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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:Biden > Trump A Bad Poster posted:Biden would get worked by Donny in the general.
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Biden is also not going to address the corruption Trump fed on and spread, nor address the CBP/ICE abuses and the damage done to the EPA/FCC/etc. He's a status quo guy, and he'll likely continue to crappy cross aisle bipartisanship attempts that gave McConnell and the GOP all the power they could ever want.
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I guess I really should excuse myself from this debate again. I know I don't get the inner cultural workings of the US as a foreigner, despite understanding and being aware of all the electoral and campaigning issues we've discussed in here for the past 8 years or whatever. If the result of this election is that the country chooses Trump for a second time and the excuse is that "it was the other candidate's fault" again, there's nothing else to say, really.
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CommieGIR posted:Biden is also not going to address the corruption Trump fed on and spread, nor address the CBP/ICE abuses and the damage done to the EPA/FCC/etc. What makes you say that? He was behind quite a bit during the Obama administration. I was a Warren guy so I'm bummed but Biden would be ..... Wayyy better than Trump.
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bird cooch posted:Do y'all think it has ever been different? Hell, up to the last couple years it's generally been the best ever. Even now it's just kinda messy on a historical scale If I were to come up with a list of US presidents that were both competent and moral, it'd be a real short list.
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some of yall just want to feel better about the utterly awful poo poo we do
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Proud Christian Mom posted:some of yall just want to feel better about the utterly awful poo poo we do Looking it in the eye is really different than approval. golden bubble posted:If I were to come up with a list of US presidents that were both competent and moral, it'd be a real short list. and even that list would probably be false and based on incomplete history.
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bird cooch posted:What makes you say that? He was behind quite a bit during the Obama administration. I was a Warren guy so I'm bummed but Biden would be ..... Wayyy better than Trump. Better than Trump is a low, low bar to pass. Actually dealing with the gigantic turd Trump has laid and exposed in our country is significantly more difficult. If Biden is on the ticket come November, Biden is who will get my vote, but I'm under no pretense he's going to do anything to actually address issues.
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Mr. Nice! posted:The Obama/Biden administration started the family separation policy. They gave massive handouts to wallstreet and the insurance industry. Biden isn’t going to institute any kind of universal healthcare or other reform badly needed by the nation. A Biden presidency won’t be a rubber stamp like Trump, but huge parts of it will remain as they are today. A biden presidency will see cuts to social programs and the continued loving of the poor to billionaire’s benefit. The worst part about a Biden presidency is that it would all be under the guise of being """liberal""", so when that poo poo fails to do anything meaningful for lower class Americans, the backlash against anything left of Reagan will be even worse.
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Biden is the guy who sees the primary beneficiary of public policy as upper class white people in the suburbs, and screw anyone else. Keep the scary brown people away from our property values, let me keep my job as vice president of a HMO, help me send my two kids to a Ivy League school while keeping out the riffraf, make politics go back to the way it was in the first 4 seasons of the West Wing.
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As I like to call them,  libs. Closely associated with the LanyardLibs.
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re: Biden https://twitter.com/nachdermas/status/1235360516178141184
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This is shaping up to be Weekend at Bernie's: The campaign. It's going to come down to whether Biden's staff is good enough to cover up the weaknesses he has in front of a camera, and I'm not optimistic.
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Fister Roboto posted:The worst part about a Biden presidency is that it would all be under the guise of being """liberal""", so when that poo poo fails to do anything meaningful for lower class Americans, the backlash against anything left of Reagan will be even worse. I'm predicting a rightward swing so hard it'll make the boomers seem like the bunch of hippie activists they've spent the last half century desperately trying to portray themselves as look real.
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BigDave posted:Biden is the guy who sees the primary beneficiary of public policy as upper class white people in the suburbs, and screw anyone else. The deep gnawing fear I have that this primary is feeding is that this is the majority of the Democratic party, to say nothing of America as a whole. I'm in my 40's and up to Obama literally every president elected in my life had a "gently caress the poor" plank in their platform. I don't think the median Democrat wants a progressive candidate, and I don't know what to do about it. I guess the options are organizing at the local level and letting the national level just continue to get worse and worse until people come around but that feels like giving up.
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I’m glad we’ve all just accepted the fate of Biden being the nominee considering the amount of railroading and sandbagging Bernie got/is getting. I understand why the conversation has shifted but it sucks that the main thing being discussed isn’t how the deck has been stacked against Bernie again, especially since the primary isn’t even over yet.
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Notahippie posted:The deep gnawing fear I have that this primary is feeding is that this is the majority of the Democratic party, to say nothing of America as a whole. I'm in my 40's and up to Obama literally every president elected in my life had a "gently caress the poor" plank in their platform. I don't think the median Democrat wants a progressive candidate, and I don't know what to do about it. I guess the options are organizing at the local level and letting the national level just continue to get worse and worse until people come around but that feels like giving up. It's not giving up. Local politics is where real things happen, national politics is a circus.
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Mar 5, 2020 20:32
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Woofer posted:I understand why the conversation has shifted but it sucks that the main thing being discussed isn’t how the deck has been stacked against Bernie again since the primary isn’t even over yet. If you understood why the conversation has shifted, you would understand how that last part isn't reality. Yeah, it sucks that Bernie now has an uphill climb but that's because he couldn't get enough people to pull the lever for him in a ton of Super Tuesday states. I would love to have him as the nominee and I'll vote for him when Illinois has its primary but if more people turn out for Biden, that's how elections work.
