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Len posted:Goons also have a conspiracy theory that From Dusk Till Dawn was supposed to be a heist movie until a shocking twist Midway through reveals vampires but it was ruined by marketing. I never heard the first one but that sounds far-fetched, yeah. The company had to know they needed to give it away a bit. I feel like if I didn't know loosely from trailers what FDtD was I would have walked the hell out of the theater. It was at the height of Tarantino fever and that's a huge shift in quality/tone if you're not down to enjoy some stupidity.
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The T2 spoiler talk got me thinking about Terminator Genisys, or however the gently caress you spell it. It wasn't good, but at the very least, they could have NOT shown John Connor being basically a T1000 in the loving trailer.
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Mar 5, 2020 14:28
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Len posted:They can never cite a source on that though, unlike Terminator 2 where they can cite a source saying Arnold as a good guy was supposed to be a twist that was ruined by marketing quote:The studio backing for "T2'''s wildly sophisticated and digital F/X therefore depends on Mr. Arnold Schwarzenegger agreeing to reprise his Terminator role. Now the ironies start to stack, though, because it turns out that Schwarzenegger -- or perhaps more accurately "Schwarzenegger, Inc.," or "Ahnodyne" -- has decided that playing any more malevolent cyborgs would compromise the Leading Man image his elite and bankable record of ROI entails. He will do the film only if "T2"'s script is somehow engineered to make the Terminator the Good Guy. Not only is this vain and stupid and shockingly ungrateful, it is also common popular knowledge, duly reported in both the trade and the popular entertainment media before "T2" even goes into production. There's consequently a weird postmodern tension to the way we watch the film; we're aware of what the bankable star's demands were, and we're also aware of how much the movie cost and how important bankable stars are to a big-budget movie; and so one of the few things that keeps us on the edge of our seats during the movie is our suspense about whether James Cameron can possibly weave a plausible, non-cheesy narrative that meets Schwarzenegger's career needs without betraying "T1"'s precedent.
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Mar 5, 2020 15:53
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What seems obvious to movie industry insiders and what seems obvious to the general public are two different things. For example, the former keep giving awards to Roman Polanski
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RandomFerret posted:What seems obvious to movie industry insiders and what seems obvious to the general public are two different things. "#1 Tween Sodomist" engraved on a tiny trophy.
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Mar 5, 2020 17:52
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i remember stumbling on from dusk till dawn on tv as a kid and my hair was blown the gently caress back by the twist. that twist was badass and really something special to genuinely experience also remember being dragged to see cast away and even as a kid, thinking everyone was dumb and that this was a waste of time when we had all seen the trailer and knew he gets off the island
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Mar 5, 2020 20:39
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God Hole posted:i remember stumbling on from dusk till dawn on tv as a kid and my hair was blown the gently caress back by the twist. that twist was badass and really something special to genuinely experience I have a Plex server with all my DVDs and Blu Rays ripped on it, and I change the descriptions to movies like From Dusk Til Dawn, Cabin in the Woods, and others to make sure that anyone who hasn't seen them isn't spoiled.
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Mar 5, 2020 21:38
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God Hole posted:i remember stumbling on from dusk till dawn on tv as a kid and my hair was blown the gently caress back by the twist. that twist was badass and really something special to genuinely experience I think this is an important thing to remember, that movies have a life long after the marketing and theatrical run is over. So a great twist can still be great regardless of marketing because some kid is gonna come along ten years later and watch the movie on t.v. without knowing what's gonna happen. With T2 it was just such a monster hit that you kinda figure it's made it into the public consciousness just by osmosis, people don't actually need to have seen it to know that Arnold is a good guy. But if I was showing a kid Terminator 1 and 2 for the first time, I'd be grateful to Cameron for crafting the movie the way he did because it's a great extra bonus if you're in the rare position to actually see the movie blind.
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Mar 5, 2020 21:55
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MichiganCubbie posted:I have a Plex server with all my DVDs and Blu Rays ripped on it, and I change the descriptions to movies like From Dusk Til Dawn, Cabin in the Woods, and others to make sure that anyone who hasn't seen them isn't spoiled. For a second I thought you meant swapping the info of both those movies and that'd be a good gag.
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God Hole posted:i remember stumbling on from dusk till dawn on tv as a kid and my hair was blown the gently caress back by the twist. that twist was badass and really something special to genuinely experience MichiganCubbie posted:I have a Plex server with all my DVDs and Blu Rays ripped on it, and I change the descriptions to movies like From Dusk Til Dawn, Cabin in the Woods, and others to make sure that anyone who hasn't seen them isn't spoiled. There is no twist in FDTD though?
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Mar 5, 2020 23:27
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Len posted:There is no twist in FDTD though? If you haven’t seen it and don’t notice the ominous box cover? People say Dark City is a good twist if you watch the right version or skip a sequence at the very beginning of the wrong one but never bothered to rewatch to see why.
