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Rated PG-34 posted:drat, it’s almost as if we need a real working class party lets build one
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gradenko_2000 posted:Alexpanders Ocasio-Cortez
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Bernie living the cspam dream, taunting an American spook imprisoned by a communist country to their face https://twitter.com/timkmak/status/1235189237827411968?s=19
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see AOC doesnt even have any bernies past radical views that people can cling to, i absolutely do not see the appeal.
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Enjoy posted:base attack bonus Base Ettack Bonus
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namesake posted:This and the UK demonstrate that without integrated left social spaces and the meaningful presence of groups that operate on principles of solidarity in routine life the regular voter is incredibly gullible and either innately skeptical or quick to anger. Hopeful messages cannot break through this starting state alone against the osmosis they get from bourgeois media output. I think those things take time to build and both corbyn and sander's were operating on a time table that isn't realistic for realizing electoral success. the right has spent a generation of sending young people to law school who will end up as judges, building party machinery that's entirely focused on winning power above all else, and being able to play both parties just so in order to achieve what they want.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Alexpanders Ocasio-Cortez
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MizPiz posted:Bernie living the cspam dream, taunting an American spook imprisoned by a communist country to their face goon project: invent time travel and bring 80s Bernie forward in time to become President.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Alexpanders Ocasio-Cortez
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Dreylad posted:I think those things take time to build and both corbyn and sander's were operating on a time table that isn't realistic for realizing electoral success. the right has spent a generation of sending young people to law school who will end up as judges, building party machinery that's entirely focused on winning power above all else, and being able to play both parties just so in order to achieve what they want. Well yeah but certainly the Corbyn experience and I would guess the Sanders experience over there is giving lots of people the sense that it's a good idea (hell that it's even possible) to leapfrog over that sort of level of organising and instead try and do decapitation strikes at the leadership of the left party. It worked in the UK by total random chance to get Corbyn as leader but a lot of that was completely wasted because there wasn't the ground strength and co-ordination to sort out the various internal structures and competitive electoral positions to give socialism any presence in the general political sphere. Even if RLB wins, even if Sanders does become president then the main task for socialists (organising the working class) still needs to be done and it's a blurry line as to whether internal faction fights in a bourgeois political party pretty heavily stuck in opposition are of any value to that goal. I guess that does sound quite BEBy but the question is: after this election period, where are all the socialists and left activists going to go and what are they going to do?
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namesake posted:I guess that does sound quite BEBy but the question is: after this election period, where are all the socialists and left activists going to go and what are they going to do? That is a legitimate question and one that I wonder about as well. It always seems like political movements in the US, especially the popular and good ones, tend to flame out. Although that's usually because whoever is leading them gets killed. I think after this election period, even if things go poorly, whatever energy is left has to go to challenging capital directly through labour organization. The whole dynamic in the US has to shift where left-wing politicians exist to support labour movements, not the other way around. That kind of pressure can act as a pretty effective substitute to having representatives in power, and is way more accountable to working-class people. As you say there's still a question of whether or not elements in the coalition Sanders has assembled are of any use to begin with. There are definitely parts of it that are not. Helsing had a good post in CanPol about the elements that comprise Canadian progressive politics that you see in the US and elsewhere: Helsing posted:This passage kind of sums up a major hurdle for progressives in Canada: Dreylad fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Mar 4, 2020 |
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what organizations do good work with labor organising? I live adjacent to nowhere, Indiana
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namesake posted:This and the UK demonstrate that ftfy
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MizPiz posted:Bernie living the cspam dream, taunting an American spook imprisoned by a communist country to their face literally in the article it talks about how Gross told a different story at the time and he acknowledged acknowledged that its really only pertinent now. How many rubes are going to fall for this.
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Elizabeth Warren told me in a psychic dream that trans women weren't valid, as a trans woman I demand she drop out. Warren campaign don't mention this post but if she does we'll all know it was me, forums poster T-man, who caused it. 
