete in a primary, outspoken confident progressive fighting for justice and the future versus milqtoast centrist decorum compromising white boy is going to make the olds go with the nice young man.
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kidkissinger posted:There was no chance of her dropping out no matter what we did you moron. She immediately backtracked on a campaign promise and accepted millions in finding from a superpac in order to stay in. Elizabeth Warren is a craven shithead. She's not the reason Bernie did badly yesterday, but she certainly contributed. Why is every Sanders “supporter” so committed to losing instead of to winning? You already lost once in 2016, and you’re doing even worse now. Are you happy?
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Inferior Third Season posted:Using the power of state to subjugate and terrorize minorities is a policy. It is. But the wall itself has little to do with it. “The wall” is more important as a symbol than as a physical barrier.
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Democrazy posted:Sanders and his supporters were doing very little to court Warren and her supporters even before then. He managed to get a lot of them to stop Bloomberg or Biden, but if his campaign was a little more dedicated to actually courting her supporters, a lot of this probably could have been handled more amicably and with better results for him on Tuesday. She cratered pretty bad over the past few weeks so either Biden got her supporters or Sanders did. I suspect it's Bernie so he probably did a decent job of it.
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Cerebral Bore posted:If Biden is so electable, how come he completely ate poo poo before backstage string-pulling gave him a bunch of high-profile endorsements and led to most everybody else dropping out in his favor? Doesn't seem like that his recent success is tied to the man at all. The most frustrating thing about people perceiving Biden as electable is that it's a bunch of people perceiving each other as on team Biden. Everyone is doing it begrudgingly. Black people are doing it because they think white people will vote for him, white people are doing it because they think black people will vote for him. His entire base of support is a paper tiger. It's the DNC locking people in interrogation rooms playing a routine where they say their accomplice just gave them up, so they might as well fess up too. The idea that this poo poo will work in the general election when the same "electability" facade collapsed 4 years ago is insane.
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Gatts posted:I love AOC and want her to be God Emperor of Mankind but she’s going to have it difficult against Pete in a primary, outspoken confident progressive fighting for justice and the future versus milqtoast centrist decorum compromising white boy is going to make the olds go with the nice young man. The old people of this era will be dead by then.
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Gatts posted:I love AOC and want her to be God Emperor of Mankind but she’s going to have it difficult against Pete in a primary, outspoken confident progressive fighting for justice and the future versus milqtoast centrist decorum compromising white boy is going to make the olds go with the nice young man. AOC can't run until 2028. In 8 years a lot more olds will finally be dead
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Oh Snapple! posted:I'm assuming Kaal views Bernie running at all to be the stab in the back. Remember her surrogates were complaining that Bernie campaigning in Massachusettes (literally courting Warren supporters) was sexist and a stab in the back. Naturally Biden actually winning her state is fine and not sexist at all.
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So is Warren going to drop out and endorse Biden (lol) or hang in to try to accrue enough delegates to be a kingmaker at the convention?
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Endorph posted:what was he supposed to do? she basically turned to him on stage and accused him of being a sexist, what was he supposed to do? 'yes i am a sexist, you're right.' he obviously countered that, and that led to people acting like they hated each other now. The best way to handle it would have been to call her first to talk it out when the story broke and then release a statement to say, “I did not intend and do not believe that a woman can’t win and am sorry I was not more clear on that point in my wide-ranging conversation with Senator Warren.” It boggles belief that he didn’t have a comms person who could point that out.
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Democrazy posted:Why is every Sanders “supporter” so committed to losing instead of to winning? You already lost once in 2016, and you’re doing even worse now. Are you happy? Remember how center-right types like you handed over the House in 2010, the Senate in 2014, the Presidency in 2016, and the majority of state governments throughout those years, to outright fascists, because you tried to reason with them and compromise with them? I'm not sure this is rhetoric you want to be using.
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If sanders can't get fealty from the losers then yeah Biden should be the nom especially when y'all still haven't shut the gently caress up about the Warren tiff
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Majorian posted:Whole lotta revisionist history here. Sounds like trotskyism to me.
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VitalSigns posted:Remember her surrogates were complaining that Bernie campaigning in Massachusettes (literally courting Warren supporters) was sexist and a stab in the back. Warren and Klobuchar doing bad is absolutely sexism at work. Just not only sexism. People want to support a woman for president but never that one. I'm sure folks will find a reason to be mad at AOC in 8 years.
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Nail Rat posted:AOC can't run until 2028. In 8 years a lot more olds will finally be dead she's eligible in 2024, by like two weeks
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Majorian posted:Remember how center-right types like you handed over the House in 2010, the Senate in 2014, the Presidency in 2016, and the majority of state governments throughout those years, to outright fascists, because you tried to reason with them and compromise with them? I'm not sure this is rhetoric you want to be using. remember when center-right types won the house in 2018? because that actually definitively happened, in a contest where both leftists and centrists got a chance and leftists failed.
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ZenVulgarity posted:If sanders can't get fealty from the losers then yeah Biden should be the nom especially when y'all still haven't shut the gently caress up about the Warren tiff What a thoroughly stupid post. The fact that Biden got "fealty" from the losers is because their interests align. evilweasel posted:remember when center-right types won the house in 2018? Not by running a pro-status quo strategy. The notion that running the 2016 playbook again is the route to victory is beyond dumb.
