golden bubble posted:

Coven is the reverse of those cards. Unlike a normal curser that slows down your opponents immediately, Coven doesn't slow down their deck at all in the early game, until Oops All The Curses.

Donald X. Vaccarino posted:

Exiling isn't gaining, and discarding from Exile isn't gaining (though it's discarding, triggering e.g. Tunnel).

You can get the Curses into your deck earlier by e.g. buying a Curse though.

Previews day four: Ways and Events posted:

First we have Ways. There are 20 of these. Okay so. They're landscape cards like Events and Landmarks and Projects. You deal them out the same way, except, don't use more than one Way per game (that's my advice anyway). A Way gives an alternate use to all Action cards that game. When you play an Action card, pick, do you want its normal function, or do you want the Way. If you want the Way, you just do what the Way says, that's that. It's like Action cards all say, "Choose one: that Way thing, or what this normally does." We turn the Action card sideways to remember which ones did the Way. Stuff below a dividing line is unaffected; if it's like, "While this is in play, something something," that will still happen.

Ways work any time you play an Action card. This means for example that if you play Sheepdog via its reaction, that can still use a Way if you want. If you Throne Room a card, it could be the Way the first time, not-the-Way the second time, or any combination. As always there's a rulebook, you'll get to see it eventually.



Way of the Ox is a simple one: +2 Actions. In games with this, every Action card can instead be used for +2 Actions. Your hand is nothing but Smithies? Play one for +2 Actions and away you go. Or, what was that thing from two days ago? Horses, that's right. Way of the Ox lets you play a Horse for +2 Actions, and still have it for later. And a Necropolis, well, uh, maybe the next one will be better for Necropolis.

Way of the Mole is also simple, there are a bunch of simple ones.

Way of the Turtle is a trickier one. It lets you play any card to set itself aside and replay it next turn. Way of the Turtle says "this" on it, but that's the card you played, it's not Way of the Turtle itself. You don't want your Moneylender this turn, so you Turtle it, and play it at the start of your next turn. I hear you asking, but wait, when you play it next turn, can't you just use Way of the Turtle again to save it for the turn after that? Yes, of course you can. If you want, it can be Turtles all the way down.

Online, you can click on a button on an Action card to instead do the Way with one click. You can also click on the Way itself, highlighting it, then click on an Action in hand. Cards like Throne Room and Vassal pause to give you a chance to use the Way on the extra play.

Menagerie also has 20 Events. They're just like the ones in Adventures and Empires, only new. In your Buy phase, you can use a Buy and pay the cost to generate the effect. Some of the Events involve Horses or Exile, but many don't, including these three.



Toil gives you a way to turn cash into playing Action cards from your hand. It's a secret village, for certain kinds of things. And if you just have $2 left you can't do anything useful with, you can Toil ironically.

Commerce makes some amount of Gold, depending on the variety of cards you've gained this turn. Scrap an Estate for a Silver and a Horse and you're well on your way.

Populate is a big one. You gain one card from each Action supply pile. Foosh! That's potentially 10 cards in a game without Ruins or Young Witch, though some piles may not be Actions, and if a good pile ran out, tough luck. And you can't say, "no I don't want that Beggar and that Ruined Library." You get to pick the order they show up, or online can click on a "random order" button when you don't care.

Mr. Squishy posted:

More tunnel enabling. Also, I have no clue how Populate is good.
e: or Commerce. When are you gaining multiple cards and suddenly want a bunch of Gold flooding your deck?

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If you want, it can be Turtles all the way down.

Mr. Squishy posted:

Many Horses can be yours


I did this a few times in the game and ended w/ an 80+ card deck and I think all of the horses.

Toshimo posted:

Gardens

Safety Biscuits posted:

Gardens decks don't make $10. Fairgrounds maybe, or good trash-for-benefit? And of course it's cheaper than buying all those cards individually. Or lets you empty multiple piles at once.

Ways look awesome, very simple but interesting.