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Mar 5, 2020 23:36
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Dark City isn't a twist but the first part of the movie is set up like a mystery and then they added a voiceover intro saying "okay folks so he's the deal"
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Mar 5, 2020 23:58
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BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:If you haven’t seen it and don’t notice the ominous box cover? It's because the original opener has a monologue that explains the entire plot of the movie.
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Mar 5, 2020 23:59
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BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:If you haven’t seen it and don’t notice the ominous box cover? So you mean "if you lived in a bubble and missed everything about this at all"? Because that's not really a twist. That would be like saying Godzilla is a twist if you know nothing about it because HOLY poo poo A GIANT MONSTER
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I think "Godzilla is a big monster" has a bit more cultural penetration than "From Dusk Till Dawn has vampires show up halfway through."
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Mar 6, 2020 00:04
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Cranston Godzilla does have exactly that twist.
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Len posted:So you mean "if you lived in a bubble and missed everything about this at all"? Because that's not really a twist. I’m one of the people who heard “Quentin Tarantino” in a movie and went to see it. Thought it was a crime movie like Reservoir Dogs or Pulp Fiction until all of a sudden vampires.
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Aphrodite posted:Cranston Godzilla does have exactly that twist. Which would have worked except they called the movie Godzilla
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BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:I’m one of the people who heard “Quentin Tarantino” in a movie and went to see it. Thought it was a crime movie like Reservoir Dogs or Pulp Fiction until all of a sudden vampires. Did you not see any of the marketing? That clearly advertised it and let you know what it was? And like I stated earlier in this thread goons have never been able to provide a source from Robert Rodriguez or Tarantino that the vampires were supposed to be a secret twist. Baron von Eevl posted:I think "Godzilla is a big monster" has a bit more cultural penetration than "From Dusk Till Dawn has vampires show up halfway through." It has enough of one that the psx survival horror game Countdown Vampires gave the main character the same tattoo Cloony had.
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It's not that, it's that the monster that appears at the beginning is not actually Godzilla. Godzilla is entirely the good guy.
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Aphrodite posted:It's not that, it's that the monster that appears at the beginning is not actually Godzilla. No poo poo? Didn’t they do that in a few of the Japanese films too?
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beanieson posted:No poo poo? Didn’t they do that in a few of the Japanese films too? Yes. In Japan.
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Len posted:Did you not see any of the marketing? That clearly advertised it and let you know what it was? And like I stated earlier in this thread goons have never been able to provide a source from Robert Rodriguez or Tarantino that the vampires were supposed to be a secret twist. I think that was implied 
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Len posted:Did you not see any of the marketing? That clearly advertised it and let you know what it was? And like I stated earlier in this thread goons have never been able to provide a source from Robert Rodriguez or Tarantino that the vampires were supposed to be a secret twist. its not that its a secret twist. its that tarantino does an extremely good job of making you forget its a vampire movie until vampires show up
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Len posted:Did you not see any of the marketing? Did you know that people who aren't you can have a totally different set of experiences than you and therefore have different knowledge sets and draw different conclusions? I mean your weirdly solipsistic arguments notwithstanding maybe you should perhaps look into Theory of Mind before you start anthropologically analyzing cultural phenomena with a sample size of one. I mean, uh. From Dusk 'til Dawn looked and is presented by its own text as a fairly straightforwardly Tarantino crime flick so if you didn't have it spoiled before you bought a ticket to see it with the money you made from your job back then, it might maybe make sense that the Robert Rodriguez half of the film could come as a bit of a surprise. That's subtle, right?
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 If you saw this poster, and it was your entire exposure to the movie's promotional material, you could really easily not realise it's a vampire movie. You know Rodriguez from El Mariachi and Desparado, you know Tarantino from Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction, OK there's bats on the poster, but there's no clues in the back catalogue of either of those dudes to say that this movie is going to go insane vampire bloodbath in the middle.
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I was full on Tarantino fanboy when Dusk Til Dawn came out and I didn't know there were going to be vampires. There was an internet to spoil it, but I must not have dialed up and visited Ain't it Cool News before calling Moviefone and getting the 411 on showtimes to the General Cinema. poo poo, AICN is still around.
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Casnorf posted:Did you know that people who aren't you can have a totally different set of experiences than you and therefore have different knowledge sets and draw different conclusions? Did you know goons have this view that the twist was spoiled by the marketing but have never been able to provide anything stating there was actually supposed to be a twist? Because that's a thing that goons believe. There's actual cited evidence from James Cameron that T2 having Arnold as the good guy was supposed to be a surprise. But per my original post that started this derail goons believe it's a shocking twist movie but at no point was that actually supposed to be a thing
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But if you don’t look up the marketing materials and buzz for this 20 year old movie before catching it on tv, it can be surprising due to the way it was set up. Which was their point.