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Gatts posted:I love AOC and want her to be God Emperor of Mankind but she’s going to have it difficult against Pete in a primary, outspoken confident progressive fighting for justice and the future versus milqtoast centrist decorum compromising white boy is going to make the olds go with the nice young man. Pete's faux-Obama platitudes disappear and he collapses into the smug yapping rear end in a top hat he is at the slightest pressure, the only way she's losing to him is if he gets a complete personality transplant. Even the "well Bernie is just so GRUMPY" brigade have to admit that Pete got owned by everyone the second people saw who he really was
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yronic heroism posted:The best way to handle it would have been to call her first to talk it out when the story broke and then release a statement to say, “I did not intend and do not believe that a woman can’t win and am sorry I was not more clear on that point in my wide-ranging conversation with Senator Warren.” It boggles belief that he didn’t have a comms person who could point that out. That's a lot of words for something that would interpreted as "I did it. I'm a raging misogynist." by the MSM, and then used in attack ads until forever.
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evilweasel posted:remember when center-right types won the house in 2018? And they've been worthless ever since.
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Hahahahahahahaha eat poo poo Bloomberg. I'm so glad he fell under 15% in California and Texas.
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Democrazy posted:Why is every Sanders “supporter” so committed to losing instead of to winning? You already lost once in 2016, and you’re doing even worse now. Are you happy? The center left has won like three major elections in my lifetime and those wins all resulted in a slide to the right.
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Majorian posted:Remember how center-right types like you handed over the House in 2010, the Senate in 2014, the Presidency in 2016, and the majority of state governments throughout those years? I'm not sure this is rhetoric you want to be using. Sanders is losing. He needs to change something he’s doing, and all I’m hearing is how he cannot possible change. What’s the point if he can’t effect how the race is going to go? You either want to win or you don’t. And if you do, then last night demonstrated that you have to change.
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evilweasel posted:remember when center-right types won the house in 2018? i remember when they voted for trump's military budget and did the most half-assed impeachment ever
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yronic heroism posted:The best way to handle it would have been to call her first to talk it out when the story broke and then release a statement to say, “I did not intend and do not believe that a woman can’t win and am sorry I was not more clear on that point in my wide-ranging conversation with Senator Warren.” It boggles belief that he didn’t have a comms person who could point that out.
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kidkissinger posted:The center left has won like three major elections in my lifetime and those wins all resulted in a slide to the right. And how many have candidates you love won, exactly? Do you feel happy to lose to people you feel so superior to?
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Democrazy posted:Sanders is losing. He needs to change something he’s doing, and all I’m hearing is how he cannot possible change. Then you're not listening. Most of us on the left are saying he needs to go on the offensive, attack Biden on social security, appeal better to the olds, etc.
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SKULL.GIF posted:To head this off at the pass, anyone upset that Bernie is going critical on Biden is transparently arguing in bad faith, as Trump is going to use every single one of these criticisms (and more!) against Biden in the general. If he can't survive it in the primary, he won't survive it in the general. Agree. Racing is the best training.
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Xombie posted:The poster is saying that both old white and old black voters went Biden while young white and young black voters went Bernie. Old black voters are black so there’s no “rather than” here.
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Democrazy posted:And how many have candidates you love won, exactly? Do you feel happy to lose to people you feel so superior to? It's almost as if the deck is stacked against people trying to make broad systemic change for the benefit of the majority of people.
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Majorian posted:Then you're not listening. Most of us on the left are saying he needs to go on the offensive, attack Biden on social security, appeal better to the olds, etc. This is where dipshits like democrazy start preemptively blaming you for Trump winning.
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evilweasel posted:the simple answer is that it takes a certain level of self-confidence that borders on delusion to run for president in the first place, and its hard for reality to dent that. warren certainly prefers sanders to biden; she just prefers herself to sanders. It was also delusional for Biden to stay in so whooooo knows. But yeah it's time.
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Majorian posted:Then you're not listening. Most of us on the left are saying he needs to go on the offensive, attack Biden on social security, appeal better to the olds, etc. That’s not changing. That’s not working. He’s losing listening to that advice.
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evilweasel posted:remember when center-right types won the house in 2018? because that actually definitively happened, in a contest where both leftists and centrists got a chance and leftists failed. and in response, the democrats incited a round of race hatred against leftists, for saying "we shouldn't unconditionally fund concentration camps for untermenschen" good times
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Pick posted:It was also delusional for Biden to stay in so whooooo knows. But yeah it's time. i mean it was 100% grade-a unfiltered delusion for biden to run in 2008, and look where that got him!
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Democrazy posted:Sanders is losing. He needs to change something he’s doing, and all I’m hearing is how he cannot possible change. What’s the point if he can’t effect how the race is going to go? Well he started to actually attack Biden, is that something? Or he should just start saying "actually not everything should be better"
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yronic heroism posted:The best way to handle it would have been to call her first to talk it out when the story broke and then release a statement to say, “I did not intend and do not believe that a woman can’t win and am sorry I was not more clear on that point in my wide-ranging conversation with Senator Warren.” It boggles belief that he didn’t have a comms person who could point that out. She'd probably just say he was harassing her, like her surrogates did when he came over to shake her hand. "How Bernie Sanders Is Like Your Abusive Ex Who Won't Stop Calling" part 1 of Vox.com's 5-part series.
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