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Actually since i have a little bit of time here are some BRIEF!!! highlightsquote:
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drat good poo poo
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I appreciate Politzer for the way he hammers a few key points about dialectical philosophy over and over again until the reader is forced to have a breakthrough. I have some criticisms of the book but they don't really matter because he does that one thing extremely well. Anyone has tried and failed to grasp dialectics at a basic level needs to read him. PDF here.
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Algund Eenboom posted:Actually since i have a little bit of time here are some BRIEF!!! highlights Thank you for this! Though I uhhh can't help but feel a little deju vu because of how much this sounds like my industrial engineering text books. I assume that comes from the fact IE is all about ~systems~ and well dialetics, marxism, etc is about those too?
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Prince Myshkin posted:If I had time I'd do a "Let's Read Lenin" thread going through the Big Four texts chapter by chapter. I don't even know what's considered Lenin's Big Four aside from State and Revolution (the only long Lenin work I've read), so I would appreciate this thread.
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:I appreciate Politzer for the way he hammers a few key points about dialectical philosophy over and over again until the reader is forced to have a breakthrough. I have some criticisms of the book but they don't really matter because he does that one thing extremely well. Anyone has tried and failed to grasp dialectics at a basic level needs to read him. Looks like that’s only available as a PDF but having almost any text available in ePub format from that site has helped my reading considerably.
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:I don't even know what's considered Lenin's Big Four aside from State and Revolution (the only long Lenin work I've read), so I would appreciate this thread. I’m going to guess: Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism State and Revolution What is to be Done Left Communism
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Imperialism is a genuinely great read and a lot of the analysis still feels extremely applicable to the modern world (since trends Lenin identifies have only become more pronounced). It describes the operations of capitalism very clearly and succinctly.
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my favorite part of Imperialism is lenin citing totally orthodox liberal economists who are straightforwardly coming to the same conclusions he is
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https://twitter.com/Ibu_Ala_Ina98/status/1236468680059318274
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Ferrinus posted:my favorite part of Imperialism is lenin citing totally orthodox liberal economists who are straightforwardly coming to the same conclusions he is similarly huge chunks of marx's paris manuscripts are just approving block quotes of adam smith
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Centrist Committee posted:I’m going to guess: Three out of four. Toss-up between Left-Wing Communism: An Infantile Disorder and The Development of Capitalism in Russia.
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Left-Wing Communism: Baby-Brained Simping
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Reading some articles on the notes of Eugene Varga about Stalin-era USSR here ("Series on the Soviet Union") and they uncover a lot of interesting stuff about the economic relations for how short they are. Like, on paper there was a ~30x income differentiation for state employees, which seems roughly justified at the time to stem brain drain and so on. But to combat the party becoming filled with seekers of individual privilege, very early on a rule had been established that Party members would have to relinquish 90% of what they earned above about 4-7 times the minimum to the Party. So in theory, people would have to choose between economic privileges and direct political power. Party members also immediately began to skirt the idea by getting the state to give out tons of stuff to them for free, at the top bourgeois as gently caress lifestyles that would put today's multimillionaires in shame. But eventually they also not only got rid of that rule about their incomes, but erased it from history to the best of their ability so as to not reveal there having been such a blatant betrayal of principles. The articles deal with the question of when these people ceased to be a privileged stratum and became a class. As far as I can tell, they got really good at maneuvering around Stalin who was ultimately blind to threats coming from within the party so long as they didn't threaten his position at the top, but did have reason to fear for their lives because Stalin hated them on a moral level because like Lenin, he believed in a sort of communist asceticism. But for instance, it sounds like they showered him with gifts he didn't have it in him to refuse so that their lifestyles would look less dissimilar and he would be disarmed by... some kind of shame expressing itself as impotent rage?
