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WithoutTheFezOn: Aug 28, 2005; Oh no

That post zips me right back to college in the 80s. Every single computer engineering student had a copy of the K&R book.

The cover was blue lettering on a off-white background.

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xergm: Sep 8, 2009; The Moon is for Sissies!

Yup, I have a paper copy of it as well, though mine is more for the historical reference since I graduated in 2012.

It seems like that book is the only real reference I can find to historical C usage prior to ANSI standardization.

The early days of computing fascinate me; it really seems like the wild west in a lot of ways.

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3D Megadoodoo: Nov 25, 2010

xergm posted:

Yup, I have a paper copy of it as well, though mine is more for the historical reference since I graduated in 2012.

It seems like that book is the only real reference I can find to historical C usage prior to ANSI standardization.

The early days of computing fascinate me; it really seems like the wild west in a lot of ways.

Wasn't Turbo C not ANSI though?

# ? Mar 6, 2020 20:19

xergm: Sep 8, 2009; The Moon is for Sissies!

Jerry Cotton posted:

Wasn't Turbo C not ANSI though?

Wikipedia says the last version of Turbo C was 2.0, released in 1988. ANSI C was 1989, so yes.

I should clarify that I guess I meant pre-K&R C. Before ANSI, K&R was the de-facto reference as far as C standards go.
~~I would love to find some programming references that predate even that.~~ *See edit.

Wikipedia posted:

K&R introduced several language features:

Standard I/O library

long int data type

unsigned int data type

Compound assignment operators of the form =op (such as =-) were changed to the form op= (that is, -=) to remove the semantic ambiguity created by constructs such as i=-10, which had been interpreted as i =- 10 (decrement i by 10) instead of the possibly intended i = -10 (let i be -10).

As far as I can tell, stdio.h wasn't even a valid header before K&R.
The reading between the lines is that you were probably hardcoding I/O poo poo to the individual hardware back then, and interoperability was a laughable concept. This kind of touches on the wild west feeling I mentioned.

Edit:
After posting, I decided to travel down the rabbit hole and actually managed to find some neat stuff!

A Unix C Programmers for 6th Edition Unix from 1975.
https://www.bell-labs.com/usr/dmr/www/cman.pdf

I'm actually kind of impressed that Bell Labs keeps these PDFs around and that it's hosted on Dennis Ritchie's old user page.

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3D Megadoodoo: Nov 25, 2010

I remember reading K&R for the first time, and coming from a Real Language background (BASIC) thinking "wow this C thing literally can't do poo poo".

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WithoutTheFezOn: Aug 28, 2005; Oh no

Oh and the other part of that post, here�s a hat trick of obsolete: logging into a department PDP-11 and typing in your APL programming assignments on one of these bad boys

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Binary Badger: Oct 11, 2005; Trolling Link for a decade

Oh geez I think I remember having that hooked up to our school's IMSAIs / Altairs and playing Star Trek on one of those.. must've killed at least two or three trees per game.. "Ah, just turn it over and feed it back in! The other side's still good!"

Now when I was in the local ACM, we had these babies hooked up to our PDP-11..

Good old Lear Siegler ADM-3As! Of course we never actually used the left screw plate.. real men need to set DIP switches on the fly!

All those years wasted playing rogue and hack...

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Killingyouguy!: Sep 8, 2014

I took a c course in university (c.2015 I think) and needed a copy of k&r so I ordered one used on Amazon and ended up with a pre-ansi copy of it, not knowing there would be anything wrong with that.

What do you mean the return type of main isn't implicit >:(

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Pham Nuwen: Oct 30, 2010

Binary Badger posted:

Oh geez I think I remember having that hooked up to our school's IMSAIs / Altairs and playing Star Trek on one of those.. must've killed at least two or three trees per game.. "Ah, just turn it over and feed it back in! The other side's still good!"

Now when I was in the local ACM, we had these babies hooked up to our PDP-11..

Good old Lear Siegler ADM-3As! Of course we never actually used the left screw plate.. real men need to set DIP switches on the fly!

All those years wasted playing rogue and hack...

I owned one of these for a while, acquired for free from somebody in the San Francisco area. It was cool but had a terrible flyback transformer whine. I eventually gave it away to another Unix grognard who was too old to hear the whine.

A brief look at the ADM-3A's keyboard will give you some insight into the origin of vi's controls.

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3D Megadoodoo: Nov 25, 2010

Pham Nuwen posted:

A brief look at the ADM-3A's keyboard will give you some insight into vi's controls.

A basilisk keyboard? Science has gone too far.

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Arsenic Lupin: Apr 12, 2012; This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.

WithoutTheFezOn posted:

That post zips me right back to college in the 80s. Every single computer engineering student had a copy of the K&R book.

The cover was blue lettering on a off-white background.

(high-five of olds) I was taught out of K&P, too. ("Software Tools", by Kernighan and Plauger.) One of my commonest tasks in the computer room was explaining to people "No, that Tektronix is just in APL mode, hold on a sec and I'll put it back into regular mode."

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Weatherman: Jul 30, 2003; WARBLEKLONK

Arsenic Lupin posted:

(high-five of olds) I was taught out of K&P, too. ("Software Tools", by Kernighan and Plauger.) One of my commonest tasks in the computer room was explaining to people "No, that Tektronix is just in APL mode, hold on a sec and I'll put it back into regular mode."

this beat is teknotronix

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Code Jockey: Jan 24, 2006; 69420 basic bytes free

twistedmentat posted:

the "doot" noises on the tape

Haha oh my god

I haven't thought of that in like 20 years and immediately it comes back to me

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twistedmentat: Nov 21, 2003; Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Code Jockey posted:

Haha oh my god

I haven't thought of that in like 20 years and immediately it comes back to me

Yea that's one of this 70s/80s kid things. Then you have the times when the tape is missing and a student had to read out the narration.