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Memento posted:
I could've sworn the original trailer didn't spoil the vampire twist but I just watched it on YouTube and it's right there. I guess I missed the trailer when it first came out because I was blown away by the reveal.
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Len posted:Did you know goons have this view that the twist was spoiled by the marketing but have never been able to provide anything stating there was actually supposed to be a twist? Because that's a thing that goons believe. I do not believe the word "twist" or "subtle" mean what you think they mean. I mean, it's almost as if different experiences of the same events can be interpreted differently by different people with different frames of reference! You're getting hung up on authorial intent but in this case intent is largely irrelevant because expectation subversion and information recontextualization are necessarily subjective, and given the human perception that there are no privileged frames of reference you can write even the most obvious plot and someone, probably in this thread, will have their mind blown and rave about how easily missed it is. I bet if you yourself were more farsighted, you'd envy their experience rather than decrying their enjoyment. It's almost as if you feel some emotional need to put others down to feel as though you have anything to contribute at all. I am of course concerned for this observed behavior, as I personally would rather this thread maintain its generally positive outlook and enthusiasm for effort put into the entertainment we all so enjoy. Well, most of us, anyway. I was watching Into The Spider-Verse with a friend who hadn't seen it yet, and afterward we talked about the emotions it evoked and their relationship to them. In the process I mentioned the idea that Peter B is the Sam Raimi Spider-Man, and they laughed and said they'd picked up on that from almost his first scene. I was flabbergasted, because I'd only worked it out with help and deduction, and they said, "Oh, yeah: when he first glitches on-screen, for a frame or two his face is replaced with Tobey Maguire's." I have to admit, I've seen the movie a half dozen times and I never noticed that. Y'never know what people'll pick up on and what they'll miss. [edit: how could I miss that apostrophe! Real subtle, that one.] Casnorf has a new favorite as of 03:52 on Mar 6, 2020 |
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Len posted:It has enough of one that the psx survival horror game Countdown Vampires gave the main character the same tattoo Cloony had. Oh well, in that case it's clearly a major part of the modern cultural zeitgeist. Out of curiosity how popular do you think From Dusk Till Dawn is? Like, do you think if you went up to a person on the street and asked them, they would know? I feel like there's probably a lot of people who just caught it on TV or in another era rented it because they saw the VHS box and probably aren't familiar with the marketing materials from 24 years ago.
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Every person I've ever had recommend that movie to me irl goes "Len have you seen this crazy rear end vampire movie?" Down to the person who showed it to us as 16 year olds. Ive only treated like some secret twist on these forums and the argument. And I'm only familiar with the marketing of a movie that came out when I was 6 because I've tried to look up if the vampires were supposed to be secret or not quite a few times and haven't turned up anything. Edit: also popular enough to get a TV show remake and multiple movies
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christ, do we really have to go through this entire thing every single time From Dusk til Dawn is mentioned in this thread?
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Tom Cruise was selected as the lead for Top Gun due to unique characteristics he shared with Navy pilots. Namely that he’s short as hell, eats crayons, and is illiterate. What is not generally know is that these qualities are unique to Marine pilots and no one noticed the mistake until production had already started. By then it was too costly to make the needed changes and the movie moved forward as originally planned.
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Warbird posted:Tom Cruise was selected as the lead for Top Gun due to unique characteristics he shared with Navy pilots. Namely that he’s short as hell, eats crayons, and is illiterate. What is not generally know is that these qualities are unique to Marine pilots and no one noticed the mistake until production had already started. By then it was too costly to make the needed changes and the movie moved forward as originally planned. Are marine pilots also really comfortable with innuendo? I’m watching the documentary (yes I know it isn’t) Generation Kill and those marines can take or leave it. Although it’s set two decades later.
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the entirety of From Dusk Till Dawn was a con on Salma Hayek to get her to let Tarantino lick tequila off her toes
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Krankenstyle posted:the entirety of From Dusk Till Dawn was a con on Salma Hayek to get her to let Tarantino lick tequila off her toes oh gently caress I forgot all about that scene knowing what we know now that's naaaaaaaasty
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loving eats crayons. I couldn’t even read past that. LOL
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Len posted:Every person I've ever had recommend that movie to me irl goes "Len have you seen this crazy rear end vampire movie?" Down to the person who showed it to us as 16 year olds. Ive only treated like some secret twist on these forums and the argument. And I'm only familiar with the marketing of a movie that came out when I was 6 because I've tried to look up if the vampires were supposed to be secret or not quite a few times and haven't turned up anything. Dude, people said they didn't know and were surprised. How are you arguing that other people's literal life experiences didn't loving happen?
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