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Cpt_Obvious posted:Can someone explain what was meant by a moralist in the game? It went right over my head quote:Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. Centrism isn't change -- not even incremental change. It is *control*. Over yourself and the world. Exercise it. Look up at the sky, at the dark shapes of Coalition airships hanging there. Ask yourself: is there something sinister in moralism? And then answer: no. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth centrists who choose neutrality and status quo
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It's the game's word for neoliberals, OP
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Mar 6, 2020 19:35
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Can someone explain what was meant by a moralist in the game? It went right over my head Scandinavians
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Mar 6, 2020 19:36
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:centrists who choose neutrality and status quo By invasion and upheaval in favour of one specific side over all others!
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Mar 6, 2020 20:21
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Why the hell is opening the ice cream maker so hard? I have the right tool, unplugged it and everything!
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Mar 6, 2020 20:32
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Samovar posted:Why the hell is opening the ice cream maker so hard? I have the right tool, unplugged it and everything! You need a different tool. Come back later, someone will send you.
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Mar 6, 2020 20:44
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wiegieman posted:You need a different tool. Come back later, someone will send you. Nah, I had the same problem even with the right tool in my run, just a hard check and some bad rolls
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Mar 6, 2020 20:45
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why bother opening ice cream makers when you can honour yourself
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Mar 6, 2020 20:47
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:centrists who choose neutrality and status quo this description is incredible and i'm upset that i somehow missed it the first time through
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Mar 6, 2020 21:22
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you'd have had to internalise certain moralist thoughts, so it's probably for the best
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Mar 6, 2020 21:28
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Can someone explain what was meant by a moralist in the game? It went right over my head Democrats. Also what's behind your beliefs about her current employment? That strikes me as incorrect.
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Mar 6, 2020 21:37
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Mr. Prokosch posted:Democrats. Whose? Klassje? She claims to be a spy in hiding atm.
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Mar 6, 2020 22:11
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TommyGun85 posted:mainly her motives for doing what she did, but if you give me some time I will provide a list of her (and other's actions) which lead me to this conclusion. I'd be interested in reading this. It never occurred to me when I was playing that she might be in Evrart's employ, but it makes some sense now that you mention it. e: One of my favourite things about Disco Elysium is what a great job it does of making the world not revolve around the PC. You're just a pawn dropped into the middle of a power struggle much bigger than you and there's a lot going on behind the scenes you don't know about. Even the murder mystery that is the focus of the game is just another piece of a much bigger puzzle you'll never solve. Wafflecopper fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Mar 6, 2020 |
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Mar 6, 2020 23:07
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Calico Heart posted:Hello all. I run a tiny little Youtube channel and am considering making a video about disco Elysium, specifically how it tackles the concept of "Hauntology". Hello, post from January. How is this project going?
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Mar 6, 2020 23:27
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i passed the karaoke check and it was great and then i youtubed the failed check and had to close it one second after it started
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Mar 7, 2020 00:36
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Coward. Both results are glorious in their own way. Actually have to admit the use of voiced lines and the direction of them feels good throughout the game.
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Mar 7, 2020 02:45
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It honestly is interesting to read all the different takes re Klaasje. I still stand by arresting her being the right desicion though. While she did not cause the deaths directly and the option to arrest her appears before the main fallout happens (the Tribunal that is), she basically willlingly (or because she panicked, which honestly is stretching the definition of "panic" quite a bit) created a narrative that put three heavily armed and now uncontrollable monsters on a collision course with a bunch of completely unprepared and unsuspecting working-class people. I don't think this is too "moralist" or "cop-brain" to do the only thing in PC's power to stop her from causing more harm. I just feel horrible for Ruby though, and I'm super glad that I managed to stop from suiciding in my playthrough. There's a really cool thing that DE manages to pull off though, which I don't think I've experienced in games before. The way other characters sometimes manage to completely blindside not just the PC, but the player as well. In my playthrough I was quite successfully manipulated by Klaasje, sure, but Evrart's shenanigans completely blindsided me. I thought I was so smart playing Evrart and the Wild Pines exec, feeding them both info about each other, only to realise I'm basically doing what Evrart was nudging me towards. This sense of "You bastard!" I don't think I've ever felt towards a video game character before, and it's really cool that they managed to write it in a way that feels so true for both pc and me the player