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Don't forget that, as far as I can tell, stalin was extremely drunk a lot after ww2
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I find it somewhat funny how much emphasis the writer puts on the difference between stratum and class without getting very into the practical side that would really shine a light on the depth of the mistakes. As you know, class for marxists is relation to the means of production. But as should be obvious, that relation is not in itself enough to explain an individual's level of social privilege adequately enough to determine hard, common interests for all the individuals that the class is composed of. The class is something other than just the people that are part of it. The concept of the stratum was developed to describe faultlines within the class for the purposes of practical organizing. For example, landless peasants, landed peasants and labor-employing peasants had very different levels of attachment to the tsarist, liberal and socialist movements in Russia. But there was always an acute awareness that the kulak stratum was a stratum that sought to develop into a capitalist bourgeoisie when old feudal system stopped holding it back. Calling the party functionaries a privileged stratum of the proletariat is more or less calling them a labor aristocracy. The labor aristocracy develops out of necessity when the working class organizes itself: they find themselves in need of workers who aren't labor for capitalists anymore but instead professional organizers, politicians, negotiators, accountants, lawyers and so on. And in the articles the idea is extended to management on the conditions that the production is at least indirectly worker-controlled and it's principally composed of regular workers that were raised up into those positions. Which seems conceptually fine to me if you think of, for instance, an expanding worker co-op that develops a level of hierarchy. But, leninism literally arose in the horrible realization of a rift that had formed between workers and their representatives and a connection that had been formed between those representatives and the bourgeoisie. And it's not like it wasn't also being demonstrated how these representatives could become subservient managers for companies ran on a capitalist basis. Basically, the rift between the sense of urgency directed toward the kulaks and that directed toward the managers is ridiculous and can only be explained by incredible ideological backflips. (The leap from stratum to class is the development of a concrete class antagonism in relations of production. Peasants used to work for the kulak because it was better than the alternatives afforded to them by the system, but when the kulak becomes bourgeois, they have begun actively destroying alternatives to themselves and driving down the livelihoods of the lower peasants so that they can have more landless workers to feed their capital. The labor aristocracy is formed by the workers because it's better for them than not having one, but when the labor aristocrats become bourgeois, they have begun driving down the livelihoods of the workers that raised them up in order to feed their collective capital.) uncop fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Mar 8, 2020 |
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StashAugustine posted:similarly huge chunks of marx's paris manuscripts are just approving block quotes of adam smith economists abandoning the labour theory of value as soon as marx used it to critique capitalism, after everyone was on board with adam smith and ricardo using it
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# ? Mar 8, 2020 17:21 |
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yall right now: https://twitter.com/tjmcnab/status/1236715267222355969
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# ? Mar 8, 2020 19:49 |
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breadtube is all you need, anything beyond that is an unhealthy BDSM lifestyle expressed through forcing oneself to read terribly written books to make your brain suffer. Which, y'know, if that's your kink, just don't gatekeep over it. Signed, a wisdomphile. (philosopher)
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Happy International Women’s Day
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shut up jeb
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You gotta let me have one a year
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this is still really good and makes me laugh every time
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Jewel Repetition posted:You gotta let me have one a year no one has to let you do anything
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A Big Fuckin Hornet posted:shut up jeb
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T-man posted:breadtube is all you need, anything beyond that is an unhealthy BDSM lifestyle expressed through forcing oneself to read terribly written books to make your brain suffer. Which, y'know, if that's your kink, just don't gatekeep over it. more like signed a dumbass you freakin idiot
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I'm sorry I insulted your fetish swimsuit
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T-man posted:I'm sorry I insulted your fetish swimsuit this is the part where i try to be a mensch and let you know that you're making a fool of yourself and should probably stop two posts ago
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counterpoint: red text
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Homeless Friend posted:counterpoint: red text may i succeed where others failed
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# ? Mar 9, 2020 04:51 |
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theory is just pretending you have friends by reading some dead sex pest and agreeing with him. get some self confidence and make your own ideology. Marx wasn't a marxist and that's why generations of volcel academics waste their lives studying his drunken rambling. this holds true for any field or scientific endeavour as well, stop letting ben "farts" franklin decide what electrical schematics look like
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# ? Mar 9, 2020 04:59 |
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Someone post that "units of measurement are bourgeois" take
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# ? Mar 9, 2020 05:34 |
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You gotta be a huge loving loser to watch a YouTube book report
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# ? Mar 9, 2020 05:42 |
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Welcome to something awful
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And proud of it
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Did someone just buy me this av??? Thanks, it's great.
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A Big Fuckin Hornet posted:shut up jeb
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:Did someone just buy me this av??? Thanks, it's great. redistribution
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When you control the AVs... you control information.
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