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https://twitter.com/nathanjrobinson/status/1235333609415901186?s=21 this guy sucks so loving bad lol However I forgive those on this forum who defended him from me through the years. let bygones be bygones imo
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i flunked out posted:literally in the article it talks about how Gross told a different story at the time and he acknowledged acknowledged that its really only pertinent now. How many rubes are going to fall for this. check out his wikipedia bio quote:He studied sociology at the University of Maryland and social work at Virginia Commonwealth University, before moving to Potomac, Maryland.[13][16] He had a long career as an international development worker who had been active in some 50 countries and territories across the Middle East, Africa and Europe,[17] including Iraq and Afghanistan, where he was setting up satellite communications systems to NGOs.[18] how many red flags can you spot?
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All my favorite podcasters Nathan, that'd just be great
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what's to stop people votekicking the trust funders currently at the top of the dsa and pushing it back into its mutual aid etc stuff? like it seems to me you've already got something that could be a viable socialist party right there, and with good experience doing organising and such.
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GalacticAcid posted:https://twitter.com/nathanjrobinson/status/1235333609415901186?s=21 https://twitter.com/Kulinski_crat_1/status/1235338259779198976?s=20 https://twitter.com/Skepacabra/status/1235334756453277696?s=20 https://twitter.com/TomRauner_/status/1235337229024845825?s=20 Gamemaster Anthony's Cable Network Prince Myshkin fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Mar 5, 2020 |
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The Saagar Enjeti Power Hour to compete with Tucker Carlson to see who can Herrenvolk Socialism harder
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Pretty cool that the US left is just like, yeah, I'll pretend not to know about this guy's awful history because he says "neoliberal" a few times. That's ideological rigor if I've ever seen it!
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Prince Myshkin posted:Pretty cool that the US left is just like, yeah, I'll pretend not to know about this guy's awful history because he says "neoliberal" a few times. That's ideological rigor if I've ever seen it! you're going to have to be way more specific
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Raskolnikov38 posted:you're going to have to be way more specific He was the Daily Caller's White House correspondent during the first years of Trump.
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megalodong posted:what's to stop people votekicking the trust funders currently at the top of the dsa and pushing it back into its mutual aid etc stuff? From experience: the inherent liberalism of much of the org.
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Joe Biden 2020: Pretend The Train Is Moving
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StashAugustine posted:Joe Biden 2020: Pretend The Train Is Moving
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megalodong posted:what's to stop people votekicking the trust funders currently at the top of the dsa and pushing it back into its mutual aid etc stuff? Because the DSA is in capture to the people who want it to stay a Democratic rump organization. We just saw how influential the bourgeois media is over the Democratic primary. Jacobin and other press organs hold the same level of sway in the microscopic US left. The scale is smaller but the phenomenon is the same.
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megalodong posted:what's to stop people votekicking the trust funders currently at the top of the dsa and pushing it back into its mutual aid etc stuff? Reforming the DSA into a long-term viable socialist party-organization would require a herculean effort and would probably blow it up in the process. There's a lot more that needs to be changed aside from expelling some national leadership.
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StashAugustine posted:Joe Biden 2020: Pretend The Train Is Moving
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i say we decide on someone to be our ron paul and start a cspam party (dibs on giving the 69420 Internationale opening remarks.)
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megalodong posted:what's to stop people votekicking the trust funders currently at the top of the dsa and pushing it back into its mutual aid etc stuff? Wasn’t that what supposedly happened in 2016?
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namesake posted:
Quoting this so I don't forget but Bernie has publically said that if he gets elected the real work will start that day, referring to the work of the people needing to keep going. Or maybe I'm imagining that
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:Reforming the DSA into a long-term viable socialist party-organization would require a herculean effort and would probably blow it up in the process. There's a lot more that needs to be changed aside from expelling some national leadership.
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I'm waiting for him to say anything substantial about what the "real work" entails. Maybe I missed it. It's probably an intentionally vague statement.
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I heard the DSA is on the wane anyway these days. just start your own sect or join one
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:they're about to be back to the bad old days when they were danny fetonte and his bowling team Inshallah
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