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Mar 7, 2020 03:50
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Cpt_Obvious posted:i am basing her future actions on her past actions. I do not believe it is a distant leap to assume that the person responsible for multiple deaths over a long career of espionage will continue that pattern when there is no penalty for those actions. Why would she stop? Why would you? Nobody made you be a gently caress up loser addict for days and days and days at the beginning of the story, and some of the things you listed only happen if you don't do your loving job. By this logic you should kill yourself to save others the horror of your continued existence. Like people feeling bad for Ruby, she's a violent and paranoid drug dealer who is going to kill you and your partner because she's afraid you are mob goons here to kill her. She's no innocent. Doesn't mean it's a happy ending for her to kill herself. You fundamentally believe that people deserve forgiveness and understanding, or you don't. And considering who you play as, you'd probably hope everyone around you believes in those things too. Mulva fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Mar 7, 2020 |
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Mar 7, 2020 05:31
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Captain Splendid posted:I liked his VA apart from when he was pronouncing things in a notFrench accent. i noticed how artificial trant sounded, but to disco elysium's credit, it felt both plausible and hilarious that there would just be a guy around that sounds like that normally. especially one giving his kid a spiel about the history of a building like he's the voiceover in an educational video you'd watch at school. as for klaasje... the raphael ambrosius costeau i played handed her a station call slip. i figured she would obviously skip out on it, but shivers said (in la revacholiere CAPITAL LETTERS) a free/self-governed revachol was coming, where she presumably could face the music fairly without being quietly disappeared, and maybe it'll give her the time it needs for that to happen. i love you too city, i believe in you. plus afterwards, volition told me that showing mercy is rarely a complete mistake. V  V
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I love that there's no easy answer to this. Do you willingly submit yourself to being the instrument of someone's death, knowing that they probably deserve it, knowing that they basically knew what they were getting themselves into, knowing that they played themselves into a corner and are now basically begging for their life from what amounts to little more than a pawn in a much larger game, or do you let the path of destruction that she's created continue through your inaction, because looking someone in the eye and telling them you've decided that they're going to die is something you just can't bring yourself to do? Which choice will eat at your soul a little less? How do you justify it to yourself? It's a really good moment and kind of a testament to how amazing the writing in this game is.
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Mar 7, 2020 06:53
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Waltzing Along posted:I keep seeing people say they should have arrested K. I'm a bit confused by this. At the point you can arrest her, all you know is she was there when someone was shot and may have been involved with a cover-up. You know she isn't the murderer and you only have he said she said evidence on her role in the hanging. Cops are allowed to arrest criminals even in Revachol.
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Mar 7, 2020 07:12
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Southpaugh posted:At what point in the game does it say she was hired by evrart? Because I never got that. Also, the thread seems to be missing that being a cop is not a good thing. Cops in real life are mostly aforementioned bag men for capital. DE lets you live the fantasy of "being a good cop" like in a movie or a tv show or a video game. Not in real life. Same way the RCM existing at all is fantastical. Did you read the dialogue or just click through.
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Mar 7, 2020 07:19
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God speed Joopson AS Men's Fashion, model "Colourful Tie" catalogue number J327 aka: Beautiful Necktie. You were a true bratán.
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Mar 7, 2020 08:45
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Klassje has a sympathetic persona and never breaks character. In most media this type of character will eventually lose the mask and show what they are. Femme Fatales kill and she doesn’t directly kill anyone in this game.I also think she is a sociopath because of her ability to lie and manipulate. The bottom line is causing other innocent human beings to commit suicide is monstrous. That is what she has done and there’s no getting around it. Doesn’t matter if it’s Walmart or Telsa or Apple. She didn’t kill a CEO. Instead she ruins the lives of low level employees. Yep she’s a real hero in the fight against global capitalism. Slowly causing the workforce to commit suicide brilliant. Don’t forget to pay her either she is no communist or revolutionary. I’d rather her face a normal justice system with a trial. All the options are bad. She has a good chance of getting out of an RCM arrest. There is no objective information about the coalition. It’s possible she would get a trial and due process. She lies about everything so who knows. If it were just the events in DE agreed she isn’t worth arresting. The problem is she has done so much worse. Do not forget all the other bad things she has done have only been what she told us. Who knows what other terrible stuff she’s done that she hasn’t mentioned.
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Mar 7, 2020 11:59
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I think I may be having a problem with the game camera. Unless it’s focused, it seems to center with my character a bit towards the bottom left. Makes it hard to see ahead if I move in that direction. It persists through different areas. I found that scroll lock allows you to move the camera with the arrow keys, but it recent eras in the weird way after pushing it again.