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Pastry of the Year: Apr 12, 2013

speaking of "doot noises on tapes," one thing I remember is how some of the cassettes I owned had a series of tones at the very beginning and end of them � I was able to find this spot-on remake of them that some kind soul produced and uploaded back in the far-flung year of 2006

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namlosh: Feb 11, 2014; I name this haircut "The Sad Rhino".

Pham Nuwen posted:

A brief look at the ADM-3A's keyboard will give you some insight into the origin of vi's controls.

Oh my god, looking at that picture up close, this makes so much sense. Two-fingered typers on that keyboard would of course come up with VI.
I�m reminded of my dad using ctrl- and shift- insert for copy paste, which I admit I do sometimes in a terminal too.

Mind blown

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Dick Trauma: Nov 30, 2007; God damn it, you've got to be kind.

Pastry of the Year posted:

speaking of "doot noises on tapes," one thing I remember is how some of the cassettes I owned had a series of tones at the very beginning and end of them � I was able to find this spot-on remake of them that some kind soul produced and uploaded back in the far-flung year of 2006

I knew what that was going to be before I clicked on it! :corsair:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjbhsFbvBUg

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Humphreys: Jan 26, 2013; We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule

I found this at a pawn shop advertised for $40AUD and lied that I can get it for $25AUD new. poo poo shop countered with $19AUD.

I do have my launch day PS4 at a firmware on 5.05 so it has a use

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Nocheez: Sep 5, 2000; Can you spare a little cheddar?; Nap Ghost

I'm quarantined and have nothing else to do, tell me what the gently caress that is and what you're going to do with it.

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F4rt5: May 20, 2006

Nocheez posted:

I'm quarantined and have nothing else to do, tell me what the gently caress that is and what you're going to do with it.

Seconded!

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3D Megadoodoo: Nov 25, 2010

Humphreys posted:

I found this at a pawn shop advertised for $40AUD and lied that I can get it for $25AUD new. poo poo shop countered with $19AUD.

I do have my launch day PS4 at a firmware on 5.05 so it has a use

That's the biggest stapler I've ever seen!

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SCheeseman: Apr 23, 2003

Humphreys posted:

I found this at a pawn shop advertised for $40AUD and lied that I can get it for $25AUD new. poo poo shop countered with $19AUD.

I do have my launch day PS4 at a firmware on 5.05 so it has a use

Chomp

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Humphreys: Jan 26, 2013; We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule

Nocheez posted:

I'm quarantined and have nothing else to do, tell me what the gently caress that is and what you're going to do with it.

PS4s have a 2.5in HDD normally. To get more capacity you are limited to 2TB due to physical height of the drives. This frankenstein is an interposer board for the SATA and breaks it out for a 3.5in HDD. So now I can have a 6TB drive with all my 'backups'

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Code Jockey: Jan 24, 2006; 69420 basic bytes free

Humphreys posted:

I do have my launch day PS4 at a firmware on 5.05 so it has a use

Lucky you. I was stupid and updated my 5.something PS4 to 6.20 a while back, and now I'm checking every few days to see if an exploit has been released. I want to play my legit copy of Yakuza 5 remastered, but I also don't want to update again and lose out on another exploit. :smith:

There isn't really anything I want to :filez:

for it even, and I think I own physical copies of most stuff I want to own for it, I just like hacking all of my poo poo. v :shobon:

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Humphreys: Jan 26, 2013; We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule

Code Jockey posted:

Lucky you. I was stupid and updated my 5.something PS4 to 6.20 a while back, and now I'm checking every few days to see if an exploit has been released. I want to play my legit copy of Yakuza 5 remastered, but I also don't want to update again and lose out on another exploit.

There isn't really anything I want to for it even, and I think I own physical copies of most stuff I want to own for it, I just like hacking all of my poo poo. vv

You are like me. I take more enjoyment in the modding. Currently soldering an RGH 1.2 mod on a Xbox360 for shits and giggles. I have 2 more 360s already modded that Idon't touch. And don't get me started on having 5 original XBoxese that I decided to mod in different ways ranging from a softmod to various chips to a full RAM upgrade.

Did the 50/60Hz and language mods for my Mega Drvies last week and yesterday finished replacing all the capacitors on my Panasonic 3DO.

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3D Megadoodoo: Nov 25, 2010

If someone could mod my Microsoft Xbox 360 home computer system's power brick so it wasn't so god drat loud that would be great.

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Humphreys: Jan 26, 2013; We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule

3D Megadoodoo posted:

If someone could mod my Microsoft Xbox home computer system's power brick so it wasn't so god drat loud that would be great.

Your what?

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3D Megadoodoo: Nov 25, 2010

Humphreys posted:

Your what?

Oh gently caress I meant the Microsoft Xbox 360 home computer system.

Already modded the Xbox with a quieter fan :mmmhmm:

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Lowen SoDium: Jun 5, 2003; Highen Fiber; Clapping Larry

Humphreys posted:

And don't get me started on having 5 original XBoxese that I decided to mod in different ways ranging from a softmod to various chips to a full RAM upgrade.

I remember that there was a company that did the RAM upgrade and would also replace the CPU with a real Pentium 3 chip. It doubled the clock speed and improved the cache over the not-exactly-a-celeron CPU that the Xbox came with.

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Humphreys: Jan 26, 2013; We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule

Lowen SoDium posted:

I remember that there was a company that did the RAM upgrade and would also replace the CPU with a real Pentium 3 chip. It doubled the clock speed and improved the cache over the not-exactly-a-celeron CPU that the Xbox came with.

Yeah I'd love one of those, but the RAM upgrade is enough to get some unreleased stuff up and running like the Starcraft Ghost dev code.

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