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like there was definitely some voter suppression and fuckery but at the end of the day the kids didn't stop fortnite dancing
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good lord people The Obama administration wasn't great, and quite lovely in a lot of ways, but there are orders of magnitude of difference between Trump's administration and Obama's, as well as their legislative and executive priorities. I mean for gently caress's sake, right now we are living through a pandemic crisis where a lot of people are going to be infected and die because Trump shut down the pandemic response team started up by Obama. And let's not forget Trump using the Antiquities Act to try and reduce the size of Bears Ears and Grand Staircase to open them up to drilling, monuments Obama himself expanded. And there's pardons, which Trump used to help war criminals, politicians, and bankers, as opposed to Obama pardoning a huge number of people with drug offenses. Healthcare I shouldn't even need to get into—because as lacking as Obamacare is, it's still helped a huge number of people and is something Biden wants to expand, whereas Trump has flat-out tried to get rid of it. LGBT rights, which the Obama administration expanded and protected, and Trump has tried to shred and reduce (Like the ban on trans servicepeople) And even if their efforts were far, far less than what was needed, the Obama administration at least tried to address climate change, which the Trump Administration has not only ignored but outright accelerated. And this isn't even getting into the hordes of judges and political appointees who have spent their entire time in government trying to tear down the system from the inside. Biden isn't great, and I'd rather vote for Sanders. On climate change especially, he's woefully short. But Biden is better, far better, than the motherfucker who's in office right now who's trying to tear down every advancement this country has made since 1916. Let's not loving forget that.
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Notahippie posted:The deep gnawing fear I have that this primary is feeding is that this is the majority of the Democratic party, to say nothing of America as a whole. I'm in my 40's and up to Obama literally every president elected in my life had a "gently caress the poor" plank in their platform. I don't think the median Democrat wants a progressive candidate, and I don't know what to do about it. I guess the options are organizing at the local level and letting the national level just continue to get worse and worse until people come around but that feels like giving up. I really think it has to start from the ground up. People need to understand and be reconditioned at the local and state level to think that yes, things really can get better. Then once more progressives get into power you have a primary where the progressive voltron drops out and endorses the progressive frontrunner, not the situation we're in now. Although I also think this needed to start 30 years ago at minimum. e: At this point the goal of getting Biden into the white house is less about making things better and more about harm reduction.
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A lot of this makes more sense if you think of the West Wing generation vs House of Cards generation.
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FrozenVent posted:A lot of this makes more sense if you think of the West Wing generation vs
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piL posted:It's not giving up. Local politics is where real things happen, national politics is a circus. My neighborhood is up in arms about a privately run halfway house that’s funded by charities expanding, yet I’ll bet even the most vociferous critics would talk about ending the prison-industrial complex. NIMBY and FYGM go hand in hand.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:good lord people the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:good lord people you're right, of course. the big problem is that if radical changes aren't made soon, after 8 more years of barely vibrating the arrow towards the progressive side, the rage that people have from the massive inequality built into the current system will explode and elect trump 2.0, the competent fascist, and that will be the end of it. yes, of course biden would be better than trump; that's such a low bar to pass. but it's not going to be enough to simply pass a minor tax cut and barely expand ACA to keep the next republican POTUS from being a true nightmare because people are so loving angry with the status quo they'll vote in literally anyone who follows the trump playbook.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXDCUoC2QKQ
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brains posted:you're right, of course. the big problem is that if radical changes aren't made soon, after 8 more years of barely vibrating the arrow towards the progressive side, the rage that people have from the massive inequality built into the current system will explode and elect trump 2.0, the competent fascist, and that will be the end of it. yes, of course biden would be better than trump; that's such a low bar to pass. but it's not going to be enough to simply pass a minor tax cut and barely expand ACA to keep the next republican POTUS from being a true nightmare because people are so loving angry with the status quo they'll vote in literally anyone who follows the trump playbook. I am definitely in agreement here. If huge reforms aren't made, soon, we're hosed.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:My neighborhood is up in arms about a privately run halfway house that’s funded by charities expanding, yet I’ll bet even the most vociferous critics would talk about ending the prison-industrial complex. "This just isn't the kind of neighborhood for affordable housing! It would cause irreparable harm to the neighborhood's character and those people would be more comfortable around people like them." --White faux-progressive Boomers across America
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Defenestrategy posted:What's the argument against acceleration-ism again besides a bunch of people are gonna be hosed in the interim?
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civil rights women's rights gay rights none of those things happened quickly and I got to tell you that some of the people that enacted that stuff in the law or some pretty hosed up individuals. And then there was pushback and then it's settled into being the norm. Americans are loving goldfish. It's just the way most of this country is. If you get all up your own rear end online you start thinking that people just need to know. people don't want to know they don't want to be bothered they don't want to care and it's never been any different.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:good lord people Biden has basically said on many occasions that he intends to be a Republican in all but name. Including literally saying that he might choose a Republican VP. All that a Biden presidency would do is put the mask back on.
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Fister Roboto posted:Biden has basically said on many occasions that he intends to be a Republican in all but name. Including literally saying that he might choose a Republican VP. Biden/McConnell 2020
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BigDave posted:Biden/McConnell 2020 If I was a betting man I would legit put money on Biden/Romney.
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