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Mar 7, 2020 12:01
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Dr Christmas posted:I think I may be having a problem with the game camera. Unless it’s focused, it seems to center with my character a bit towards the bottom left. Makes it hard to see ahead if I move in that direction. It persists through different areas. Screen resolution problem?
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Mar 7, 2020 12:06
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Interesting that the moralist thought cabinet option, "Kingdom of Conscience" raises your logic and volition caps to 5, which feels a bit odd to me, the more appropriate effects are the learning debuff, -2 to halflight, and choosing moralist options after you've internalized it heals morale by 1.
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Mar 7, 2020 13:38
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If you have a hard time figuring out moralism, its because you're a centrist yourself.
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Mar 7, 2020 14:09
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Nosfereefer posted:If you have a hard time figuring out moralism, its because you're a centrist yourself. Sunday Friend: 
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Mar 7, 2020 14:18
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Pewdiepie posted:Did you read the dialogue or just click through. Did you completely misunderstand this game or just what I wrote?
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Mar 7, 2020 15:04
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DropsySufferer posted:The bottom line is causing other innocent human beings to commit suicide is monstrous. Cool, so when your character does that it makes you a monster?
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Mar 7, 2020 15:11
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Nosfereefer posted:If you have a hard time figuring out moralism, its because you're a centrist yourself. hey, i got what moralism was during my playthrough, the discussion about it in here made me look at the Kingdom of Conscience thought because I'd never seen it before and I was just thinking about how weird the bonuses were.
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Mar 7, 2020 15:27
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Imhotep posted:hey, i got what moralism was during my playthrough, the discussion about it in here made me look at the Kingdom of Conscience thought because I'd never seen it before and I was just thinking about how weird the bonuses were. how do you feel about price stability?
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Mar 7, 2020 16:51
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Southpaugh posted:Did you completely misunderstand this game or just what I wrote? I think I understand what you wrote better than you do. To summarize - cops aren't Judge Dredd. You assess evidence, and arrest a suspect if there is supporting evidence for a crime. From there on it is out of the cop's hands. That's what a good cop is. Anything else is a fundamental misunderstanding. If you let Klassje go, then your Harrier failed massively in his duty as a policeman.
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Pewdiepie posted:I think I understand what you wrote better than you do. To summarize - cops aren't Judge Dredd. You assess evidence, and arrest a suspect if there is supporting evidence for a crime. From there on it is out of the cop's hands. That's what a good cop is. Anything else is a fundamental misunderstanding. If you let Klassje go, then your Harrier failed massively in his duty as a policeman. So you misunderstood the game but in the opposite direction, got it.
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Mar 7, 2020 17:00
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:So you misunderstood the game but in the opposite direction, got it. Go ahead and explain.
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Mar 7, 2020 17:05
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Nosfereefer posted:If you have a hard time figuring out moralism, its because you're a centrist yourself. Random take I've put together: in-game there are frequent jokes about communism, fascism, and ultraliberalism pretending to be something less than they are- communists don't lead with "impale everyone with over 25 real" fascists pretend to be "traditionalists" and even liberals mask the libertarian dystopia with rhetoric about hustling and making it. But moralism seems to be inverted- it leads with its claimed ideology but that ideology is just a mask for the ruling class
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And again we swing round to "What is a Cop for?" Especially a detective rather than constable/patrol officer/whatever. These fundamental differences have long lasting effects. Even if there was a sudden change in policy and a massive re-training scheme, it's hard to imagine a world where the NYPD suddenly pivots to the methods the London Met use and it works. (Insert snark about methods of ingrained racism and corruption they probably already share on an institutional level.)
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Pewdiepie posted:I think I understand what you wrote better than you do. To summarize - cops aren't Judge Dredd. You assess evidence, and arrest a suspect if there is supporting evidence for a crime. From there on it is out of the cop's hands. That's what a good cop is. Anything else is a fundamental misunderstanding. If you let Klassje go, then your Harrier failed massively in his duty as a policeman. I'll chime in and say letting her go isnt a failure as a policeman, both in real life or in the context of how the citizen's militia works in this gameworld. That being said, I did try to arrest Garte for trying to make me pay the hostel bill because gently caress that guy.
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TommyGun85 posted:I'll chime in and say letting her go isnt a failure as a policeman, both in real life or in the context of how the citizen's militia works in this gameworld. Feel free to explain your reasons.
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