Toshimo posted:

Gardens

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Populate can often be misleading but there's definitely going to be games when there's a few powerful but expensive cards, or just decent enough synergy (like there's a few villages/cantrips and you're not stuffing your deck with a bunch of terminals) or cards that are otherwise hard to gain (e.g. Grand Market) and getting to 10 with a single buy is going to gain you 4+ useful cards that would cost combined much more with multiple buys (and then you gain some chaff that you can trash away or use situationally)

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I did this a few times in the game and ended w/ an 80+ card deck and I think all of the horses.

Guy A. Person posted:

I think they meant gardens for "When are you gaining multiple cards and suddenly want a bunch of Gold flooding your deck?"

Safety Biscuits posted:

1. What good is Toil, apart from letting you play an action that gives you +$3 or better, or another buy?

Safety Biscuits posted:

1. What good is Toil, apart from letting you play an action that gives you +$3 or better, or another buy?

"Menagerie Previews Day 5: More Cards posted:

And here we are with... more cards.



I warned you that there were more Duration cards. Here's Mastermind, which is like King's Court but slower. You can King's Court a King's Court in one turn; with Mastermind that's play Mastermind, next turn Mastermind a Mastermind, next turn actually play three things three times.

Menagerie has two minor themes I didn't mention yet. Surprise! The first one is reaction cards; there are five of them. Five! Four of them do the trick Sheepdog did of letting you play them at an unusual time; Black Cat is one of those. It's a Witch they have to activate for you. I will just point out now: when they gain a Province and that lets you use Black Cat, the other players gain Curses and that lets them use Sheepdogs.

The other minor theme is cards with weird costs; there are four of these, including Animal Fair. Wayfarer's weird cost is whatever the previous card cost. You could play Bureaucrat, gain a Silver, then Wayfarer costs $3. Or with two Buys, buy a Copper, now Wayfarer costs $0. Or buy an Engineer for 4 Debt and well now Wayfarer costs 4 Debt.

That's all the previews you were expecting! The cards will continue to be playable online through the weekend, then vanish, then come out properly online when the physical version is out. We still expect it around March 18.

This time for no special reason I am going to keep previewing cards until the set comes out or the rulebook is posted. These cards won't be playable online (until the whole set comes out), they will just be images to look at and ponder. I'll do one a day, and if people request stuff they'd like to see, I'll try to pick one of those things. They can be kingdom cards or sideways ones.

Elysium posted:

I think Wayfarer is going to be more interesting than "buy or gain something cheap, so you can buy it for cheap." Like buy something expensive, so you can then you can use it's boosted cost to do something cool. Like Mine a Gold into a Platinum, and then Apprentice your Wayfarer for 9 cards.

Bonus Preview 1 posted:

People asked for various things, but the big one was Ways, everyone wants to see more. Someone wanted the "vice-versa" card and someone wanted the most rule-bending things, so here's all three of those, and the most exotic thing in the set.



Durations are tricky. It only applies to this turn; if you play Merchant Ship using Way of the Chameleon, you get +2 Cards this turn and +$2 next turn. Also some things get you cards but aren't "+Cards"; Way of the Chameleon doesn't apply to them. There will be a rulebook eventually!

Mr. Squishy posted:

Bonus Preview 2 posted:

Here's another Way, for you people hungry for Ways. Despite Way of the Chameleon, they are mostly very simple, whether vanilla like Way of the Ox, or just, you know, simple, like Way of the Rat.



In games with Way of the Rat, everything can gain copies of itself. There you have it.

Mr. Squishy posted:

Did the rats in the picture have to be going right for your eyes?
Another interesting one. When do you want your fantastic action to instead be a terminal gainer?
e: that wasn't a rhetorical question meaning "when is this ever good?", I genuinely think that's a neat question to pose players.

Mr. Squishy posted:

Did the rats in the picture have to be going right for your eyes?
Another interesting one. When do you want your fantastic action to instead be a terminal gainer?
e: that wasn't a rhetorical question meaning "when is this ever good?", I genuinely think that's a neat question to pose players.